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Not so sure. Dow Jones dipped under 12000 today. If we enforce a "no fly zone" in libya that would almost be like entering another war. Obama really has some tough decisions to make.

There is a lot of unrest going on in the middle east. Gas prices are going to continue to go up.

Why does the world and the middle east always look towards the USA to solve all of it's problems? Shoud we sit this one out? What would THAT look like?
 
China is not about to do anything that would decrease US consumption of Chinese goods. If/when Chinese domestic consumption is adequate to maintain employment in their population, they can worry about US debt being a bad investment. Until then, they have to send dollars back to the US somehow, so we can spend them again. We won't let them buy up too much US property or companies, so buying debt is the only way to keep the cycle going. Right?

The problem for China is we aren't purchasing their goods; they are practically giving them away to us in the biggest Ponzi scheme in the history of the world. I don't agree with the usual mentality regarding jobs and employment. The purpose of jobs are to better your standard of living; not just to have full employment. The Chinese would have a better standard of living keeping the stuff they make instead of giving it away to us basically for debt we can't pay back.

Besides, we have already exhausted China's ability and/or will to float our debt. The FED is currently purchasing 70% of all new debt.
 
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I'm gonna go out on a crazy limb and predict that in 2011 we see modest growth in the US economy, we keep adding private sector jobs, inflation and interest increase at a desirable rate, and the US does not default on its debt. Crazy, right?

You are quite possibly right because of the silly way we measure economic growth. We ignore the trillions and trillions of dollars deeper in the hole we go just to say "we are growing." Would you say my personal economy is doing fantastic if I borrowed a million dollars and blew it all upgrading my house, cars, clothes, and travel? Balance the budget and stop bailing out failed businesses, and watch shortterm where all that imaginary growth goes; right out the window. But that would be the only way to begin getting true longterm growth. Presently we are just digging that hole deeper.
 
The problem for China is we aren't purchasing their goods; they are basically giving them away to us in the biggest Ponzi scheme in the history of the world. I don't agree with the Keynesian liberal mentality regarding jobs and employment. The purpose of jobs are to better your standard of living; not just to have full employment. The Chinese would have a better standard of living keeping the stuff they make instead of giving it away to us basically for free.

The people calling the shots in China don't give a rat's ass about the peasants' standard of living. They never have.

China's problems go way beyond their symbiotic economic ties to an overconsuming debtor nation. They've got their own set of self-inflicted brewing catastrophes, and frankly, I'd rather have our problems than theirs.
 
I'm gonna go out on a crazy limb and predict that in 2011 we see modest growth in the US economy, we keep adding private sector jobs, inflation and interest increase at a desirable rate, and the US does not default on its debt. Crazy, right?

The US won't default on its debt - at least not anytime soon. Defaulting on debt would mean immediate collapse of the financial system, and we're not deep enough in the red for that to be a consideration. As far as modest growth and inflation, it'll depend on what metric you use to measure these parameters. The government is claiming modest inflation right now, but those numbers are as trustworthy as Saudi's self-reported crude reserves. I don't see inflation going down in 2011, especially with additional unrest in the ME. Everything will also depend on where the Fed goes from here... stop QE dead in its tracks or go on with QE3. All in all, I think predicting a turnaround in our economy is pretty low on my likelihood barometer. And private jobs can't just pop up like weeds like government jobs with simple policies here and there. Real organic growth takes some time and the perfect economic and political conditions.
 
The people calling the shots in China don't give a rat's ass about the peasants' standard of living. They never have.

China's problems go way beyond their symbiotic economic ties to an overconsuming debtor nation. They've got their own set of self-inflicted brewing catastrophes, and frankly, I'd rather have our problems than theirs.

I'd rather have our problems too, but I don't feel encouraged about our ability to climb out of them. In a vacuum, our problems would be easier to solve, but in the real world of democratic rule, it becomes far more difficult. China is definitely in bind with their seemingly out of control inflation and ridiculous real estate bubble, but the fact that their government isn't directly subject to popular rule might be an advantage to them, barring any collapse in societal norms. Sure, the central government probably doesn't care about lifting their lower class into the middle class any time soon, but they are still mortally afraid of rampant inflation - the revolution maker. As someone said earlier, societal collapse is but a few missed meals away.
 
You are quite possibly right because of the silly way we measure economic growth. We ignore the trillions and trillions of dollars deeper in the hole we go just to say "we are growing." Would you say my personal economy is doing fantastic if I borrowed a million dollars and blew it all upgrading my house, cars, clothes, and travel? Balance the budget and stop bailing out failed businesses, and watch shortterm where all that imaginary growth goes; right out the window. But that would be the only way to begin getting true longterm growth. Presently we are just digging that hole deeper.


If you jump out of a 90 story building, it is possible to believe that you are flying for the first 89 stories down.
 
If for no other reason than earthquakes and hurricanes exist. If you'd rather count on FEMA, that's up to you. Perhaps I'll see you on TV at the Superdome.

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Apocalyptic scenerio is playing out in Japan. They are sturggling for food and water now. Eye opening.

Big blow to Japan. Their national debt is one of the highest in the world and now they are faced with possioble nuclear meltdown + cost to clean up and to rebuild.
 
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Apocalyptic scenerio is playing out in Japan. They are sturggling for food and water now. Eye opening.

Big blow to Japan. Their national debt is one of the highest in the world and now they are faced with possioble nuclear meltdown + cost to clean up and to rebuild.

Is it just me or did they built their nuclear power plants right on top of the Pacific fire ring? 😱
 
Is it just me or did they built their nuclear power plants right on top of the Pacific fire ring? 😱

Where else are they going to put them? All of Japan is on a fault.


Meh.

These are sad days for nuclear power. Everyone who was irrationally opposed to building more nuclear plants last week is now twice as smug and three times as ignorantly opposed.

I get the feeling those "green" people are hoping for a Chernobyl-esque disaster so they can put more nails in nuclear power's coffin.
 
Where else are they going to put them? All of Japan is on a fault.


Meh.

These are sad days for nuclear power. Everyone who was irrationally opposed to building more nuclear plants last week is now twice as smug and three times as ignorantly opposed.

I get the feeling those "green" people are hoping for a Chernobyl-esque disaster so they can put more nails in nuclear power's coffin.

I have always been pro nuke. Now I have serious doubts. Maybe the granola eaters might be right about something for a change? The "**** happens" argument just got a big shot in the arm IMO. If this **** can happen couldn't other equally bad **** happen to non earthquake prone areas? Doesn't this give you pause?
 
I have always been pro nuke. Now I have serious doubts. Maybe the granola eaters might be right about something for a change? The "**** happens" argument just got a big shot in the arm IMO. If this **** can happen couldn't other equally bad **** happen to non earthquake prone areas? Doesn't this give you pause?

What happened? The containment building of a 40+ year old reactor worked? This isn't a Chernobyl. It may not even be a TMI. Objectively, step back - there has been minimal release of anything radioactive.

After an 8.9 earthquake and tsunami, this is a testament to the safety of nuclear power.

How about the risk of coal fired plants, which dump uranium and other pollutants into the atmosphere as part of their normal operation? The price in blood and treasure and pollution we pay for non-nuclear power?

Burning black stuff, whether coal or oil, is only cheap and safe because of the way we externalize the costs and dilute the pollution. The fact is that we need energy, and nuclear is far and away the cleanest and safest practical source. Solar/wind aren't there yet.
 
The fact is that we need energy, and nuclear is far and away the cleanest and safest practical source.

I agree. I bet nukular energy is every bit as safe as deep-water drilling in the Gulf!!... Ok, hold a sec; maybe I didn't help my cause with that comparison.
 
I have always been pro nuke. Now I have serious doubts. Maybe the granola eaters might be right about something for a change? The "**** happens" argument just got a big shot in the arm IMO. If this **** can happen couldn't other equally bad **** happen to non earthquake prone areas? Doesn't this give you pause?

Things are looking much worse now with problems at all 4 reactors and further, more significant, radiation release. The crisis will teach us a valuable lesson about safety, etc. and will make our reactors safer. However it will almost certainly set back plans to expand nuclear energy dramatically, further increasing our dependence on foreign oil, etc.
One thing I find fascinating is the level of civility present in Japan in the face of the ongoing disaster with limited resources, etc. I could definitely live there. Society begins to break down here when the home team loses in the playoffs.
 
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Things are looking much worse now with problems at all 4 reactors and further, more significant, radiation release. The crisis will teach us a valuable lesson about safety, etc. and will make our reactors safer. However it will almost certainly set back plans to expand nuclear energy dramatically, further increasing our dependence on foreign oil, etc.
One thing I find fascinating is the level of civility present in Japan in the face of the ongoing disaster with limited resources, etc. I could definitely live there. Society begins to break down here when the home team loses in the playoffs.

This is interesting. While I generally don't give to much credo to some of the mainstream media "experts", but one such analyst was giving an explanation as to why this is the case. He mentioned the "tribalism" of many Asian societies (thus coming together versus breaking down as you mention), and an educated populace. I would agree that these are important factors.

Recently, some have mentioned Katrina and the LA riots as counterexamples to illustrate our own "faults" (no pun intended). I wonder if our fragile society could "Balkanize" in the face of a similar disaster? Or, even just a prolonged crisis? I guess anything is possible, but is it probable?
 
Things are looking much worse now with problems at all 4 reactors and further, more significant, radiation release.

Is it really significant?

As far as I can tell, no long-lived isotopes have been released. It's all steam/hydrogen from the BWR.

Of course, the media is all over it; CNN is breathlessly gushing about radiation release and in the very next sentence commenting on how American "jets" dropped nuclear bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. But there's no evidence that the earth has been or will be salted with nukuler poison. The news uses the word "radiation" as if some gamma rays or tritium nearby is comparable to cesium and cobalt being sprinkled over a 30 km circle.

This is no Chernobyl. TMI never had any credibly documented human health effects.

Don't get me wrong; it's a disaster all right, and it's not over. But is it a bigger disaster than the Deepwater Horizon? The Kuwait oil fires? The decades of US-mideast foreign policy since the 1973 oil embargo? The Exxon Valdez?


One thing I find fascinating is the level of civility present in Japan in the face of the ongoing disaster with limited resources, etc. I could definitely live there. Society begins to break down here when the home team loses in the playoffs.

I agree it's fascinating, but not surprising. Japan has an ethnically homogenous society and deep cultural roots in discipline and obedience. There's enough of the 'other' here in the US that I wouldn't hope for the same.


It is kind of distantly embarrassing to see their level of preparation and calm. We had a week's notice for Katrina and managed to bone it up anyway.
 
Where else are they going to put them? All of Japan is on a fault.
I thought the western side might be a bit safer...?
I agree with you that nuclear is clearly a very safe and clean. Although the level of technology to transform energy into electricity is still embarrassingly basic (water vapor) and loses 60% of the energy created... (this is true for other combustibles)
 
I thought the western side might be a bit safer...?

Maybe, I don't know. I just figured the whole batch of islands was at more-or-less high risk. Japan's small enough east-west that one would think transmission losses wouldn't be too bad.

But I bet build location had more to do with NIMBYism than rational risk assessment.

I agree with you that nuclear is clearly a very safe and clean. Although the level of technology to transform energy into electricity is still embarrassingly basic (water vapor) and loses 60% of the energy created... (this is true for other combustibles)

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The irony is that the anti-nuclear people effectively put a build moratorium on nuclear plants in the US, so instead of continuously improving and opening new/safer plants we're stuck with a bunch of decades-old models. Presumably modernized to some extent.
 
Obama blowing smoke.... again. Love how he opened up alienating himself from "those" who got us into today's national debt. Geesh.
 
The clowns squabble over 30 billion dollars of cuts (chump change) and call it "historic," S & P downgraded the long term future of our government debt to negative, and gold is on the 1500 doorstep. This is not pretty.

Don't count me in the gold bubble camp. Will gold have huge pullbacks from time to time? Yes. But about the only way the dollar rockets in value (causing a true gold collapse) is to reduce debt (debt, not just deficit) requiring massive spending and entitlement cuts, causing massive public pain and a huge economic downfall in the short-term (because we basically have no economy; it's just living off of a credit card). Despite needing to do this, I don't see the politically will for it, and I don't see the public behaving with honor like Japan and being civilized through it. We are currently talking chump change baby cuts and people are already losing their minds as it is.

When push comes to shove politicians of both parties take the easy way out, and spend, and cut taxes, and print the difference, and devalue the dollar.
 
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The clowns squabble over 30 billion dollars of cuts (chump change) and call it "historic," S & P downgraded the long term future of our government debt to negative, and gold is on the 1500 doorstep. This is not pretty.

Don't count me in the gold bubble camp. Will gold have huge pullbacks from time to time? Yes. But about the only way the dollar rockets in value (causing a true gold collapse) is to reduce debt (debt, not just deficit) requiring massive spending and entitlement cuts, causing massive public pain and a huge economic downfall in the short-term (because we basically have no economy; it's just living off of a credit card). Despite needing to do this, I don't see the politically will for it, and I don't see the public behaving with honor like Japan and being civilized through it. We are currently talking chump change baby cuts and people are already losing their minds as it is.

When push comes to shove politicians of both parties take the easy way out, and spend, and cut taxes, and print the difference, and devalue the dollar.

Repubs made the calculated decision not to shut down the gov over chump change. The real battle, where they have more cards to play is with the debt ceiling negotiations. If they can't extract cuts from the ostrich democrats with that bill, then we are in trouble.
 
Anyone want to vomit over the latest government smoke and mirrors? Then read the following:

"I've seen a lot of accounting smoke and mirrors in my day in government, but this was beyond the pale," said David Stockman, my guest on Daily Ticker. "There was nothing real and substantive that actually cuts something and saves a dollar in the whole thing. I calculated, the cash reduction might be a couple of billion dollars."
Stockman knows his way around the budget process. A foot-soldier in the Reagan revolution, he was the youthful director of the Office of Management and Budget during Reagan's first term, and became disillusioned with supply-side economics and the policies that paired large tax cuts and large deficits. His Washington misadventures were chronicled in William Greider's classic The Education of David Stockman and in a memoir, The Triumph of Politics. Stockman spent several years as an investment banker at the Blackstone Group before starting his own investment fund, Heartland Industrial Partners, which invested in manufacturing companies in the Midwest.
When Stockman looks at Washington today, he sees the same type of misdirection, fuzzy math, and only-in-Washington accounting that he saw in the 1980s. The Congressional Budget Office found that the actual reduction is about $352 million. The flim-flammery, Stockman says, arises from the difference between cutting actual spending and cutting spending authorization.
Among the gimmicks: the deal reduced "spending" for the Census by $6 billion. "The problem is that happened last year, and it's over," said Stockman. " They didn't save a dime. It was a placeholder in the continuing resolution." Several billion dollars were cut from defense military construction "when the defense department didn't even ask for the money." The agreement claimed $5 billion in savings from capping expenditures in a fund for crime victims. "But the program only spends $750 million annually, so they cut six times more than the annual limit of the program."
The upshot: a lot of sound and fury, signifying nothing. "We're borrowing $6 billion a day, so after this entire orchestration they went through, they probably saved less than one day's worth of borrowing for the balance of this fiscal year." Many of the Republican freshmen were shocked to learn that the advertised cuts weren't real. But to Stockman, this is business as usual. "The appropriations committees in Congress -- House and Senate, Republican and Democrat -- are cesspools of deceit, and they have endless ways to trick the rest of Congress into thinking they're doing something."
Stockman sees similar shenanigans and deception afoot in the long-term deficit reduction plans. Rep. Paul Ryan, the earnest, young Midwestern legislator who has put forth a $4.2 trillion deficit reduction plan, may remind Stockman of his younger self. (Stockman was elected to Congress from Michigan in 1976 at the tender age of 30) But Stockman doesn't think much of his plan. "Ryan for instance says he gets to a balanced budget, but he does so in the fiscal afterlife, in 2030. That's irrelevant. The issue is what you're doing two or three years from now."
What's more, the Ryan plan is full of the same type of phantom cuts that characterized the budget deal, albeit on a much larger scale. For example, the Ryan plan calls for cuts of $1.2 trillion over the next decade in spending on the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. But those aren't real cuts. "This is because of a convention that says peak spending was $150 billion a year, and they project that [level of spending] out into the indefinite future," Stockman said. The budget baseline Ryan used assumed spending would continue on that level "when we already know we'll be out of Iraq by year's end, and hopefully we'll be out of Afghanistan soon." Meanwhile, the Ryan plan wouldn't make real cuts in entitlement programs like Medicare until ten years from now.
As much as it has a spending problem, the U.S. also has a taxing problem. Stockman says taxes have to go up -- across the board. "Here's where I take strong issue with the Obama administration," he said. " They want it [the Bush tax cuts] to expire on the top two percent of earners. They can get by. But we can't afford any of the Bush tax cuts, and therefore we're going to have to let them all expire."
 
They cut 6 billion dollars from census counting, even though there is no census counting to be done this year. It's sickening. It doesn't appear the Tea Party, including Paul Ryan, are worth a crap either. Hopefully Rand Paul doesn't sell out and can gain momentum over time.
 
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