Has any one done this, I am considering an HPSP, but this First Year Graduate Medical education feels like a scam to get another year out of you.
Any comments??
Any comments??
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Athomeonarock said:
it's not any more of a scam than the rest of it, lol. maybe i'm not understanding your question-- are you wondering about the GMO issue?
No, not the GMO, some thing the year after med school, its like a pre residency( as the recruiter described it) .the brouchure states " after FYGME. youll have the opertunity to compete for continuation in the residency of your choice" Is this just the fist year of residency?
Athomeonarock said:
LOL, it's amazing how uninformed recruiters are. Mine doesn't know the first thing about residency either. The first year of residency in the civilian world and in the army is your internship. FYGME is just that, your intern year. It's no different then any civilian world post-graduate-year-1 program. The way the military gets more time out of you is by making you do a GMO, but thats more of an issue with the navy and air force.
I believe that this highlights a cardinal rule that all interested in HPSP should remember. NEVER take the word of a recruiter as gospel. Remember these simple rules:
1. If a recruiter tells you, don't believe it.
2. Never believe what one person tells you. EVERYTHING should be corroborated.
3. The military has a bad habit of changing things quickly and updating information slowly. It seems things change but brochures, web sites, and recruiter training doesn't.
4. Never do it for the money.
5. The only rule is that there are exceptions to the rule.
I am a former Army HPSPer in a FYGME program at an Army medical center. I am pretty comfortable with how the process works. As the previous poster mentioned, there is really no big difference between the way the military does things and the civilian world does. The same ACGME accredits civilian and military training programs. Early in your 4th year of medical school you will begin the process of applying for FYGME. That's just a fancy military way of saying exactly what it stands for, "First Year Graduate Medical Education". I don't have the time to get into the entire process, but suffice is to say that when it's all done you will have several options DEPENDING ON YOUR CAREER CHOICE. Some residencies will allow you to sign contracts before you graduate medical school that enable you to complete your entire training with the military. I do not recall which specialities allow this, but mine, pathology, does. I have signed a 4-year contract. Don't quote me, but I think Ob-gyn also did this. For the remaining specialities (or if you decide to opt out of the "complete" contract) you sign a one-year contract to do at least one year of post-graduate training with the military. Unless you are deferred to a civilian residency (and this is a whole nuther story) you must do at least one year of training with the military. The practical reason is that after you take Step 3 of USMLE (or Part 3 of COMLEX for the DOs) you apply for your unrestricted state medical license. This is usually done during or after your first year of graduate training. You are then a "doctor", able to prescribe, write orders, etc. with abandon (not just in a controlled hospital setting). The military needs at least this out of you.
From here the road diverges to many different points. I think that the most salient is to mention that if you take the one-year contract with the intention of completing your residency training with the Army you will apply for the residency during your first year of graduate training (aka the "intern" year). Sometimes there are less residency spots than there are interns queued up to take them. If you are the unlucky one who doesn't get in, you may be moving. For the most part (and almost uniformly with the primary care (family medicine, internal medicine, pediatrics) you will easily pass on to the rest of your residency from the intern year.
There's so much to say but the hour is late (for us path-types), I hope this helps,
G
1. If a recruiter tells you, don't believe it.
2. Never believe what one person tells you. EVERYTHING should be corroborated.
3. The military has a bad habit of changing things quickly and updating information slowly. It seems things change but brochures, web sites, and recruiter training doesn't.
4. Never do it for the money.
5. The only rule is that there are exceptions to the rule.
I am a former Army HPSPer in a FYGME program at an Army medical center. I am pretty comfortable with how the process works. As the previous poster mentioned, there is really no big difference between the way the military does things and the civilian world does. The same ACGME accredits civilian and military training programs. Early in your 4th year of medical school you will begin the process of applying for FYGME. That's just a fancy military way of saying exactly what it stands for, "First Year Graduate Medical Education". I don't have the time to get into the entire process, but suffice is to say that when it's all done you will have several options DEPENDING ON YOUR CAREER CHOICE. Some residencies will allow you to sign contracts before you graduate medical school that enable you to complete your entire training with the military. I do not recall which specialities allow this, but mine, pathology, does. I have signed a 4-year contract. Don't quote me, but I think Ob-gyn also did this. For the remaining specialities (or if you decide to opt out of the "complete" contract) you sign a one-year contract to do at least one year of post-graduate training with the military. Unless you are deferred to a civilian residency (and this is a whole nuther story) you must do at least one year of training with the military. The practical reason is that after you take Step 3 of USMLE (or Part 3 of COMLEX for the DOs) you apply for your unrestricted state medical license. This is usually done during or after your first year of graduate training. You are then a "doctor", able to prescribe, write orders, etc. with abandon (not just in a controlled hospital setting). The military needs at least this out of you.
From here the road diverges to many different points. I think that the most salient is to mention that if you take the one-year contract with the intention of completing your residency training with the Army you will apply for the residency during your first year of graduate training (aka the "intern" year). Sometimes there are less residency spots than there are interns queued up to take them. If you are the unlucky one who doesn't get in, you may be moving. For the most part (and almost uniformly with the primary care (family medicine, internal medicine, pediatrics) you will easily pass on to the rest of your residency from the intern year.
There's so much to say but the hour is late (for us path-types), I hope this helps,
G
Thanks for the responses,
im suprised my recruiter did not know that, i guess you really can never trust them.
im suprised my recruiter did not know that, i guess you really can never trust them.
To be fair, many of them are not being deceptive, they simply don't know the ins and outs of HPSP. Some of them will BS or make up an answers, others will say they will find out. I had to do most of the research myself. They physician recruiters simply aren't trained for the job they are doing. What amazes me is the number of times I have straightened people out here on SDN who already signed up.Athomeonarock said:
This is your life people, don't sign anything until all the questions are answered. Don't let them pressure you. As always, the long time denizens of this forum will answer your questions (at least when we're not getting slammed in the NICU -- right Homunc?).
Ed
Think of recruiters as football players who aren't given the playbook. They know that they must get the ball into the endzone, but that's about it. You are the ball.
Like ed said, they usually aren't trying to be deceptive. They just don't get the info and they are unfamiliar with the ins/outs of the medical life. In all fairness, it took me 4 years to get a working understanding of residency and I think that it will take these four years of residency to start to understand staff responsibilities.
G
Like ed said, they usually aren't trying to be deceptive. They just don't get the info and they are unfamiliar with the ins/outs of the medical life. In all fairness, it took me 4 years to get a working understanding of residency and I think that it will take these four years of residency to start to understand staff responsibilities.
G
