Columbia vs UCLA

[jlee1986]

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hi everyone,

i've checked out some other threads concerning this matter, and wanted some additional opinions and input from you guys. up until now, i've had my heart set on columbia and was planning on attending since december. i was just accepted at ucla yesterday as a NY resident and am having such a hard decision picking between columbia or ucla..please let me know about your opinions on ANYTHING about the two schools!

one thing that worried me about ucla before was the fact that their classes were not based on the "systems" curriculum, but they've already started implementing the systems curriculum this year. do you think that because this curriculum is so new that my class will still be a part of the "guinea pig" stages of these changes?

another small thing that i'm weary about is the fact that i'm going to be so far away from friends/family. i'm not sure what i want to do yet after dental school, but if i were to specilalize and want to move back to the east coast, would i be able to do that just as easily from ucla as i would be able to from columbia? i love new york so much, but at the same time, i thought this would be the perfect opportunity to try some place new, and if i end up wanting to move back to the east coast, i assume that it won't be that hard to do. do most ucla dental students end up staying around the LA/Cali area? does networking have a huge impact on where you will be practicing after graduating?

also, how is the downtown area of LA compared to manhattan? and i am assuming that a car is most likely required if i end up in LA..


thank you guys for your input!

 

[Jimmy Choo]

Both great schools but LA and NYC are soo different. I've heard that UCLA has a medical focused curriculum and of course at Columbia you'd take the exact same classes as medical students the first two years. I think it just depends on what kinda girl you are, I'm an aristocratic and classy girl so I'd choose Manhattan 😍

I think if you're going to do general dentistry, it helps a little bit going to a school in the state where you plan on practicing because they prepare you to pass the state licensure? If you're going to specialize, it doesn't matter?

Also can the UCLA students dispel the rumor that there are 20-25 students who match to ortho every year? That's a made up figure perpetuated by random SDNers. FESS UP!

 

[whateveryoulike]

I think it just depends on what kinda girl you are, I'm an aristocratic and classy girl so I'd choose Manhattan 😍

huh? do you actually know what being aristocratic means? if you do, then you are implying that you (and the people in Manhattan) are better than the people in LA. 😕

 

[y0ssarian]

You already know my views on this topic ;]

Both Columbia and UCLA are going through a curriculum shift, so we're sort of guinea pigs either way.

 

[MJOHN]

I belive you would be an ARISTOCRAT not aristocratic...nouns and adjectives Ms. Choo....it will help to know the difference at Harvard.

 

[sajjy]

If you want to be close to your family then Columbia.
Otherwise UCLA hands down.

 

[jlee1986]

hey guys thanks for your input so far, but i really hope we can stay on topic..

sajjy, can you elaborate a little more as to why you'd pick ucla over columbia?

 

[cobalt31]

i would probably go to UCLA, because it has better weather, beaches, more attractive people, plus it's probably cheaper, even as an out-of-stater, since you can get in-state after your first year.

i'm an east coast person too, and personally i think that's all the more reason to get out and experience something new. seriously, while you're still young, how many other chances will you have to just pick up and move to LA or anywhere else?

addressing your two concerns: new curriculum affects both schools, and specializing in different parts of the country shouldn't matter - both are very well respected schools. so all in all, CONGRATULATIONS! go to LA 🙂

 

[jlee1986]

Thanks for your opinions! does anyone know how easy it is to get in-state residency after a year in cali? does anyone have first-hand experience with this? what did you have to do in order to become a resident?


also, if i do decide to become a GP and move back to new york, i'm going to have to do a GPR for one year in order to practice. what is the residency requirement for GP's who want to practice in the state of california?

i really wish i had more time than just 14 days to make my decision..

i would probably go to UCLA, because it has better weather, beaches, more attractive people, plus it's probably cheaper, even as an out-of-stater, since you can get in-state after your first year.

i'm an east coast person too, and personally i think that's all the more reason to get out and experience something new. seriously, while you're still young, how many other chances will you have to just pick up and move to LA or anywhere else?

addressing your two concerns: new curriculum affects both schools, and specializing in different parts of the country shouldn't matter - both are very well respected schools. so all in all, CONGRATULATIONS! go to LA 🙂

 

[cwebb4]

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[UCLAzy]

i work in a lab right across from the dental sim lab and i see dental students all the time. here are some things they've told me/i know that may influence your decision:

-quarter system, so things move real fast in classes
-the two professors i work with in my lab are the nicest guys ever!
-i dont know the specifics, but people advertise that it is very easy to get instate tuition after first year
-a DSTP student that i'm good friends with has told me that the pass/fail grading makes the students less cut-throat..meaning more willing to help eachother out
-dental students dont take classes with med students
-he's a D1 and already goes to clinic
-its expensive to live here (but so is new york so i guess that's not a prob)
-25 minutes to the beach by bus!

as for missing your family, it happens. i'm from maryland and i miss home all the time. i guess it boils down to how important that is for you. i wouldnt think that you would have copius amounts of time to spend with your family since you'd be so busy with work and studying, but a plane ride away means if you get homesick you'd just have to deal with it.

good luck! congrats on such good acceptances

 

[Black Teeth]

Thanks for your opinions! does anyone know how easy it is to get in-state residency after a year in cali? does anyone have first-hand experience with this? what did you have to do in order to become a resident?

You should ask Noemi because UCLA usually sets thier own criteria for establishing in state residency. It usually consists of paying rent, getting a California driver's license, and registering to vote in California. There may be other requirements so you should check with UCLA. It's much easier to ask the school than it is to ask anyone on SDN.

 

[doc3232]

I think you can get Cali residency in a year. It was very annoying for me when I had to do it. You have to show a lot of proof. But if you actually lived there for a year then it should be doable.

 

[Chops]

I'm actually in the same situation as you are and am 98% sure that I'll be going to UCLA. I'm from California, though, and that played into my decision to choose UCLA over Columbia. I am sad not to be going to Columbia, because I liked it there, especially the faculty, but UCLA students seemed to me to be happier and like their school better (not that Columbia students didn't seem happy; they did, just not as much), and the opportunities to specialize afterwards seemed good at either school. Part of what went into my decision is the -- possibly incorrect -- information I got from SDN, like that at Columbia they don't do a whole lot of clinical work because in New York you have to do a year-long residency after dental school anyway, which wouldn't be a problem if that's where you want to practice, but I don't want to live in New York after I graduate. Another reason I chose UCLA is because I like LA better as a place to live, I think the cost of living is a little lower, and UCLA is in a lot better neighborhood than Columbia. The clinics also seemed like they were better quality, and the students I talked to in the clinics at Columbia didn't seem particularly happy with them, while the UCLA students I talked to talked a lot about how they'd had no problems finding patients or getting a chair when they needed one.

As far as getting in-state residency, it seems that everyone is saying something else, but I've been dealing with being classified as in-state myself (I'm going to school out of state), and I've been looking pretty hard at the qualifications, and it is pretty strict about the fact that you can't be classified as in-state if you're in the state for educational purposes. Maybe there's some way around that for dental students, but from reading the criteria myself, it looks like you'd be out-of-state for the whole four years. Anyone, feel free to correct me about any of this.

See you at UCLA next year, maybe.

 

[Jimmy Choo]

I'm an aristocratic and classy girl so I'd choose Manhattan

I belive you would be an ARISTOCRAT not aristocratic...nouns and adjectives Ms. Choo....it will help to know the difference at Harvard.

Um, no. LOL...
#1 I used aristocratic correctly as an adjective in my sentence.
#2 You can't even spell believe so I give you a lot of credit for even kind of knowing the word aristocrat.
#3 You are either ESL or hoping to go to Howard Dental

This is a prime example of what I hate about being pre-dental...I have to be associated with uneducated peasants like you who have the audacity to call themselves future "doctors" and think they are even remotely close to my level of erudition just by the virtue of our being in the same field. 🙄

 

[Jimmy Choo]

huh? do you actually know what being aristocratic means? if you do, then you are implying that you (and the people in Manhattan) are better than the people in LA. 😕

I'm not implying it, I'm explicitly saying it! Aside from the celebs, don't girls in LA wear Steve Maddens? Like sweetie, it's about time you graduate from the whole Hollister look.

 

[hattrack04]

I'm actually in the same situation as you are and am 98% sure that I'll be going to UCLA. I'm from California, though, and that played into my decision to choose UCLA over Columbia. I am sad not to be going to Columbia, because I liked it there, especially the faculty, but UCLA students seemed to me to be happier and like their school better (not that Columbia students didn't seem happy; they did, just not as much), and the opportunities to specialize afterwards seemed good at either school. Part of what went into my decision is the -- possibly incorrect -- information I got from SDN, like that at Columbia they don't do a whole lot of clinical work because in New York you have to do a year-long residency after dental school anyway, which wouldn't be a problem if that's where you want to practice, but I don't want to live in New York after I graduate. Another reason I chose UCLA is because I like LA better as a place to live, I think the cost of living is a little lower, and UCLA is in a lot better neighborhood than Columbia. The clinics also seemed like they were better quality, and the students I talked to in the clinics at Columbia didn't seem particularly happy with them, while the UCLA students I talked to talked a lot about how they'd had no problems finding patients or getting a chair when they needed one.

As far as getting in-state residency, it seems that everyone is saying something else, but I've been dealing with being classified as in-state myself (I'm going to school out of state), and I've been looking pretty hard at the qualifications, and it is pretty strict about the fact that you can't be classified as in-state if you're in the state for educational purposes. Maybe there's some way around that for dental students, but from reading the criteria myself, it looks like you'd be out-of-state for the whole four years. Anyone, feel free to correct me about any of this.

See you at UCLA next year, maybe.

Just to chime in about the in-state vs. out of state. I have a few classmates who are planning on paying in-state tuition next year (D2 year). They had to get a Cali drivers license, get their car passed by the dmv, and a couple of other things. I am not sure about what they had to do exactly, because I am military scholarship so it doesn't really affect me. But I just wanted to say that from what I know from my classmates, it's fairly easy to become a Cali resident after one year, and then pay in-state tuition....

 

[Danny289]

I'm not implying it, I'm explicitly saying it! Aside from the celebs, don't girls in LA wear Steve Maddens? Like sweetie, it's about time you graduate from the whole Hollister look.

one question; have you thought to be in Modeling or art school instead of dnetnal school? just cuirous! 🙄

 

[achilles2]

I'm not implying it, I'm explicitly saying it! Aside from the celebs, don't girls in LA wear Steve Maddens? Like sweetie, it's about time you graduate from the whole Hollister look.

put a 9 in Hollister

and a 5 in Prada


see which one gets more attention from the guys


just sayin

 

[Vicviper]

I was in a similar situation as you, given a week to decide between Pitt and Columbia, and I eventually went with Pitt for a variety of reasons. I think the best piece of advice I can give you to help your decision is to go with whatever your gut is telling you, because that's really a lot more of your unconscious taking everything into account, vs things that might seem superficially important.

If it were me, I'd personally pick UCLA, it's a school I've wanted to get into for years, but I applied to late to be as competitive as I could have been. I think a lot of my bias towards UCLA is that fact that I live in Anaheim (Part of the greater LA area-ish), and I'd like to stay in California. One thing we definetly have over New York is the weather, can't beat CA for that, hehe. Also, another thing that someone else brought up was the neighborhood, and although I've heard many times that location is really a tertiary issue, for me, personally, I've been to NY a number of times and I just don't like the city, especially the shadier bits - although the area around Columbia has gotten better. UCLA on the otherhand is in Westwood, one of the best areas in LA, it's really nice.

Another thing I noticed about Columbia was that the sim labs were really old =(. The clinics were nice, but all the preclinical stuff was pretty old. One of the best things about Columbia were the faculty, they were some of the most friendly and inviting people I've ever met, and it really feels like a big family enviorment there.

Well, hope that helps, good luck with your decision!

 

[LuckiLeigh]

I just emailed Noemi about establishing residency because I will be doing that after my first year at UCLA. She forwarded me to the registrar's website and below is the excerpt on how to establish residency:

A student must demonstrate intent to make California his or her home by severing residential ties with the former state of residence and establishing those ties with California shortly after arrival. If the requisite intent is not demonstrated promptly, the waiting period for residence classification will be extended until both presence and intent have been demonstrated for the entire one-year period. Relevant indicia that contribute to the demonstration of a student's intent to make California his or her permanent home include, but are not limited to, the following:

1. registering to vote and voting in California elections
2. designating California as the permanent address on all school and employment records, including military records if the student is in military service
3. obtaining a California Driver License or, if the student does not drive, a California Identification Card
4. obtaining California vehicle registration
5. paying California income taxes as a resident, including taxes on income earned outside California from the date residence is established
6. establishing a California residence in which the student's personal belongings are kept
7. licensing for professional practice in California

The absence of these indicia in other states during any period for which residence is claimed can also serve as an indication of intent. Documentary evidence is required and all relevant indications are considered in determining classification. Intent will be questioned if the student returns to the former state of residence when the University is not in session.

I hope you choose UCLA - we can represent UofM out there together! Oh, and judging by Mrs. Choo's comments... I'm thrilled I chose UCLA over Harvard. I'd choose a pair of rainbows over manolo blancs any day!

One more thing- UCLA has 2 year housing available at Weyburn, which is cheaper than the surrounding area and a lot of students live there. It's also walking distance to the dental school.

 

[katy5787]

I was in a similar situation. I'm from PA and I was trying to decide between Pitt, Penn, and UCLA. I'm from Pittsburgh and I went to Pitt for undergrad, so I kinda wanted to go somewhere new for a few years. When I went to visit UCLA for my interview I fell in love with it! The only thing stopping me from going there was the fact that my family and fiance are in Pittsburgh and I would be far away from them obviously. After a lot of thinking, I finally picked UCLA. I figured I would never have a chance to live somewhere new and exciting again once I have a job you know? Plus, I've always wanted to live in California so this was the perfect opportunity. I don't think I will ever regret it. I'm not sure if I want to go back to Pittsburgh to practice or stay in LA when I graduate, but either way I'm sure I will have a lot of options when I'm done.
Not only is UCLA in a great area, but it's definitely a top-notch dental school from the information I've gathered. I don't think you can go wrong by going there.
Columbia has a great rep too so no matter where you go you are going to a great school. It just depends on where you want to live for the next few years. Do you want to be near home or do you want to try something new? If you do go to UCLA, obviously the internet and cell phones make it really easy to stay in contact so it won't be as bad as you think. I think we're going to be so busy anyways that it really won't matter where we are, we won't be seeing people we know too often. Plus, the other thing I liked about UCLA is that every 10 weeks you get a break, so I will be able to go home 4 times a year, which isn't too bad. When you are on those breaks you will have just taken finals too so you can fully relax if you do go home. Good luck with your decision!

 

[UCLAzy]

I was in a similar situation. I'm from PA and I was trying to decide between Pitt, Penn, and UCLA. I'm from Pittsburgh and I went to Pitt for undergrad, so I kinda wanted to go somewhere new for a few years. When I went to visit UCLA for my interview I fell in love with it! The only thing stopping me from going there was the fact that my family and fiance are in Pittsburgh and I would be far away from them obviously. After a lot of thinking, I finally picked UCLA. I figured I would never have a chance to live somewhere new and exciting again once I have a job you know? Plus, I've always wanted to live in California so this was the perfect opportunity. I don't think I will ever regret it. I'm not sure if I want to go back to Pittsburgh to practice or stay in LA when I graduate, but either way I'm sure I will have a lot of options when I'm done.
Not only is UCLA in a great area, but it's definitely a top-notch dental school from the information I've gathered. I don't think you can go wrong by going there.
Columbia has a great rep too so no matter where you go you are going to a great school. It just depends on where you want to live for the next few years. Do you want to be near home or do you want to try something new? If you do go to UCLA, obviously the internet and cell phones make it really easy to stay in contact so it won't be as bad as you think. I think we're going to be so busy anyways that it really won't matter where we are, we won't be seeing people we know too often. Plus, the other thing I liked about UCLA is that every 10 weeks you get a break, so I will be able to go home 4 times a year, which isn't too bad. When you are on those breaks you will have just taken finals too so you can fully relax if you do go home. Good luck with your decision!

10 week quarters are good cuz they're short but they also kinda suck because its so fast paced. midterms are between 3rd week and 8th week (yes..3rd week) depending if you have 2 or 1 midterm. like i said..its great but it also kinda sucks haha

 

[Black Teeth]

Also can the UCLA students dispel the rumor that there are 20-25 students who match to ortho every year? That's a made up figure perpetuated by random SDNers. FESS UP!

Well, I'm a former UCLA student and I can tell you that estimate is partially true. But it depends on how you break down the number. I would say that on average, about 20 UCLA students get accepted into ortho every year straight out of dental school. Some years it's been slightly more than 20. Very rarely have I seen 25 UCLA students from one dental class match into an ortho program straight out of dental school. So claiming that 25 UCLA students who are straight out of dental school and are able to match into ortho every year is a little bit far fetched and I agree with you on that. But I would say 20 per year is the more accurate number and the norm. But if you add in UCLA students who are applying after a GPR then yes, the number of UCLA students matching into ortho has consistently reached 25. Don't forget about the GPR applicants too. There are always a handful of students who do a GPR and then decide to apply to ortho and you have to count them as well because they applied and interviewed with everyone else during the same application cycle. After all, they are taking up an ortho spot that would have otherwise gone to an applicant straight out of dental school. And if you look at the total number of spots for ortho programs across the country, you'll find that a significant number of those spots belong to former GPR residents. So you have to count them in with the rest of the group. So even though they have already graduated, they are still former UCLA students nonetheless. UCLA applicants have a tendency to be obsessed with ortho regardless if they are current students or former students. It is by far the most sought after specialty at UCLA. If they don't apply to ortho straight out of dental school, you can bet that many of them will apply shortly after graduating as has been the case year after year. That having been said, 20 UCLA students matching into ortho straight out of dental school every year is not a rumor...it's actually been the case in years past with an additional 5 or so coming from GPR programs. I'm guessing that's probably how the other SDNers came up with the idea that 20-25 students from UCLA match into ortho...which really isn't that far from the truth and depends on how you interpret the numbers.

 

[achilles2]

Tough choice.

Both UCLA and Columbia both match up well. Have similar admission stats, both are known to produce specialists, and are both are highly touted Universities.

Honestly, I think you have to look at lifestyle NYC vs LA. Also how was your experience during your interview. I was sold on Columbia during my interview experience. I really liked the personalities, mentality, atmosphere and the smaller class size then UCLA. I also value taking medical courses with the medical students.

Honestly, I don't think you can make a bad decision here.

 

[Revellian]

. . .the smaller class size then UCLA.

Columbia seats 76, and UCLA seats 88? Those are pretty similar class sizes if you ask me. Or has this changed very recently?

 

[Jimmy Choo]

I would say that on average, about 20 UCLA students get accepted into ortho every year straight out of dental school.

Source? The only real source I've seen said that one year, 10 UCLA grads matched into ortho. I've only read about this ridiculous 20 number on SDN by various UCLA students/alum who perpetuate this made up number.

put a 9 in Hollister

and a 5 in Prada


see which one gets more attention from the guys


just sayin

Ew, Prada?

 

[jlee1986]

I was in a similar situation. I'm from PA and I was trying to decide between Pitt, Penn, and UCLA. I'm from Pittsburgh and I went to Pitt for undergrad, so I kinda wanted to go somewhere new for a few years. When I went to visit UCLA for my interview I fell in love with it! The only thing stopping me from going there was the fact that my family and fiance are in Pittsburgh and I would be far away from them obviously. After a lot of thinking, I finally picked UCLA. I figured I would never have a chance to live somewhere new and exciting again once I have a job you know? Plus, I've always wanted to live in California so this was the perfect opportunity. I don't think I will ever regret it. I'm not sure if I want to go back to Pittsburgh to practice or stay in LA when I graduate, but either way I'm sure I will have a lot of options when I'm done.
Not only is UCLA in a great area, but it's definitely a top-notch dental school from the information I've gathered. I don't think you can go wrong by going there.
Columbia has a great rep too so no matter where you go you are going to a great school. It just depends on where you want to live for the next few years. Do you want to be near home or do you want to try something new? If you do go to UCLA, obviously the internet and cell phones make it really easy to stay in contact so it won't be as bad as you think. I think we're going to be so busy anyways that it really won't matter where we are, we won't be seeing people we know too often. Plus, the other thing I liked about UCLA is that every 10 weeks you get a break, so I will be able to go home 4 times a year, which isn't too bad. When you are on those breaks you will have just taken finals too so you can fully relax if you do go home. Good luck with your decision!

wow, you're leaving your fiance? is he staying in pitt while you're in dental school? i guess my only real concern is that if i wanted to move back to new york, how easy that would be if most of my colleagues are back in LA/Cali. also, is it true that more columbia students match, on average, into omfs and ortho programs specifically? i know that columbia's "medically based" curriculum, and i'm wondering if this is one of the reasons why they have a high match rate into a medical specialty like omfs.

also, does cali have a gpr requirement for those who want to become a GP right after graduating from dental school?

and i can't thank you guys enough for your important information about each school. i really appreciate it 🙂

 

[Black Teeth]

Source? The only real source I've seen said that one year, 10 UCLA grads matched into ortho. I've only read about this ridiculous 20 number on SDN by various UCLA students/alum who perpetuate this made up number.

There is no such publication that I can show you to prove that number. No dental school that I am aware of, puts specialty stats in print. They keep internal statistics on this but don't release it to the public in print so I can't refer you to a website or anything of that nature. But many will happily say it verbally to the public...Harvard included. I doubt you'll find anything on paper that mentions the number of students from Harvard that match but Harvard will happily verbally proclaim that many of their students match to ortho and you would probably believe it without verifying thier claim. And if UCLA were to do the same thing then you would also have to give them the same benefit of the doubt or else you would be applying a biased double standard. But how do you present verbal evidence on SDN? You simply can't. I only mention 20 because that was my experience when I was at UCLA. For example, 21 people were accepted into ortho from UCLA while I was there and I happen to know all of them personally. After all, I did go to school with them and saw them everyday. I can name all of them on SDN along with the ortho residencies they are currently attending but then I would be invading thier privacy. It would be unethical for me to do that just to prove the credibility of this claim. The fact that I know all 21 people who matched to UCLA when I was there is enough to convince me of this claim since I have seen it with my own two eyes. It may not be enough to satisfy you but unfortunately, that's the best I can do. You asked for a UCLA student to comment on this issue and I am such a person. In a court of law, firsthand eyewitness testimony can be powerful evidence to prove a case. I guess you could say that I am that firsthand eyewitness and I am willing to testify to such a claim and if we were in a courtroom with a judge, he/she would accept my testimony as evidence. And if you are not willing to accept the testimony of a UCLA student, then why ask for a UCLA student to comment on this issue in the first place?

 

[Waitlisted2009]

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[Black Teeth]

These 20 were all in 1 year or over a few years? You can know 20 nobody has a problem with that but were they all in one year?

Yes, all in one year. But I can give evidence that was the case when I was at UCLA back then which wasn't too long ago. Since I am no longer a student at UCLA, it would be irresponsible for me to continue to claim that this is still the case at UCLA today. But since I graduated not too long ago, I doubt that much has changed. Some of my friends who are still at UCLA have told me that 25 people out of class of 88 applied to ortho this past cycle...and that's just the people who are still in dental school. It doesn't include the GPR applicants of which I am not sure how many there are of those. But I have no info on how many were able to match. Again, this is second hand information because I am no longer in the loop.

 

[Iampredent]

just curoius, why not michigan? I mean you and luckyleigh, did your undergad at umich so why not there dental school?

 

[Waitlisted2009]

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[Black Teeth]

UCLA 20 people sounds like a lot, word of mouth is word of mouth, anyone have any documents? Maybe next year I will apply to UCLA or something.... **** this year sucks

Well, it's not really word of mouth since you are talking to someone who has actually confirmed it firsthand. Word of mouth is hearsay...firsthand eyewitness testimony is evidence. There is a legal difference.

 

[jlee1986]

just curoius, why not michigan? I mean you and luckyleigh, did your undergad at umich so why not there dental school?

for me, it was mostly the fact that i want to move out of ann arbor. it was a great place to spend four years of undergrad and have met so many people i will be lifelong friends with, but i wanted a bigger city for my grad school experience...it really had nothing to do with the school itself and michigan is a really solid institution for dental school.

 

[prydA]

UCLA so you can be with me... (trust me it'll be worth it)

 

[sajjy]

I know a person who chose UConn over Columbia. Reasons being faculty-student (i believe in a lab there are only two professors for 80 students) ratio and students did not seem happy at Columbia, and many of them suggested not to come to Columbia.

UCLA is just a complete package- Didactic, clinical and residency placement as well as location.

 

[Revellian]

Well, it's not really word of mouth since you are talking to someone who has actually confirmed it firsthand. Word of mouth is hearsay...firsthand eyewitness testimony is evidence. There is a legal difference.

Ditto everything Black Teeth has said. I graduated in '07 and can attest to the ~20-25 per year that match into ortho.

 

[Waitlisted2009]

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[Black Teeth]

no real documents provided by the school?

Such documents don't exist...for any dental school. Like I said earlier, dental schools don't publish that kind of information but they will happily declare it verbally if you ask them. But as I mentioned earlier, it's really hard to present verbal evidence on SDN. As for me, I didn't need the UCLA admin people to tell me that 20 UCLA people match to ortho every year. I saw it with my own two eyes. Better than that, I personally know and talk to those people frequently to this day. And because I have firsthand knowledge of this claim, my testimony has credibility. After all, how is my testimony any different from a dentist who serves as an expert witness in a malpractice case? A jury is surely going to give credibility to that dentist who is serving as an expert witness purely because he/ she possesses firshand knowledge.

 

[Vicviper]

Columbia handed out their data for like the past 5-10 years for their specialty matching when I went there for an interview, it was like 12/12 ortho last year. I might still have the entire sheet if you're still interested.

 

[Waitlisted2009]

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[cwebb4]

In Columbia, dean sends the result of post-graduate residency to all dental students in late January.

 

[MLT1234]

Columbia handed out their data for like the past 5-10 years for their specialty matching when I went there for an interview, it was like 12/12 ortho last year. I might still have the entire sheet if you're still interested.

Penn hands out a sheet during the interview as well.

 

[pinkypinky2013]

UCLA so you can be with me... (trust me it'll be worth it)

hahahaa.....

 

[tooth hurty]

http://www.dentistry.ucla.edu/AnnualReport/2007_2008/index.html - UCLA's annual report. Jump to page 17. 8 people went to Ortho.

 

[Waitlisted2009]

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[Jimmy Choo]

http://www.dentistry.ucla.edu/AnnualReport/2007_2008/index.html - UCLA's annual report. Jump to page 17. 8 people went to Ortho.

What do you have to say about that Mr. Black Teeth?

 

[caloriefree]

and the year before 10 matched into ortho,

see page 11 (http://www.dentistry.ucla.edu/AnnualReport/2006_2007/index.html)

but i guess 10 out of 98 isn't too shabby, i bet it's one of the highest % wise.
I mean, how many ortho seats are there nationally? Does anyone know that?

 

[prydA]

What do you have to say about that Mr. Black Teeth?

unclassy, bro