Competitive Step 1 Score?

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it is well above average for all takers, including anesthesia matches, i would think. provided you dont drool on yourself or do magic during your interview, it should be enough to help you match in a competitive place
 
I just don't get these recent threads about people with amazing stats asking if they're competitive. I mean, if you're smart enough to get a 99 on step 1, you think you'd be smart enough to check out "charting outcomes" or searching previous threads with a smiliar discussion.

perhaps you are just book smart with no common sense whatsoever, which is also possible....

more likely you just like having your ego stroked... in which case perhaps anesthesia is not for you
 
dingleberry007 said:
I just don't get these recent threads about people with amazing stats asking if they're competitive. I mean, if you're smart enough to get a 99 on step 1, you think you'd be smart enough to check out "charting outcomes" or searching previous threads with a smiliar discussion.

perhaps you are just book smart with no common sense whatsoever, which is also possible....

more likely you just like having your ego stroked... in which case perhaps anesthesia is not for you
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Go into Derm superstar.:laugh:
 
dingleberry007 said:
I just don't get these recent threads about people with amazing stats asking if they're competitive. I mean, if you're smart enough to get a 99 on step 1, you think you'd be smart enough to check out "charting outcomes" or searching previous threads with a smiliar discussion.

perhaps you are just book smart with no common sense whatsoever, which is also possible....

more likely you just like having your ego stroked... in which case perhaps anesthesia is not for you
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Dingleberry's response is actually quite helpful, since it makes the point that good anesthesiologists possess a "team player" mentality. The reason I posted this thread was because I'm seeking out the average scores of specific institutions to get an idea of how competitive I am for specific programs -- assuming, of course, that that information will even be available to me. I'm definitely aware of resources that can provide more general Step 1 statistics, though.

Oh, and about that derm -- I don't think I've done quite that well!
 
peachd said:
Dingleberry's response is actually quite helpful, since it makes the point that good anesthesiologists possess a "team player" mentality. The reason I posted this thread was because I'm seeking out the average scores of specific institutions to get an idea of how competitive I am for specific programs -- assuming, of course, that that information will even be available to me. I'm definitely aware of resources that can provide more general Step 1 statistics, though.

Oh, and about that derm -- I don't think I've done quite that well!
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i think the way you started your post warranted those type of responses. obviously a 242 is competitive for AN anesthesia residency, if you want specifics then mention specific programs otherwise it does seem like you just want an ego boost. just my 2 cents 😎
 
I doubt it dude. Unless one is AOA these days, its pretty unlikely they are competitive enough for Anesthesia. I cant believe you are asking. I'm with dingleberry on this one.
 
peachd said:
Dingleberry's response is actually quite helpful, since it makes the point that good anesthesiologists possess a "team player" mentality. The reason I posted this thread was because I'm seeking out the average scores of specific institutions to get an idea of how competitive I am for specific programs -- assuming, of course, that that information will even be available to me. I'm definitely aware of resources that can provide more general Step 1 statistics, though.

Oh, and about that derm -- I don't think I've done quite that well!
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Don't worry, you didn't.
 
lakersbaby said:
i think the way you started your post warranted those type of responses. obviously a 242 is competitive for AN anesthesia residency, if you want specifics then mention specific programs otherwise it does seem like you just want an ego boost. just my 2 cents 😎
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So stating that I wanted specific stats, if available, doesn't qualify as mentioning specific programs?
 
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Are you serious or are you just fishing for compliments?
 
peachd said:
I got a 242 on Step 1. Would I be competitive for anesthesia residency? Does anyone know any program's specific Step 1 average score? Thank you!
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Yeah, I don't really get the point of this question. I mean it seems highly unlikely that you would be so motivated to study hard and do well on the Step 1 without having previously investigated scores for specialties. Geez, as a MS1, I had practically all the recent average Step 1 scores in my head. Don't be too upset by the responses in the thread. Your skin is still virginized...it will thicken as MS3 progresses. Then, MS4. Then, you'll be a resident one day and harassed so badly but taking it so well, other med students will ask you how you do it. Welcome to the club - see upper level criticism as a welcome. 🙂
 
As my original post expressly stated, I started this thread with the hope of obtaining program-specific residency scores.
 
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As far as scores are concerned, you are fine. The so-called top-tier programs likely had applicants with scores exceeding 230. That is only the proverbial foot in the door though. Interpersonal and interview skills will be your rate-limiting factor. As an attending, I couldn't care less what my colleagues and new hires got on their step exams. So long as they can pass the specialty board exam, I am satisfied. What I care more about is whether or not they demonstrate clinical competence, good decision-making skills, and the ability to get along with others and be a team player.
Best of luck to you at the beginning of your journey. It is a fabulous ride!

PMMD
 
pmichaelmd said:
As far as scores are concerned, you are fine. The so-called top-tier programs likely had applicants with scores exceeding 230. That is only the proverbial foot in the door though. Interpersonal and interview skills will be your rate-limiting factor. As an attending, I couldn't care less what my colleagues and new hires got on their step exams. So long as they can pass the specialty board exam, I am satisfied. What I care more about is whether or not they demonstrate clinical competence, good decision-making skills, and the ability to get along with others and be a team player.
Best of luck to you at the beginning of your journey. It is a fabulous ride!

PMMD
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I think these are correlated with doing well on board exams...the board questions attempt to mimic clinical-decision making with what's the best mgmt, dx, what's the next diagnostic step, no?
 
I thought at first that maybe the OP was an FMG or DO(obviously an AMG with that score is in a really good position).. What would be considered a competitive score for an FMG? For a DO? ..... Got my step 1 in 12 days, anesthesia has been what I wanted for so long now.. I get little panic attacks like eveyday now 🙁
 
sebsvenmdc said:
I think these are correlated with doing well on board exams...the board questions attempt to mimic clinical-decision making with what's the best mgmt, dx, what's the next diagnostic step, no?
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There is some correlation, but there are plenty of "book-smart" guys and gals who freeze/panic/whatever in the room when confronted with real life situations. There can be a broad gulf between reading multiple-choice questions and answering them vs doing everything de novo. It is kind of like golf...I am watching the British Open, may even be able to critique a bad swing I see on TV, but that doesn't mean that I can apply what I see/critique on television on the golf course myself.
It is the art of anesthesia, not just the science, that counts.
 
BlitznFire said:
I doubt it dude. Unless one is AOA these days, its pretty unlikely they are competitive enough for Anesthesia. I cant believe you are asking. I'm with dingleberry on this one.
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Don't you apply for residencies long before you know if you are AOA?
 
peachd said:
I got a 242 on Step 1. Would I be competitive for anesthesia residency? Does anyone know any program's specific Step 1 average score? Thank you!
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I am almost certain that you posted that you got a 274 on another thread???!!!

Were you just messing with us?
 
If you click on my username, then you can view all the posts i've made and verify that that is not the case.
Sigh...
 
slowbutsteady said:
Don't you apply for residencies long before you know if you are AOA?
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You'll know beforehand if you are Junior AOA. If you're Senior AOA, you will probably have to update schools depending on when your school makes selections and when you submit your application.
 
Since we are already on the topic of STEP 1 scores, at what score would you likely be looked at most places, including top tier programs 230, 240? Just curious what kind of threshold scores places tend to use. I understand that the app is more then a number and obviously the higher the better; but if you had to sort of draw an artificial line on STEP 1 what would the score to have for some of the top tiers?
 
DrCurious said:
Since we are already on the topic of STEP 1 scores, at what score would you likely be looked at most places, including top tier programs 230, 240? Just curious what kind of threshold scores places tend to use. I understand that the app is more then a number and obviously the higher the better; but if you had to sort of draw an artificial line on STEP 1 what would the score to have for some of the top tiers?
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230+ will get you many interviews, and possibly even "top 10" programs, depending on your class rank. I'll use myself as an example - Step 1 was 239/99 and got interviews at MGH, BIDMC, Northwestern, Columbia, and NYU, but did not get invites to Brigham, Penn, Mt Sinai and Cornell. I suspect it would have been different if I had been top 25% of my class or even AOA. A 240+ should get you in the door almost everywhere, with a few exceptions, e.g. you are from the east coast, but Stanford and UCSF dont give you any love.
 
ymgc said:
230+ will get you many interviews, and possibly even "top 10" programs, depending on your class rank. I'll use myself as an example - Step 1 was 239/99 and got interviews at MGH, BIDMC, Northwestern, Columbia, and NYU, but did not get invites to Brigham, Penn, Mt Sinai and Cornell. I suspect it would have been different if I had been top 25% of my class or even AOA. A 240+ should get you in the door almost everywhere, with a few exceptions, e.g. you are from the east coast, but Stanford and UCSF dont give you any love.
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From what I heard from recent applicants if your an IMG 230 will get you interviews at lower tier places. 240s maybe get you interviews at lower end of the mid tier programs... Not complaining bc as an IMG myself (US citizen, Carib student) I would feel very happy to match anywhere as long as it's in the field of anesthesia.. It's just a lot of pressure going into the step 1 knowing you need to do pretty well for even
a shot at ANY program at all 🙁
 
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ymgc said:
230+ will get you many interviews, and possibly even "top 10" programs, depending on your class rank. I'll use myself as an example - Step 1 was 239/99 and got interviews at MGH, BIDMC, Northwestern, Columbia, and NYU, but did not get invites to Brigham, Penn, Mt Sinai and Cornell. I suspect it would have been different if I had been top 25% of my class or even AOA. A 240+ should get you in the door almost everywhere, with a few exceptions, e.g. you are from the east coast, but Stanford and UCSF dont give you any love.
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I'd like to add again that I think Step 2 can be a huge benefit to people who aren't satisfied with their Step 1. I scored just above the national average on Step 1 but broke into the low 240s on Step 2, and was invited to interview at 16/18 programs to which I applied. Five of them are mentioned by the above poster, and I matched at one of them. I don't think I would've gotten those interviews if I delayed Step 2. While that 240+ on Step 1 will get you into most doors, all is not lost with an average Step 1, if you work to improve it.
 
Can someone tell me some schools (NE, MW, SE) that are within reach with a 226, average grades, no research, no-name school?
 
drcurious said:
since we are already on the topic of step 1 scores, at what score would you likely be looked at most places, including top tier programs 230, 240? Just curious what kind of threshold scores places tend to use. I understand that the app is more then a number and obviously the higher the better; but if you had to sort of draw an artificial line on step 1 what would the score to have for some of the top tiers?
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230
 
DrCurious said:
Since we are already on the topic of STEP 1 scores, at what score would you likely be looked at most places, including top tier programs 230, 240? Just curious what kind of threshold scores places tend to use. I understand that the app is more then a number and obviously the higher the better; but if you had to sort of draw an artificial line on STEP 1 what would the score to have for some of the top tiers?
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I don't know about top tiers specifically, but according to http://www.nrmp.org/data/programresultsbyspecialty2010.pdf (2010 NRMP Program Director Surveyhttp://www.nrmp.org/data/programresultsbyspecialty2010.pdf, page 16), I'd say 230 is a good bet.
 
Thanks for this reply. I posted previously on another thread regarding my situation. USMLE of 199 (ugh), but Comlex scores 545 and 595...and great LORs, 3 solid rotations at great hospitals, and, I think, the kind of personality, skills and work ethic programs are looking for. I really love the specialty and have gotten very positive feedback on my skills and "fit". Any chance?
 
not to scare anyone but my pathway director told me im not a lock for a spot in california or ny and im not talking about top programs just those locations in general. he said i would have to apply outside of those states. kind of surprising, with a pretty good board score, a US MD school and AOA. kind of a bummer. hope i'm not coming off like the OP here. haha jk
 
>260 is a sure sign of pathology and should be shunned, or at least examined closely to make sure they can function in the real world. 🙂
 
lakersbaby said:
not to scare anyone but my pathway director told me im not a lock for a spot in california or ny and im not talking about top programs just those locations in general. he said i would have to apply outside of those states. kind of surprising, with a pretty good board score, a US MD school and AOA. kind of a bummer. hope i'm not coming off like the OP here. haha jk
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I would have to disagree with that advice. Just go ahead, apply, and see.
 
What about less than stellar scores of 223 and 225 for step 1 and step 2 respectively, no AOA, average grades? Should I just apply to more schools than the average applicant?
Thanks for any guidance!
 
you'll need a 270 to get an interview at any decent program. when i was on the interview trail, it seems like everyone had scores of 270 or higher, and had interviewed at at least 30 places.

good luck!
 
midazme said:
you'll need a 270 to get an interview at any decent program. when i was on the interview trail, it seems like everyone had scores of 270 or higher, and had interviewed at at least 30 places.

good luck!
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helpful 👍
 
midazme said:
you'll need a 270 to get an interview at any decent program. when i was on the interview trail, it seems like everyone had scores of 270 or higher, and had interviewed at at least 30 places.

good luck!
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Oh, was that the interview trail that multiplied step 1 scores by 1.5? 270 seems kind of low then...since the average would be like 336. Also, I heard interviewing at 30 places was kind of cutting it fine, past residents suggested interviewing every other day of the month for November-January.
 
green thicket said:
What about less than stellar scores of 223 and 225 for step 1 and step 2 respectively, no AOA, average grades? Should I just apply to more schools than the average applicant?
Thanks for any guidance!
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vector2 said:
Can someone tell me some schools (NE, MW, SE) that are within reach with a 226, average grades, no research, no-name school?
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Seriously, can some of us average students get some advice?
 
midazme said:
you'll need a 270 to get an interview at any decent program. when i was on the interview trail, it seems like everyone had scores of 270 or higher, and had interviewed at at least 30 places.

good luck!
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my friend seriously got a 274 and thought he failed the exam. he wants to do family.
 
IlDestriero said:
What is the median score these days? Everyone here has >230. I've got my money on a great deal of wishful thinking and BS. The fact that it's an anonymous Internet forum makes it even more pathetic.:meanie:
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I got my score back July 14, and the average was 221 with a standard deviation of 24.
 
NRMP reports average step 1 score of matched applicants to be 224 with step 2 of 230...but how many programs did people have to apply to and then interview at with these scores?
 
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