Compound Interest

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I looked at a compound interest calculator this weekend to get an approximation of how much I would end up owing for school with my payment plan. Out of curiosity, I looked up to see how much I would end up spending if I had gone to Northwestern, another school I had been accepted to. I thought I'd share what I found for those of you who will need to be making some important decisions soon.

I roughly approximated what my principle would be:

Tuition: $95,000
Books for 3 years: $3,000
Rent for 3 years: $25,000
Living Expenses for 3 years: $15,000

Total: $138,000
(This is probably an underestimate.)

I used this loan calculator: http://www.bankrate.com/calculators/college-planning/loan-calculator.aspx

If I paid this loan off over 15 years with a 7% interest rate, my monthly payments would be 1240.38. At the end of the 15 years, this totals $223,268.40.

So, even though tuition is $95,000, what you really end up paying can be significantly higher than that.
 
omg! when you put it into perspective like that, it's super crazy!! man i really wish my home state had a PT school out here ;(
 
The debt burden is truly out of line with the earning potential. It's just nuts. (Though not a problem that's restricted to PT, unfortunately).

In California, the formerly low-cost CSU system is raising tuition almost threefold with the transition from MPT to DPT, from about $26K to about $72K.

You're right, many folks don't think about what the debt load will mean for their lives.

There are a couple federal programs that might ameliorate it to some degree, though. I'm wondering if anyone has direct experience with one or both of these:

Income-based repayment: For direct Federal loans (including Stafford and Graduate PLUS), it's (theoretically) possible to cap your monthly payments at a reasonable level. This looks like it's actually based on AGI (or rather, "15 percent of the difference between your AGI and 150 percent of the Department of Health and Human Services Poverty Guideline") http://studentaid.ed.gov/students/publications/factsheets/factsheet_IncomeBasedRepayment.pdf

So it may be possible to drop payments further once you can push AGI down via pre-tax retirement investing, a mortgage interest deduction, and so on.

The downside is that this is a 25-year repayment plan. Anything left over at the end should be forgiven, but interest accrues throughout, so that leaves a big hole to climb out of if policies change or something wacky happens.

Another possible downside is that the maximum total federal loan amount (the combination of Stafford loans, which have an annual limit of $20K or so, and Grad PLUS loans) is set by your school. Their estimated cost of attendance might not cover your actual cost of living, so there might be some private loans in the mix too, which would not be subject to IBR.

But using your $138K figure, assuming a $65K AGI (probably on the high side, at least to start), a 6.8% interest rate, and a family of two, the Department of Education IBR calculator (http://studentaid.ed.gov/PORTALSWebApp/students/english/IBRCalc.jsp) says that IBR payments will be $535 a month (again, though, for 25 years).

Over 25 years, that comes to $160,500. Much more reasonable. But you (and I!) would be in serious trouble if the forgiveness clause goes away for whatever reason.

Another possible avenue to kick down the debt (at least the federally-backed debt) could be

Public Service Loan Forgiveness: http://studentaid.ed.gov/PORTALSWebApp/students/english/PSF.jsp

Under this program, you can pay IBR rates, but the debt is discharged after 10 years. So $535 per month times 120 months is $64,200. Now we're talking. It's not clear to me, though, if this is a viable route for PTs. The catch is that you need to be employed by a nonprofit, in most cases a 501(c)(3). Most hospitals should meet that requirement, but I don't know about outpatient facilities. I imagine your choice of setting could have an impact on your eligibility for PSLF.

It's also not totally clear if PT as a field is eligible for PSLF, but based on the FAQ here, I think it is. (Q25: "The specific job that you perform does not matter, as long as you are employed by a public service organization.")

Sorry for going off, but I'm freaking out about the debt load too. $1240 a month for 15 years is just not feasible, and the low-cost options are fast disappearing. I'm going to be doing whatever I can to minimize the debt burden, but it's intimidating as hell. Programs like these may be the difference between attending PT school and not for me.

To those who are already practicing: Have you successfully participated in either IBR or PSLF? Any gotchas I've missed?
 
WOW!!! This makes PTA school look that much more attractive!
 
Remember this is just an estimate based on Northwestern, which is one of the more expensive schools. I wanted to point this out so that people would consider cheaper PT schools, not dropping PT altogether. I'm attending NIU and my total cost of tuition over the three years is $25,000, and even if you were out of state it would be $50,000. Or at the very least, if your state doesn't have a cheaper school and you don't want to move, or for whatever personal reasons you have fewer options, really try to keep your living costs down, live with your folks, pursue a graduate assistant position, or work for a year to save up some money... etc. Just don't ignore the reality of your situation.
 
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Most schools I am looking at (not counting the one in-state public PT program) are running 27000 to 30000 per year for tuition. So I am estimating 90,000 for 3 years. Hope to stay in state and live at home.......but if I get accepted out of state the loans will go up. Interest is part of the nightmare.

Thanks LASOMBRA for the links. Trying not to think too hard about the $$.

Wells Fargo also has grad / med loans that you don't have to pay back until after you graduate, and can be deferred for 2-4years, or "in school forbarance" depending on the loan type.they would be private and not subject to the same fed programs. https://www.wellsfargo.com/jump/EFS/studentloans#4 You would also need to see if your school participates in the various loan programs. Doesn't hurt to give a call to check it out ahead of time.

Fed loans are no longer going to be subsidized (june or july 2012) and the unsub loan limit per year is something like $20500 for grad students. Don't forget to file your FAFSA in January...I think we are considered independent and report our own taxes not our parents-even if under 24. I also found it helpful to talk w/ the school Financial Aid officer.

Also check out AIE.org. this site was recommended to me by one of the FA officers. Helps with budgeting, finance tools, etc.
 
To be fair, when calculating compound interest you must also calculate all the compound interest on your earnings over those 15 years. Assuming you are maxing out your retirement account for the 11 years after you graduate, you will be earning compound interest there as well, which can leave you with a comfy retirement fund. In the case that you can't get a better return on your savings than what you're paying for your loan, then you'd be better off spending that money to pay off your loan early and reducing that interest significantly.

In other words, it's not like you're just going to be sitting around on your ass for 15 years - you're gonna be earning, and your earnings compound too.
 
To be fair, when calculating compound interest you must also calculate all the compound interest on your earnings over those 15 years. Assuming you are maxing out your retirement account for the 11 years after you graduate, you will be earning compound interest there as well, which can leave you with a comfy retirement fund. In the case that you can't get a better return on your savings than what you're paying for your loan, then you'd be better off spending that money to pay off your loan early and reducing that interest significantly.

In other words, it's not like you're just going to be sitting around on your ass for 15 years - you're gonna be earning, and your earnings compound too.

Good point.
 
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