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Kind of curious about this possibility after a pain fellowship (plus maybe some addiction training). Seems like a great way to ensure you're working with a more motivated patient cohort. Anyone have any thoughts?

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Kind of curious about this possibility after a pain fellowship (plus maybe some addiction training). Seems like a great way to ensure you're working with a more motivated patient cohort. Anyone have any thoughts?
Really? I would anticipate them to be arrogant, spoiled, entitled, demanding
a$$holes
 
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Really? I would anticipate them to be arrogant, spoiled, entitled, demanding
a$$holes

Also a reasonable assumption, though I feel like many people say these sorts of things about chronic pain patients in general, which doesn't seem to dissuade applicants from pursuing the fellowship.
 
Kind of curious about this possibility after a pain fellowship (plus maybe some addiction training). Seems like a great way to ensure you're working with a more motivated patient cohort. Anyone have any thoughts?

There is an argument to be made for separating the 2. Many of your pain patients will not be motivated. They will come to resent your trying to push MAT on them the same way many patients in large pain practices have come to resent having injections pushed on them in exchange for continuation of their opioids.
 
Kind of curious about this possibility after a pain fellowship (plus maybe some addiction training). Seems like a great way to ensure you're working with a more motivated patient cohort. Anyone have any thoughts?

Isn't most addiction medicine "concierge" these days?
 
By addiction treatment, I assume it is understood we are discussing buprenorphine medication management products, and not methadone, naltrexone, or strictly counseling. Concierge medicine typically involves a yearly "retainer fee" for concierge services, typically $1200-4000 per year. This is different than "cash pay" where the patient pays cash for the office visits. There are many problems when applying either of these to addiction medicine.
1. At least half to 2/3 of the patients are borderline homeless or in severe financial distress, therefore it makes it impossible for them to pay the up front fees of concierge addiction medicine. Depending on the locality, some will be able to afford cash pay while some will use only Medicaid accepting physicians.
2. Because they have the ability to sell the prescribed medications on the street, there is a fine line between cash pay for office visits and a criminal enterprise in which the physician may receive directly from the patient several times the rate that would be paid by insurers for the exact same service. The only way some of these patients can afford outlandish rates are by selling the drugs. The DEA is aware of this, and holds cash pay only physicians up as drug dealers in some situations. Some cash pay physicians charge $500-600 for an initial visit and $350 for subsequent visits- these rates paint a red target directly on the physician's back. Most physicians in my area with cash pay charge $350 for the initial visit and $200 for subsequent visits. To be safe, it is prudent to accept cash rates much lower than the going rate in the area if you wish to have some protection against a "cash for drugs enterprise" charge.
3. Some patients will go to a cash pay clinic due to the fact they were bounced out of an insurance accepting medical practice for nefarious reasons, including dirty drug screens (these patients are not paradigms of virtuous living), arrested for dealing, etc. The DEA and police follow these patients to their new supplier, and may engage in additional scrutiny of these clinics.
4. There is some concern a combination opioid prescribing pain practice/addiction practice is a self dealing revolving door. When possible, it may be better to have a reciprocal agreement with a like minded physician to cross refer the addiction patients for buprenorphine treatment. In any case, documenting such an arrangement was attempted, even if not successful, speaks loudly to your understanding of the concerns regarding the "revolving door"
5. If a person does not meet the DAST or DSM-V or COWs criteria for addiction treatment, consider a "Third Path" rather than kicking them completely out of medication management- convert to buprenorphine SL or nucynta for pain control if they are on the higher dosage meds, or Butrans if they are on lower dosages, and engage in more frequent followup visits- as often as every three days initially, then gradually extend this time period.
 
By addiction treatment, I assume it is understood we are discussing buprenorphine medication management products, and not methadone, naltrexone, or strictly counseling. Concierge medicine typically involves a yearly "retainer fee" for concierge services, typically $1200-4000 per year. This is different than "cash pay" where the patient pays cash for the office visits. There are many problems when applying either of these to addiction medicine.
1. At least half to 2/3 of the patients are borderline homeless or in severe financial distress, therefore it makes it impossible for them to pay the up front fees of concierge addiction medicine. Depending on the locality, some will be able to afford cash pay while some will use only Medicaid accepting physicians.
2. Because they have the ability to sell the prescribed medications on the street, there is a fine line between cash pay for office visits and a criminal enterprise in which the physician may receive directly from the patient several times the rate that would be paid by insurers for the exact same service. The only way some of these patients can afford outlandish rates are by selling the drugs. The DEA is aware of this, and holds cash pay only physicians up as drug dealers in some situations. Some cash pay physicians charge $500-600 for an initial visit and $350 for subsequent visits- these rates paint a red target directly on the physician's back. Most physicians in my area with cash pay charge $350 for the initial visit and $200 for subsequent visits. To be safe, it is prudent to accept cash rates much lower than the going rate in the area if you wish to have some protection against a "cash for drugs enterprise" charge.
3. Some patients will go to a cash pay clinic due to the fact they were bounced out of an insurance accepting medical practice for nefarious reasons, including dirty drug screens (these patients are not paradigms of virtuous living), arrested for dealing, etc. The DEA and police follow these patients to their new supplier, and may engage in additional scrutiny of these clinics.
4. There is some concern a combination opioid prescribing pain practice/addiction practice is a self dealing revolving door. When possible, it may be better to have a reciprocal agreement with a like minded physician to cross refer the addiction patients for buprenorphine treatment. In any case, documenting such an arrangement was attempted, even if not successful, speaks loudly to your understanding of the concerns regarding the "revolving door"
5. If a person does not meet the DAST or DSM-V or COWs criteria for addiction treatment, consider a "Third Path" rather than kicking them completely out of medication management- convert to buprenorphine SL or nucynta for pain control if they are on the higher dosage meds, or Butrans if they are on lower dosages, and engage in more frequent followup visits- as often as every three days initially, then gradually extend this time period.


I thought most Suboxone clinics are cash only these days with allowances for insurance to cover UDS/Medications?

Just google it and you'll see the vast majority of patients complaining that most providers won't take insurance to cover their office visits.
 
True...but not all suboxone clinics keep medications on site. There is an increasing number of docs and now NPs prescribing suboxone and taking insurance. In Florida, there are several docs that do not advertise themselves as providing addiction treatment, and provide this for their Medicaid patients.

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True...but not all suboxone clinics keep medications on site. There is an increasing number of docs and now NPs prescribing suboxone and taking insurance. In Florida, there are several docs that do not advertise themselves as providing addiction treatment, and provide this for their Medicaid patients.

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I really don't see anything egregious about charging out of pocket fees for a Suboxone clinic considering the excessive hassle these patients pose above a regular office visit that insurance covers. I don't see an office visit followup charge being sufficient to cover the hassle of these patients. That is largely why most physicians won't accept insurance for these patients especially Medicaid due to very low payments.

I also see no ethical issues with pain practice offering Suboxone to train wreck/drug addict patients that are referred from PCPs or Surgeons as an alternative. Whats the alternative for this patients if there are no other places willing to take them? The low number of physicians willing to manage these patients with Suboxone precludes treatment for many of these patients.

The only ethics issue that can develop is if you start prescribing them high dosages of narcotics and attempt to take them off for no reason to push them into Suboxone for cash.
 
Unfortunately there exist profiteering while continuing to maintain addiction with suboxone. Same with methadone clinics. One of our several local methadone clinics sees 1800 patients every day during a 4 hour period. That is one patient every 8 seconds for one doctor. Gross revenues are $36,000 a day or over $10 million a year. Methadone is cheap so profit is astronomical. If a suboxone doc did this they would quickly wind up in prison so indeed there is a dichotomy. Also can you ethically bill for a hassle factor? Consider psych, pets, and OB patients...

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Unfortunately there exist profiteering while continuing to maintain addiction with suboxone. Same with methadone clinics. One of our several local methadone clinics sees 1800 patients every day during a 4 hour period. That is one patient every 8 seconds for one doctor. Gross revenues are $36,000 a day or over $10 million a year. Methadone is cheap so profit is astronomical. If a suboxone doc did this they would quickly wind up in prison so indeed there is a dichotomy. Also can you ethically bill for a hassle factor? Consider psych, pets, and OB patients...

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Yeah thats just insane that one doc can pretend to see one patient every 8 seconds. Way too many patients for one doc.

That is why Suboxone restrictions to about 200-300 patients should be more than enough for one physician to see.
 
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