competitiveness of CCM

[Handsome88]

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How competitive is a 2 year CCM fellowship after doing IM. How would you compare it to other specialties in competitiveness?

Would it be possible to use this as a back up option if one couldn't get into their primary desired specialty? Is this a common thing to do? What if our CV was very much geared towards another specialty but applied to CCM, would it still be attainable?

I am very interested in CCM, where can I find data showing number of positions/applicants/match rates...etc.

Thanks.

 

[Handsome88]

Anyone has any info?

 

[JoBreeze]

http://www.nrmp.org/match-data/fellowship-match-data/

 

[Handsome88]

http://www.nrmp.org/match-data/fellowship-match-data/

Thanks but this doesn't answer my questions. It doesn't show CCM, it shows pulm/cc. I just want to do IM-->2 years CCM.

How competitive is that? My CV will be 100% cards but I know I have a very low chance of matching cards being from a low-tier uni program and non-US citizen IMG. I would love to do CCM as back up.

 

[sluggs]

If you are a USMG with no major red flags and have: decent board scores; university residency; ANY research then you are very competitive for ccm.
If you are a USMG with no red flags and even one of three criteria above, you are competitive.
If you are a USMG with no red flags you will still get something.
If you are an FMG with 1 of 3 above, you will get a good spot.
In short: no it is not very competitive! Much less than GI, CARDS, Pulm/CCM and ONC.
Odd, too, because it is really cool work and pays decent! However, your days are tiring!

 

[Handsome88]

If you are a USMG with no major red flags and have: decent board scores; university residency; ANY research then you are very competitive for ccm.
If you are a USMG with no red flags and even one of three criteria above, you are competitive.
If you are a USMG with no red flags you will still get something.
If you are an FMG with 1 of 3 above, you will get a good spot.
In short: no it is not very competitive! Much less than GI, CARDS, Pulm/CCM and ONC.
Odd, too, because it is really cool work and pays decent! However, your days are tiring!

Sounds very noncompetitive. I have all 3 of the above and an FMG. Sounds like I will get something somewhere.

Thanks!

 

[bashwell]

If you are a USMG with no major red flags and have: decent board scores; university residency; ANY research then you are very competitive for ccm.
If you are a USMG with no red flags and even one of three criteria above, you are competitive.
If you are a USMG with no red flags you will still get something.
If you are an FMG with 1 of 3 above, you will get a good spot.
In short: no it is not very competitive! Much less than GI, CARDS, Pulm/CCM and ONC.
Odd, too, because it is really cool work and pays decent! However, your days are tiring!

Interesting, thanks for this. Out of curiosity:

1. If you are already IM>ccm, then will it be possible to get into pulm only (or ID only or renal only)?

2. If you first do IM>ID (or renal or another one of the less competitive subspecialties - i.e. not gi, cards, heme/onc, pulm/ccm). If you have IM then ID, will it be "easier" to get into ccm?

 

[jdh71]

Interesting, thanks for this. Out of curiosity:

1. If you are already IM>ccm, then will it be possible to get into pulm only (or ID only or renal only)?

2. If you first do IM>ID (or renal or another one of the less competitive subspecialties - i.e. not gi, cards, heme/onc, pulm/ccm). If you have IM then ID, will it be "easier" to get into ccm?

You can do either or. BUT doing CCM first will add a year to training. CCM coming out of residency is two years. Subspecialty fellowships are are at least two years including pulmonary, renal, or ID. H/O, GI, and Cards are three years at baseline. AFTER you finis fine of the big named fellowships you can add ONE additional year of critical care and be board eligible. So. If you're going to do it do a combined three program of do the subspecialty first followed by the single year of CCM.

 

[critatron9000]

What about an AMG with multiple red flags...failed a course, failed CS but generally did well in residency with decent board scores?

 

[Handsome88]

What about an AMG with multiple red flags...failed a course, failed CS but generally did well in residency with decent board scores?

If you are an AMG, absolutely nothing matters, you can apply to cards and still get in somewhere. You have no idea how easy you have it! Plus, as long as you did well in residency I don't see why not.

 

[YankeeCandle1141]

If you are an AMG, absolutely nothing matters, you can apply to cards and still get in somewhere. You have no idea how easy you have it! Plus, as long as you did well in residency I don't see why not.

I really doubt this is true, but I also think that the competitiveness of everything is overestimated in general.

"[insert any specialty] is getting crazy competitive!!!" You know?

 

[Brigade4Radiant]

I really doubt this is true, but I also think that the competitiveness of everything is overestimated in general.

"[insert any specialty] is getting crazy competitive!!!" You know?

It really isn't that hard Except for GI and Allergy most fellowships are equivalent into getting into FM for residency. If you live in Cali or NYC it may be competitive to have a fellowship but if you are willing to go anywhere. Assuming that you are MD or DO.

People like being competitive in general that is why you hear all the OMG X specialty is SOO competive but unl

 

[jdh71]

What about an AMG with multiple red flags...failed a course, failed CS but generally did well in residency with decent board scores?

Critical Care is full of black sheep.

 

[Handsome88]

Critical Care is full of black sheep.

Why is that?
How come the specialty is very undesired? I see more people applying to nephro and geriatrics but not CCM... I mean what's bad about it? Is it the burn out? Job market?

 

[pulmoblast]

Critical care only is pretty easy to get...mayo clinic, Cleveland, U Pitt are full of IMGs...the lifestyle isn't great...you are like a glorified hospitalist except stress x 5...money is getting better though ... After critical care time based billing has come in...that's why a lot of people want to do it after ID or Renal (because both of the specialities have a terrible lifestyle with horrible pay). Jobs with shift work are most desirable in CC, but there aren't many of those yet...though the work model is changing towards shift work