Completing a master's program while waiting to apply?

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Hello!

I'm a med school hopeful who has applied to genetic counseling programs this year. Long story short - I am actually planning on applying to med school in 2011, so I would be able to complete the gc program if it so happens (fingers crossed!) that I am accepted to med school. But I am curious as to how completing a gc program will come across to admission committees - is it something that would strengthen my application? Or would it seem that I have no focus? Etc etc.

Thanks for your thoughts! 🙂
 
I think it will be viewed as equal to a nice extracurricular activity. If it gives you research and teaching opportunities those will enhance your application. If you have patient contact hours, that would definitely augment your clinical experience. The GPA earned will not help a past poor academic record (if applicable). Be sure to continue with community service on a regular basis while you are involved with the program.
 
I think it will be viewed as equal to a nice extracurricular activity. If it gives you research and teaching opportunities those will enhance your application. If you have patient contact hours, that would definitely augment your clinical experience. The GPA earned will not help a past poor academic record (if applicable). Be sure to continue with community service on a regular basis while you are involved with the program.

^^ I see this type of comment a lot on here about (traditional) Masters programs not helping get people into med school. This really cannot be further from the truth (I am perfect evidence of this). While it may not bring your actual AMCAS ugrad gpa up that doesnt mean it will go unnoticed by adcoms. And that sounds like a really cool masters program to be in. I worked with a genetic counselor at CHOP here in philly and it seemed like a really cool job. You act as sort of a liason between the clinical hard science world and the layman's world. Pretty neat IMO! Adcoms are really interested in people with diverse backgrounds. Think of how many typical pre med applicants they deal with. Yeah the applicants may have stellar stats and have done everything right but reading those apps over and over must be like eating dry ass white meat turkey with nothing to wash it down! My masters is in forensics and the adcoms LOVED it. We spent more time talking about the technology of forensics than we did on my poor undergrad performance. This happened in pretty much every interview. So good luck if you go that route...it sounds pretty cool to me...and I am sure it will really enhance your app assuming you do well.
 
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Thanks for your responses and words of encouragement! 🙂

Maintaining my volunteering is a great suggestion. Thankfully my intentions on entering the gc programs aren't to boost my gpa - 2011 is actually the perfect year for me to apply to med schools and these programs fit perfectly into that time frame. It is such a wonderful opportunity and I find genetic counseling very fascinating and practical.

I guess my concern is actually rooted the timing of it - since I will be applying to medical schools in the midst of the gc program, it's obvious that I wouldn't have had utilized the degree. As opposed to earning it and working for a few years. How would that be interpreted by adcoms? I am probably over thinking this. 😛

Willen101383, what was your experience timing wise? Did you use your master's? Forensics sounds unique like gc! I feel like MPH is the typical (and safest) degree.
 
Thanks for your responses and words of encouragement! 🙂

Maintaining my volunteering is a great suggestion. Thankfully my intentions on entering the gc programs aren't to boost my gpa - 2011 is actually the perfect year for me to apply to med schools and these programs fit perfectly into that time frame. It is such a wonderful opportunity and I find genetic counseling very fascinating and practical.

I guess my concern is actually rooted the timing of it - since I will be applying to medical schools in the midst of the gc program, it's obvious that I wouldn't have had utilized the degree. As opposed to earning it and working for a few years. How would that be interpreted by adcoms? I am probably over thinking this. 😛

Willen101383, what was your experience timing wise? Did you use your master's? Forensics sounds unique like gc! I feel like MPH is the typical (and safest) degree.


Forensics was reallllly cool. I took a bunch of classes I really enjoyed. (anatomy,physio,osteology, forensic pathology 1,2, forensic toxicology1,2, forensic microbiology, immunology, firearms and toolmark analysis, terrorism,etc) Timeline wise I applied after my first year of my masters and I think got 4 interviews, 2 acceptances. I ultimately didnt go to the schools I was accepted to for personal reasons. I reapplied last fall after I graduated to only 3 schools, 2 acceptances.
 
^^ I see this type of comment a lot on here about (traditional) Masters programs not helping get people into med school. This really cannot be further from the truth (I am perfect evidence of this). While it may not bring your actual AMCAS ugrad gpa up that doesnt mean it will go unnoticed by adcoms. And that sounds like a really cool masters program to be in. I worked with a genetic counselor at CHOP here in philly and it seemed like a really cool job. You act as sort of a liason between the clinical hard science world and the layman's world. Pretty neat IMO! Adcoms are really interested in people with diverse backgrounds. Think of how many typical pre med applicants they deal with. Yeah the applicants may have stellar stats and have done everything right but reading those apps over and over must be like eating dry ass white meat turkey with nothing to wash it down! My masters is in forensics and the adcoms LOVED it. We spent more time talking about the technology of forensics than we did on my poor undergrad performance. This happened in pretty much every interview. So good luck if you go that route...it sounds pretty cool to me...and I am sure it will really enhance your app assuming you do well.

You worked with a genetic counselor at CHOP, but still think your one personal anecdote qualifies as "perfect evidence?"
 
You worked with a genetic counselor at CHOP, but still think your one personal anecdote qualifies as "perfect evidence?"

I was referring to me getting accepted after doing a masters program....

@ any rate...there are plenty of people who were accepted after doing a masters program...despite all the talk on SDN about how its "SMP or not worth it." That is what I was talking about.
 
Not all Masters are equal in terms of helping your application.

A SMP is a completely different animal from doing a traditional masters since the sole purpose of a SMP is to get you into medical school, that's why a lot of SMPs have you take classes along with MS1s, to prove that you can do the work. If you don't go on to medical school the SMP degree/certificate is largely useless since it isn't very applicable to jobs or for further education. If you are going to do a Masters to boost your application it's probably the hardest and most effective way, though not doing well (below a 3.5, or even below a 3.7) will ruin your chances even for Carib schools.

Then you have hard-science/research based masters, a traditional masters where you take upper level bio/science courses and may or may not have a bench research component to it. Although the GPA won't count as much, doing such a masters can still help by giving you research experience or showing that you can do well in upper level science classes (if that was a concern from your transcript, ie prereqs only and not a lot of upper level classes). However with research based ones it's going to be hard to accurately gauge when you'll be done, and unless you plan on doing research later those classes are largely worthless. This might be the way to go if you are unsure of how much you want to go to medical school (ie are you willing to be a 3rd time reapplicant?) and want to have some options open if it doesn't work out.

Probably the least effective in terms of boosting your application is going to be a soft-science based masters such as a MHA, MPH, or GC since you aren't really showing anything to adcoms. If you were going to spend a few years working then having such a degree could make you more marketable and have better experiences than you would otherwise, but if you are trying to go straight from the masters to medical school the only thing they'll help with is maybe clinical experience but there are cheaper and easier ways to accomplish it.

Not that I have anything against genetic counselors, I've worked with several in the past, and if I don't go to medical school and ever get tired of bench work it's something that I've thought about pursuing. It just all comes down to personal situations of what short-comings you are trying to overcome by getting a masters and the most efficient way to overcome them, and how much you are willing to risk without having a backup plan.

In regards to your question of whether it'll come across as having to no focus, I think as long as you have had previous exposure to genetics related work/research (or even if you didn't) you can frame it in the context of wanting to learn more about the field (genetic research) and thought it would help you communicate better with patients.
 
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Wow, kami333, thanks for your response! Out of all the master's programs gc is my first choice because I find it genuinely interesting and would like to incorporate it into my future career goals. I wouldn't go for hard science degrees because I've done research before and I know that's not a path I'd like to pursue as a future career. It's good to know that the gc program won't hurt my application in any way!

willen101383, sounds like your master's really worked well for you! What kind of medicine are you pursuing now? And I'm curious as to how to go about LORs - who do you choose as letter writers - your pre-med professors or your master's degree professors? (I'm a post bacc. JUST to make things more complicated!)
 
i think anything that will make your application more interesting always helps. this is especially true if it can have a positive and direct impact on you as a physician. since genetic counseling is something you're interested in and passionate about, go for it and make it clear on your med school applications. and if you're still uncertain, supplement your time with clinical time.

i think a decision going into a masters program also depends on your current stats (GPA, MCAT, ECs, etc) and what your motivation is for entering a masters program.

when i was applying to masters programs, i had the choice between an MPH and an SMP program. i went the MPH route because i wanted to learn something new and enrich my knowledge about public health and the health care system. the SMP would've help me boost my GPA but i didn't think it would broaden my horizons about medicine and healthcare.

to me, it's whatever you make of what you decide to do. and it will definitely show in your applications. im not a strong medical school applicant, but in all my interviews, all my interviewers wanted to talk about was what i did in my post-graduate studies and my current job (which is in health care), and they liked it. i was accepted to one program and waitlisted at my top choice school

i hope that helps! best of luck on your apps!
 
Schools will usually say that they want LORs from your graduate program director/research PI if you're in a graduate program.
 
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