Columbia University - Teachers College Question

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Not getting in to the discussion on TC because I honestly know nothing about its program, but don't we learn in graduate school that Wikipedia is not a scholarly source and potentially not factual :laugh:

Well it's true that it's not a scholarly source, but I kind of doubt that you are going to find a scientific journal article about whether or not Teacher's College is the same as Columbia. As far as non peer reviewed sources go, Wikipedia is usually fine for finding out general information, and it provides the source material for it's references for you to look up if you have any doubts.
 
Not getting in to the discussion on TC because I honestly know nothing about its program, but don't we learn in graduate school that Wikipedia is not a scholarly source and potentially not factual :laugh:

Just a reference for USNWR rankings, check the ranking yourself. Why question something that is true?
 
i was reading through the posts on this thread. i've considered looking more into TC as a school. if anything this thread has confused me more because of how aggressive some of the responses are (both ways that is) and i can't seem to get an objective view out of everyone's posts.
 
i was reading through the posts on this thread. i've considered looking more into TC as a school. if anything this thread has confused me more because of how aggressive some of the responses are (both ways that is) and i can't seem to get an objective view out of everyone's posts.

I'm graduating from TC this May with an MA in "Psychology in Education: General Track" If you have any questions and need objective opinions from someone who actually went there feel free to PM me 🙂 I won't sugarcoat anything - there were many things about the program that I didn't like but many other things that I absolutely loved.
 
i was reading through the posts on this thread. i've considered looking more into TC as a school. if anything this thread has confused me more because of how aggressive some of the responses are (both ways that is) and i can't seem to get an objective view out of everyone's posts.

I went to TC (counseling masters program) and have heard BOTH opinions, and then some, from members of my cohort--all who were receiving (near) identical training. Case in point: the moral of the story is that no matter who you ask, you will get a different opinion, at either end of the spectrum.

I can only offer my opinion, which is that I loved my program, but can understand how some doc students may feel that it is a high stress environment, where there are many demands asked of them.

Truth is, you're probably better off researching the school on your own and using your intuition and best judgment as to whether or not the program/school is a good fit for you. Take each person's advice with a grain of salt.
 
WOW this thread has some serious misinformation. Please do your research about a program before making comments.

According to the University Senate:

"WHEREAS: Columbia University confers all degrees and diplomas for Teachers College"
 
I came across this thread recently, and I signed up for an account, because I felt compelled to provide some credible information. I am a graduate of TC, though not in psychology. So I cannot speak to that program specifically. But I can speak to the relationship between TC and Columbia, which seems to be in dispute, and I can also speak to the overall quality of the education I received.

I received a masters in education (EdM) earlier this year. My diploma says the following:

"The trustees of Columbia University in the city of New York to all persons to whom these presents may come greeting, be it known that [my name], having completed the studies and satisfied the requirements for the degree of Master of Education, has accordingly been admitted to that degree..." etc.

It is signed by both Lee Bollinger, President of Columbia University and Susan Fuhrman, President of Teachers College.

Having just successfully defended my dissertation, I will receive my doctorate in education (EdD) in Feb. '15. Like the masters, the doctoral degree will be conferred by Columbia University and signed by the same two people.

This is because, as TC's director of admissions, David Estrella, states in a video on TC's website, ,
TC is Columbia University's Graduate School of Education. As such, it is one of Columbia University's 20 schools. This information is also published on Columbia's website, http://www.columbia.edu/content/schools.html.

Elsewhere on TC's website, it says, "In 1898, Teachers College became affiliated with Columbia University as a professional school for the training of teachers while retaining its legal and financial independence. Later that year, Teachers College and Columbia University adopted an affiliation agreement." http://www.tc.columbia.edu/abouttc/. Admittedly, this is a confusing statement that should probably be re-worded, because "affiliated" is not clearly defined. The aforementioned link to Columbia's own website, however, should clear up any confusion as to what "affiliated" means: TC is one of Columbia's schools and has been for 116 years.

TC is primarily a teacher training institution, as the name implies, and it is only for graduate students. These are two important distinctions: (1) there are only masters and doctoral students at TC, no bachelors students; and (2) TC is a school of education.

TC is very selective-- my program accepted three students the semester I was admitted, me and two others. My doctoral degree was rigorous and intense, with a full complement of research based courses to prepare me for my dissertation, which entailed a large, mixed methods research project. My dissertation was 450 pages (too long, but that's how I wrote it).

TC and Columbia students can cross-register-- I had students from other Columbia schools in my TC classes, and I knew TC students who enrolled in classes at other Columbia schools. These students were consistently bright and astute.

Taking all this in consideration, I don't know how one can say that TC is not Columbia-- the facts speak for themselves. And based on selective admission standards, academic rigor, and caliber of students, I feel the quality of education I received is representative of an Ivy League institution.
 
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Hello!

So I'm applying to Columbia's clinical psych PhD program, which is done by the affiliated Teachers College. When you get your degree, it says it's from Columbia, but on wikipedia there are separate endowments listed for the two institutions.

Here's the question: Does anyone know how much faculty members in the clinical program are funded within the Teachers College? Does Teachers college share the research funding with the ultra-rich Columbia, which has something like 6 billion dollars of funding? Or does TC go off of its measly ~200 million dollar endowment? How does this affect the caliber of research done within the TC? And lastly, does anyone know how "separate" the two institutions are, in that people who attend TC might be considered separate from those who attend Columbia?

Thanks!

Ok I have been a long-time lurker but had to create an account to chime in here. I attended TC for my MA in General Psychology. I did this as a stepping stone towards a PhD program before I immersed myself. I am currently a 4th year clinical psychology PhD student applying for internships.

I am SO happy that I attended Columbia. I am from NY and never heard of or saw such negative comments about TC before viewing the replies here. My degree is from Columbia, and I graduated at Columbia with all of the other students from various departments. I never saw TC as being separate. We had access to all things Ivy League (not just Columbia) as well as faculty resources throughout the entire university.

That being said, TC was SUPER expensive. There was no funding for MA students, and very little funding for PhD students. Because of this, I decided to not apply to their clinical psychology program. There are many GREAT programs that will fund you. Living in NYC on top of paying for Columbia out of pocket is just obscene. Great education, great experiences, but if you are a solid student I would encourage you to go to a program that funds its students. That being said, I know that my chances of getting into a PhD program increased after attending TC (that is coming straight from my mentor and other faculty) so if for some reason you cannot get into a program of your liking, I would definitely encourage going through this MA program and reapplying in two years.

Hope this helps!!
 
@President_LeslieKnope thanks for the info about TC PhD program. I hope you don't mind 2 follow-up questions. 1) You say the program is very expensive. On the website they indicate they are now fully funding 3-4 incoming students per year. Do you know if this is just for the first year (and hence, quite expensive overall!) or for the duration of study? 2) I see in the Insider's Guide the majority of incoming students have master's degrees. Do you know anything about that?

Thanks so much!
 
@President_LeslieKnope thanks for the info about TC PhD program. I hope you don't mind 2 follow-up questions. 1) You say the program is very expensive. On the website they indicate they are now fully funding 3-4 incoming students per year. Do you know if this is just for the first year (and hence, quite expensive overall!) or for the duration of study? 2) I see in the Insider's Guide the majority of incoming students have master's degrees. Do you know anything about that?

Thanks so much!

I wish I could give you more information, but I only know about the MA program and what I have heard about the PhD program. Also, I attended there from 2009-2011 so things may look very different now. The MA programs were very expensive, and since there is little funding at TC to begin with, it gets (of course) prioritized to the PhD students. I imagine it also depends on your mentors research productivity/money they bring into the department. I'm sorry I can't help more, but I would contact TC directly to better answer your two questions! Good luck!
 
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