COMLEX II CE and PE

[doc24u]

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hi everyone. may be you all are not aware of this important fact that., according to AOA- standards and procedure of accreditation of COM, section 5.4.1 . you are not required to pass COMLEX II CE and PE. you only required to take it, not take and must pass it. this must take and pass rules goes into effect for entering class of 2004-2005. thus , its all a big money scam by the universities(COM) , NBOME and AOA. its all about making money from students. check that section 5.4.1 of AOA standards and procedures of COM accreditations for yourself . iam sure you find out for yourself what a big scam that is. good luck and let me know . if you need more help to find it these rules. mainly simply google it as Standards and procedures of colleges of osteopathic medicine , and thatn look for section 5.4.1. good luck

 

[DrMom]

Through this year's graduating class you don't have to pass them to graduate, but you do have to pass all 4 COMLEX exams to be able to be licensed to practice. You *could* go through all 4 USMLEs to get licensed (I believe, but am not 100% sure, that you're stuck with the COMLEX route if your state has a separate licensure board for DOs), but either way you're going to have to take and pass 4 licensure exams (including a silly one with patient models).

I know of no way that the universities or AOA make money from COMLEX. The NBOME is a separate entity. Also, the cost for the COMLEX exams is quite similar to the equivalent exams through the NBME (the USMLEs). It is just a part of the process. If you want to be a physician in the US you're just going to have to deal with it.

All that said, I believe that the COMLEX exams are very poorly written and need to be completely re-worked.

 

[DropkickMurphy]

All that said, I believe that the COMLEX exams are very poorly written and need to be completely re-worked.

Why not just use the USMLE and then toss in an extra test of the OMM information the AOA wants you all to know?

 

[DrMom]

Why not just use the USMLE and then toss in an extra test of the OMM information the AOA wants you all to know?

Well, while many of us have proposed that in the past, the older-school DOs like to keep everything "separate but equal," if you will.

 

[Dr JPH]

Why not just use the USMLE and then toss in an extra test of the OMM information the AOA wants you all to know?

👍

Some will argue that the non-OMM questions still test "osteopathic theory."

As an OMM Fellow who has taken COMLEX 1, COMLEX 2 CE, COMLEX 2 PE and USMLE 1 I can say with a large amount of certainty...that statement is not true.

I feel that you can adequately test osteopathic knowledge in a 100 question supplemental exam. Make it a graduation requirement and be done with it.

MD students and DO students should take the USMLE 1, 2, 3 and 2-PE.

DO students should then need to pass the OP&P supplement.

They can call it "Osteopathic Principles and Practice Supplemental Exam"

Or... OPPSEX

🙂

 

[Dr JPH]

good luck and let me know .

Let you know what? 😕

 

[DropkickMurphy]

Well, while many of us have proposed that in the past, the older-school DOs like to keep everything "separate but equal," if you will.

That's the response I expected.....I figure a 100 question multiple choice test would be a great way to assess the necessary knowledge of OMM.....

SAMPLE QUESTION:
"When faced with a patient who has pedal edema as a result of congestive heart failure, the most direct remedy for this is:"
1. Lasix
2. Pedal pump
3. Waving a dead chicken over the patient and speaking in tongues
4. Sacrificing a goat at the altar of A.T. Still located at AOA Headquarters
5. 2 and 4

(OK, sorry....I was obligated contractually to make a joke)

But seriously....I like the OPPSEX idea. 👍

 

[DrMom]

That's the response I expected.....I figure a 100 question multiple choice test would be a great way to assess the necessary knowledge of OMM.....

SAMPLE QUESTION:
"When faced with a patient who has pedal edema as a result of congestive heart failure, the most direct remedy for this is:"
1. Lasix
2. Pedal pump
3. Waving a dead chicken over the patient and speaking in tongues
4. Sacrificing a goat at the altar of A.T. Still located at AOA Headquarters
5. 2 and 4

(OK, sorry....I was obligated contractually to make a joke)

But seriously....I like the OPPSEX idea. 👍

I've gotten similar questions on step 2 & 3!

 

[Dr JPH]

That's the response I expected.....I figure a 100 question multiple choice test would be a great way to assess the necessary knowledge of OMM.....

You had me here.

SAMPLE QUESTION:
"When faced with a patient who has pedal edema as a result of congestive heart failure, the most direct remedy for this is:"
1. Lasix
2. Pedal pump
3. Waving a dead chicken over the patient and speaking in tongues
4. Sacrificing a goat at the altar of A.T. Still located at AOA Headquarters
5. 2 and 4

And you lost me here.

DKM...you are a bright guy, no doubt about that.

Naysaying and questioning are one thing.

But I dont see any reason to rip on OMT the way you do. You have said yourself you may end up at a DO school.

You dont have to subscribe to the theory behind OMT or even believe that any of it works.

But to make some of the comments that you make takes your credibility as an outspoken voice of opposition and makes you look foolish.

If you were a DO student I could at least snicker at some of what you say. But the fact that you are a premed with no knowledge of OMT outside of what you can read by googling something...they just makes me wonder what has happened to give you such negative feelings towards a therapy that you clearly dont fully understand?

(OK, sorry....I was obligated contractually to make a joke)

But seriously....I like the OPPSEX idea. 👍

It goes beyond joking. Im at a loss for words sometimes. And it is just getting old.

 

[DropkickMurphy]

You had me here.



And you lost me here.

DKM...you are a bright guy, no doubt about that.

Naysaying and questioning are one thing.

But I dont see any reason to rip on OMT the way you do. You have said yourself you may end up at a DO school.

You dont have to subscribe to the theory behind OMT or even believe that any of it works.

But to make some of the comments that you make takes your credibility as an outspoken voice of opposition and makes you look foolish.

If you were a DO student I could at least snicker at some of what you say. But the fact that you are a premed with no knowledge of OMT outside of what you can read by googling something...they just makes me wonder what has happened to give you such negative feelings towards a therapy that you clearly dont fully understand?



It goes beyond joking. Im at a loss for words sometimes. And it is just getting old.

OK....I'll stop. I'm sure I can find other things to poke fun at *heads to Pre-allo forum*

 

[doc24u]

you are very wrong about NBOME being separate from AOA , NBOME is part of AOA and is controled by AOA. there are records with Secretary of state and IL and Indiana can clearly prove that.NBOME is part of AOA.

 

[Dr JPH]

you are very wrong about NBOME being separate from AOA , NBOME is part of AOA and is controled by AOA. there are records with Secretary of state and IL and Indiana can clearly prove that.NBOME is part of AOA.

Lets see.

 

[doc24u]

according to AOA rules of Accreditation and procedure , section 5.4.1, you don"T need to pass COMLEX II CE and PE, untill entering class of 2004-2005.again now only you have to take it and take and must pass start with entering class of 2004-2005. therefore, you should 'nt be forced to by the school that you have to take and pass COMLEX II CE and PE to graduate if you enter before 2004-2005. its as simple as that. also, according to AOA- post graduation training requirnment , you don"t need to COMLEXII CE and PE to do a residency, look it up for yourself. As far as licensing requirnment each state has different requirnment, most states accept a combination of testa such as FLEX, USMLE, NBME, and etc.again you can find that out too. beside, you have afew years after graduation to take and pass all these tests any way. the poin here is you don"t need to pass these test if you entered before 04-05. so stop being naive and believe everything that you hear from the school or NBOME for that mater. they all care about Money. your money. by the way for those of you who don't believe that NBOME is owned and controled by AOA. may be you should check with the corporation records with both states of IL, and Indiana, and you will see whos the real owner of NBOME. is no one but AOA. so again. get your head out of the sand box and find the facts for yourself.

 

[DrMom]

Please quit implying that people are going to be able to be licensed without passing the COMLEX PE or USMLE CS. Everyone is going to have to take Step 3 and both the COMLEX (as I have already posted) and the USMLE require that you have taken and passed the first 3 exams before you can register for Step 3. (so that negates your testing mix-and-match scenario)

While different states vary on the length of time in residency training required for licensure, they all require that you pass Step 3...which, once again, requires that you pass COMLEX PE or USMLE CS. That means that you have to take all four exams from one of the testing programs for licensure.

Now, I've already posted in agreement with you that the class of 07 is the last class that only has to take the CE and PE to graduate. But they still can't get licensed to practice without actually passing them.

 

[scpod]

may be you should check with the corporation records with both states of IL, and Indiana, and you will see whos the real owner of NBOME. is no one but AOA. so again. get your head out of the sand box and find the facts for yourself.

Not sure what you're trying to prove, but to make it easy, the corporate file numbers for the state of Illinois are

NBOME- 63363162
AOA- 17188119

The AOA isn't even a registered entity in Indiana, but the NBOME's control numer is:

NBOME- 1996090038

As for this ownership stuff you are looking for, it ain't there.

 

[Dr JPH]

according to AOA rules of Accreditation and procedure , section 5.4.1, you don"T need to pass COMLEX II CE and PE, untill entering class of 2004-2005.again now only you have to take it and take and must pass start with entering class of 2004-2005. therefore, you should 'nt be forced to by the school that you have to take and pass COMLEX II CE and PE to graduate if you enter before 2004-2005. its as simple as that. also, according to AOA- post graduation training requirnment , you don"t need to COMLEXII CE and PE to do a residency, look it up for yourself. As far as licensing requirnment each state has different requirnment, most states accept a combination of testa such as FLEX, USMLE, NBME, and etc.again you can find that out too. beside, you have afew years after graduation to take and pass all these tests any way. the poin here is you don"t need to pass these test if you entered before 04-05. so stop being naive and believe everything that you hear from the school or NBOME for that mater. they all care about Money. your money. by the way for those of you who don't believe that NBOME is owned and controled by AOA. may be you should check with the corporation records with both states of IL, and Indiana, and you will see whos the real owner of NBOME. is no one but AOA. so again. get your head out of the sand box and find the facts for yourself.

Your first post got me thinking.

Your second post made me understand...that youre not worth listening to.

I dont know what your motive is but you dont seem to have a sound foundation for your argument.

Your communication skills are only one problem in trying to figure out what you are saying.

I get the gut feeling that you failed the PE and are now looking for a place to gripe.

 

[doc24u]

why don't you look a court records which i will provide with later on where actually NBOME has sued AOA to disolve its Control and replace its governing board by AOA TO THEM. mAY BE YOU CAN THAN OPEN YOUR EYES AND SEE THE TRUTH BEHIND THE SEEN. THEY ALL CONNECTED TOGETHER. I PROMISS YOU I WILL GIVE YOU THE CASE # AND THE OUTCOME OF IT LATER ON. ONLY THING THAT I WANT TO PROVE IS THAT WE SHOULD BE MORE KNOWLEDEABLE ABOUT OUR RIGHT AND THE RESPONSIBALITY OF THESE ORGANISATION TOWARD US. WE PAY LOTS OF MONEY AND WORK HARD AND SACREFICE ALOT TOO TO ACHIEVE OUR GOALS. SO WE SHOULDN"t BE NAIVE TO LET THIS PEOPLE TAKE OUR DREAM AWAY.ANY WAY, I WILL POST THE CASE LATER ON FOR YOU . MAY BE THAN YOU WILL KNOW WHATS UP .

 

[Dr JPH]

why don't you look a court records which i will provide with later on where actually NBOME has sued AOA to disolve its Control and replace its governing board by AOA TO THEM. mAY BE YOU CAN THAN OPEN YOUR EYES AND SEE THE TRUTH BEHIND THE SEEN. THEY ALL CONNECTED TOGETHER. I PROMISS YOU I WILL GIVE YOU THE CASE # AND THE OUTCOME OF IT LATER ON. ONLY THING THAT I WANT TO PROVE IS THAT WE SHOULD BE MORE KNOWLEDEABLE ABOUT OUR RIGHT AND THE RESPONSIBALITY OF THESE ORGANISATION TOWARD US. WE PAY LOTS OF MONEY AND WORK HARD AND SACREFICE ALOT TOO TO ACHIEVE OUR GOALS. SO WE SHOULDN"t BE NAIVE TO LET THIS PEOPLE TAKE OUR DREAM AWAY.ANY WAY, I WILL POST THE CASE LATER ON FOR YOU . MAY BE THAN YOU WILL KNOW WHATS UP .

Whose dream are they taking away?

Did they fail you and now you are bitter?

Did you pass COMLEX PE?

Every career has a number of tasks that must be completed to reach an end point, medicine is no exception.

I dont see these exams as a money trap or a waste of my time. Their intent is to standardize the education that we all obtain...albeit their execution of their job is still working the bugs out.

 

[doc24u]

As i promissed you earlier, here is the case which NBOME sued the AOA.
COURT OF APPEALS OF INDIANA
FOURTH DISTRICT
CASE# 49A04-9307-CV-263
DEC.27, 1994.
In this case the court of appeal held that AOA, has approval rights over board's directors, articles, and bylaws are valid and enforceable.
so don"t tell me thatAOA does not control NBOME. thats also why NBOME has to chapter of articule of incoroparation, one in IL and other in Indiana. i guess that should wake up again and rethink your earlier statment. any way, just all want to say is that we have to be aware of what goes behiend the scen, and who realy controles everything, and see the chain of lies and decieption, by these agencies .

 

[Shinken]

I heard once that the NBOME is run by the illuminati. 🙄

 

[toothless rufus]

I heard once that the NBOME is run by the illuminati. 🙄

And the Illuminati is run by the AOA!

 

[Dr JPH]

I'm going to offer you an exam that you can't refuse.

 

[DropkickMurphy]

I'm going to offer you an exam that you can't refuse.

OK, I've decided why I want to be an osteopath! I want to have the right to make jokes like that!