Combined Pediatrics / Anesthesiology Programs

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CAthunder

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Hi all,
I'm currently a 4th year and I'm interested in both fields and would like to hopefully get a spot in one of the four programs that offer the program. I just wanted to know if anyone knows how competitive these programs were for the past match. Is there a section on ERAS where they have the combined programs or do we have to apply separately for the PGY-1 peds and PGY2-5 gas. Any help is appreciated. Thanks!
 
Hi all,
I'm currently a 4th year and I'm interested in both fields and would like to hopefully get a spot in one of the four programs that offer the program. I just wanted to know if anyone knows how competitive these programs were for the past match. Is there a section on ERAS where they have the combined programs or do we have to apply separately for the PGY-1 peds and PGY2-5 gas. Any help is appreciated. Thanks!

Wait a sec...are these combined programs that are 5 years and result in a peds anesthesiology fellowship plus basic residency? Or are you talking about normal peds plus gas? I had no idea the latter existed, but I must say I'm curious as to what one would do with such a combination--that one couldn't more reasonably (in my mind) accomplish with a peds fellowship?
 
Wait a sec...are these combined programs that are 5 years and result in a peds anesthesiology fellowship plus basic residency? Or are you talking about normal peds plus gas? I had no idea the latter existed, but I must say I'm curious as to what one would do with such a combination--that one couldn't more reasonably (in my mind) accomplish with a peds fellowship?

Apologies for the confusion. 5 years to be board-cert for both peds and gas. i guess you can diagnose the pfo and gas your same pt for the peds surgeon. -ct
 
Apologies for the confusion. 5 years to be board-cert for both peds and gas. i guess you can diagnose the pfo and gas your same pt for the peds surgeon. -ct

I would think it would be fairly specific for people interested in peds critical care. Seems a lot of those attendings, particularly at big academic places, are double-boarded in both.
 
I would think it would be fairly specific for people interested in peds critical care. Seems a lot of those attendings, particularly at big academic places, are double-boarded in both.

The only way to work in a PICU is to be Pediatrics-boarded, at least in academic places. It's too bad that pediatric anesthesiologists can't get boarded in pediatric critical care. It would be great to be able to do both OR and PICU as a pediatric anesthesiologist.
 
Hi all,
I'm currently a 4th year and I'm interested in both fields and would like to hopefully get a spot in one of the four programs that offer the program. I just wanted to know if anyone knows how competitive these programs were for the past match. Is there a section on ERAS where they have the combined programs or do we have to apply separately for the PGY-1 peds and PGY2-5 gas. Any help is appreciated. Thanks!

It will be competitive. Hopefully you go to JHU, Harvard, Stanford. UCI will be easier to get into. Unless you are absolutely sure about PICU you are better off avoiding that route all together. You will save time and make much more if you stuck with anesthesia then peds fellowship if you care about just OR stuff. If you do that route do know that is 5 years residency + 3 years peds ICU fellowship + 1 year peds anesthesia fellowship. 9 years to get to academics and get payed less then an anesthesiologist just doing peds anesthesia in general doesn't make too much sense unless you really interested in research etc.
 
WholeLottaGame is correct. This is basically another way to go to become a triple/quadruple boarded in peds, anesthesia, peds critical care and peds anesthesia (I say quadruple because a peds anesthesia board exam is on its way). If you just end with the five year program you're only left with being a general pediatrician and an anesthesiologist...THEN you have to go down the PICU fellowship route (three years) and the peds anesthesia fellowship route (1 or now even 2 more years). So we're talking 9-10 years of training. Or you just do peds anesthesia (1-2 years) or peds CCM (3 years)-- but I argue that you don't need to be a pediatrician to be a peds anesthesiologist and you don't have to be a peds anesthesiologist to be a peds intensivist. But some, like me, want to do both peds OR and PICU, so this long program would now be the only way to go.

The problem with all this is that as a med student, I think it's really difficult to know so early on that this is your lot in life-- and it's a HUGE commitment. I started as a peds resident, and two years in knew that I wanted to do Peds CCM and get the anesthesia training. But as a med stud? Your vision has to be VERY clear. And I'm not sure how one can have this perspective so early on. But if you do-- kudos.

Another reason to do this five year peds/anesthesia program is perhaps if you want to head a peds sedation service somewhere-- but then I argue you should get the peds anesthesia fellowship training. There is a huge need for practitioners that can devote themselves to sedating children in the hospital for minor procedures-- a huge cost-saver from the OR side, and the safest thing for children everywhere.

To answer your question about competitiveness-- I would imagine it depends on how quickly this program is catching on...I would bet that it's a small group that has the perspective or desire to enter such a specific and long training program from the get go. If you have a clear reason for wanting to do both and meet the "stats" desired for the most competitive residency between the two you're applying for at a particular institution, then I think you'll do fine. For example, at Hopkins, peds and anesthesia are both very competitive, so you'd have to make both teams happy.

For those of you who are applying to this program-- educate us-- what's your vision for your future and why this program is right for you?

Good luck.
 
WholeLottaGame is correct. This is basically another way to go to become a triple/quadruple boarded in peds, anesthesia, peds critical care and peds anesthesia (I say quadruple because a peds anesthesia board exam is on its way). If you just end with the five year program you're only left with being a general pediatrician and an anesthesiologist...THEN you have to go down the PICU fellowship route (three years) and the peds anesthesia fellowship route (1 or now even 2 more years). So we're talking 9-10 years of training. Or you just do peds anesthesia (1-2 years) or peds CCM (3 years)-- but I argue that you don't need to be a pediatrician to be a peds anesthesiologist and you don't have to be a peds anesthesiologist to be a peds intensivist. But some, like me, want to do both peds OR and PICU, so this long program would now be the only way to go.

The problem with all this is that as a med student, I think it's really difficult to know so early on that this is your lot in life-- and it's a HUGE commitment. I started as a peds resident, and two years in knew that I wanted to do Peds CCM and get the anesthesia training. But as a med stud? Your vision has to be VERY clear. And I'm not sure how one can have this perspective so early on. But if you do-- kudos.

Another reason to do this five year peds/anesthesia program is perhaps if you want to head a peds sedation service somewhere-- but then I argue you should get the peds anesthesia fellowship training. There is a huge need for practitioners that can devote themselves to sedating children in the hospital for minor procedures-- a huge cost-saver from the OR side, and the safest thing for children everywhere.

To answer your question about competitiveness-- I would imagine it depends on how quickly this program is catching on...I would bet that it's a small group that has the perspective or desire to enter such a specific and long training program from the get go. If you have a clear reason for wanting to do both and meet the "stats" desired for the most competitive residency between the two you're applying for at a particular institution, then I think you'll do fine. For example, at Hopkins, peds and anesthesia are both very competitive, so you'd have to make both teams happy.

For those of you who are applying to this program-- educate us-- what's your vision for your future and why this program is right for you?

Good luck.

Thank you so much for all your help!! This was very helpful!!
 
Hi all,
I'm currently a 4th year and I'm interested in both fields and would like to hopefully get a spot in one of the four programs that offer the program. I just wanted to know if anyone knows how competitive these programs were for the past match. Is there a section on ERAS where they have the combined programs or do we have to apply separately for the PGY-1 peds and PGY2-5 gas. Any help is appreciated. Thanks!

CAthunder, I was just touching base with you to see how the match went. Like you, I am also incredibly interested in this combined program with only 5 places in the country offering it. Any info on your experience would be fantastic.

Thanks!!!
 
CAthunder, I was just touching base with you to see how the match went. Like you, I am also incredibly interested in this combined program with only 5 places in the country offering it. Any info on your experience would be fantastic.

Thanks!!!

And to add to that, anyone that may have some idea about what type of Step 1/2 scores you should have, GPA, papers, or anything else to have a chance to match at any of these 5 programs would also be greatly appreciated.
 
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