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I expected my top choice school to immediately reject me based on my MCAT score but I got invited to apply to their conditional acceptance program. They only invite a few people so I've got a really good shot. Problem is, this requires an additional year of classes and an MCAT retake or I don't join the MD class. I already have two DO acceptances so I'm not sure that would be a risk worth taking. I have one MD interview scheduled but tuition is high and I really don't like the new curriculum. I'm hoping for another MD invite but it's been real quiet lately. Any thoughts?
 
BeMD13 said:
I expected my top choice school to immediately reject me based on my MCAT score but I got invited to apply to their conditional acceptance program. They only invite a few people so I've got a really good shot. Problem is, this requires an additional year of classes and an MCAT retake or I don't join the MD class. I already have two DO acceptances so I'm not sure that would be a risk worth taking. I have one MD interview scheduled but tuition is high and I really don't like the new curriculum. I'm hoping for another MD invite but it's been real quiet lately. Any thoughts?
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How high is the MCAT requirement? In other words, is it realistic for you? How many points gain is required?

The extra year of classes will be beneficial for you no matter how you slice it, making medical school easier. But an extra year -- time and money... How much?

If you meet their MCAT hurdle and do satisfactorily in their classes, is it an automatic in? Or a "We'll take another look" ?

My inclination (without these answers) is to see if the DO schools will let you defer a year.
 
DokterMom said:
How high is the MCAT requirement? In other words, is it realistic for you? How many points gain is required?

The extra year of classes will be beneficial for you no matter how you slice it, making medical school easier. But an extra year -- time and money... How much?

If you meet their MCAT hurdle and do satisfactorily in their classes, is it an automatic in? Or a "We'll take another look" ?

My inclination (without these answers) is to see if the DO schools will let you defer a year.
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That is a really good idea about deferring at the DO schools. Could I explain this situation though as my reason? I don't think they would like hearing that they are second choice to MD even though everyone knows it is a real issue. The MCAT requirement is about a point higher than what I got and yes, it is a definite acceptance if you meet it. However, I am in my 3os and would like to get started as soon as possible. The tuition would be in state so another year at about 34,000 plus living expenses.
 
BeMD13 said:
That is a really good idea about deferring at the DO schools. Could I explain this situation though as my reason? I don't think they would like hearing that they are second choice to MD even though everyone knows it is a real issue. The MCAT requirement is about a point higher than what I got and yes, it is a definite acceptance if you meet it. However, I am in my 3os and would like to get started as soon as possible. The tuition would be in state so another year at about 34,000 plus living expenses.
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You need to give specific numbers. Whatbare the GPA and MCAT requirements?
 
How badly do you want to be a doctor?

How badly do you want to be an MD?

If the latter is important, drop the DO acceptances, and go all out for what it takes to get into this MD school.

I really do NOT want to see yet another "DO now or MD later" thread.

BTW, it is a pre-med delusion that one can simply defer from a med school, like you can call an Uber ride. You 'd better have a damn good reason, like your mom having cancer. Again, if you don't want to be a DO, drop the accepts and give the seats to someone who really wants to be a doctor now. And many MD schools will ask in secondaries "Have you been accepted anywhere else?"
 
What are your career goals? Where do you plan on practicing?
 
libertyyne said:
What are your career goals? Where do you plan on practicing?
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I'm honestly not really sure. Everyone keeps telling me that since I am in the Midwest, if I do primary care, it really won't matter that much. I'm fairly comfortable with that but I hate the idea of potentially limiting myself when I am not 100% certain.
 
BeMD13 said:
I'm honestly not really sure. Everyone keeps telling me that since I am in the Midwest, if I do primary care, it really won't matter that much. I'm fairly comfortable with that but I hate the idea of potentially limiting myself when I am not 100% certain.
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You are gonna really limit yourself if this provisional acceptance doesn't work out. You will also be losing a year in a physician salary plus the cost to retake/study the MCAT as well as take these additional classes.

Edit: Also, unless you are going to try to go into an ultra competitive residency (ortho, radiology, derm, etc.) It won't matter if you go to a DO vs a MD.
 
wingboi said:
Don't be an idiot... accept the conditional acceptance..



Don't let the SDN Hivemind oversell DO to you. It's a back entry into being a real MD physician devised to ensure primary care physicians don't disappear altogether as smarter peers pursue more intelligent and competitive specialties. Do you really want to be looked down upon by your peers? (SDN will tell you they aren't, but go ask an MD (not a nonphysician like goro) what his opinion of his DO colleagues are). My university physician professors sure make us understand that sharing residencies with them is sad and tarnishes the MD prestige.

Do you really want to be limited to primary care? Do you really want to learn hippie holistic approaches to medicine? Go ask anyone you know if they know what DO is. They'll tell you "what?".
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Lol, joined: today... :troll:
 
wingboi said:
Don't be an idiot... accept the conditional acceptance..



Don't let the SDN Hivemind oversell DO to you. It's a back entry into being a real MD physician devised to ensure primary care physicians don't disappear altogether as smarter peers pursue more intelligent and competitive specialties. Do you really want to be looked down upon by your peers? (SDN will tell you they aren't, but go ask an MD (not a nonphysician like goro) what his opinion of his DO colleagues are). My university physician professors sure make us understand that sharing residencies with them is sad and tarnishes the MD prestige.

Do you really want to be limited to primary care? Do you really want to learn hippie holistic approaches to medicine? Go ask anyone you know if they know what DO is. They'll tell you "what?".
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10/10 for railing against the SDN hive mind in the most SDN way possible

-2 for being a prick

8/10
 
AnatomyGrey12 said:
Lol, joined: today... :troll:
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long time viewer, first thread to annoy me enough to make an account...

tskiihii said:
You can't actually be real. I mean, I am all for MD over DO if the opportunity presents but what? Smart people don't go into primary care? Who even says things like these? On the bright side, I needed a good laugh and this certainly delivered.
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Very few intelligent people choose to pursue primary care over a specialty.. Look up trends... Over the years more and more people going into specialty while people have been shortchanging primary care. It really is a zombie job that could be replaced by NP's.... or DO's..
 
wingboi said:
long time viewer, first thread to annoy me enough to make an account...



Very few intelligent people choose to pursue primary care over a specialty.. Look up trends... Over the years more and more people going into specialty while people have been shortchanging primary care. It really is a zombie job that could be replaced by NP's.... or DO's..
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Define "intelligent people."
 
i'd roll the dice if i were you but im young and have relatively high risk tolerance (i think).
 
tskiihii said:
This is such a ridiculous mindset. What is the definition of intelligent here exactly? So all thousands of students in MD schools who go into primary care which, by the way is more than family medicine, are less intelligent? You also do know that there are DO schools with higher GPA and mcat requirement than some MD schools right? Also lets take KCU for example, their average step one score is about 229-230 which is right on par with MD average so because it is DO its students are less intelligent? What kind of logic is this?
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Yes, if you consider rosalind franklin a true MD school. It resembles a Caribbean diploma mill more than a respectable US Allopathic Institution. If not less intelligent, they are the equivalent of an unmotivated, lazy idiot more concerned with feeding his id than he is of being a respectable physician with an MD and discipline.


AnatomyGrey12 said:
Just ignore him. He outed himself as a troll when he said this thread is what annoyed him to make an account, there is literally nothing in this thread that is even close to being that kind of thing.
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lol. If you don't think a bunch of people telling someone to choose DO over a conditional MD acceptance isn't annoying, then you must be another idiot conformist or naive little boy.
Edit; Nvm, LizzyM 66. No wonder.
Edit 2: I'm not a troll lol.
 
wingboi said:
Yes, if you consider rosalind franklin a true MD school. It resembles a Caribbean diploma mill more than a respectable US Allopathic Institution. If not less intelligent, they are the equivalent of an unmotivated, lazy idiot more concerned with feeding his id than he is of being a respectable physician with an MD and discipline.



lol. If you don't think a bunch of people telling someone to choose DO over a conditional MD acceptance isn't annoying, then you must be another idiot conformist or naive little boy.
Edit; Nvm, LizzyM 66. No wonder.
Edit 2: I'm not a troll lol.
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Why do you have to be so rude. This place is harsh enough as it is without you denigrating an entire career path.
 
as an attending ER MD physician. MD or DO you will be called doctor. ortho, ent, uro, derm, optho will be more difficult. But most people who enter these fields know so at the start of med school. Id go the DO route if youre in your 30s. bird in the hand...

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Endoxifen said:
Why do you have to be so rude. This place is harsh enough as it is without you denigrating an entire career path.
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A backdoor for the less equipped whom become inefficient physicians. I've worked with many DO's (Used to manage a clinic with a few of them working for the clinic). It seems that they're too busy feeling entitled and insecure to actually do their jobs. What would take the MD's 8 minutes would take the DO's 16. For god's sake, the NP's were quicker. Then the DO's would complain about how difficult their job is while the MD's show no exhaustion on their faces.

Try managing a place with DO's hired. It really shows you the lack of discipline it takes for them to not be able to get into an MD and go for the lower standard. (AND YES this is why I'm So hard to please... Rosalind Franklin graduated physicians act the same as their DO peers in the work place. Entitled, annoying, stupid.)

That's only talking about efficiency. My god, you should see how intelligently the MD's used to run their days, while the DO's would be confused and all over the place. It was hilarious but terrible for me as the manager.
 
wingboi said:
A backdoor for the less equipped whom become inefficient physicians. I've worked with many DO's (Used to manage a clinic with a few of them working for the clinic). It seems that they're too busy feeling entitled and insecure to actually do their jobs. What would take the MD's 8 minutes would take the DO's 16. For god's sake, the NP's were quicker. Then the DO's would complain about how difficult their job is while the MD's show no exhaustion on their faces.

Try managing a place with DO's hired. It really shows you the lack of discipline it takes for them to not be able to get into an MD and go for the lower standard. (AND YES this is why I'm So hard to please... Rosalind Franklin graduated physicians act the same as their DO peers in the work place. Entitled, annoying, stupid.)

That's only talking about efficiency. My god, you should see how intelligently the MD's used to run their days, while the DO's would be confused and all over the place. It was hilarious but terrible for me as the manager.
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Lol you sound like someone just took your lunch money away. For someone who's making claims about DOs being entitled and annoying you sure are being a hypocrite.
 
RamsFan&FutureDO said:
Lol you sound like someone just took your lunch money away. For someone who's making claims about DOs being entitled and annoying you sure are being a hypocrite.
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Says the future DO whiner. I expect high quality employees, not your lot.
 
RamsFan&FutureDO said:
Great who would want to work for someone like you?
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Typical DO response. Delusional and unaware of what is expected of them in the real world because they coasted their undisciplined lives into 2nd tier status.
 
wingboi said:
Typical DO response. Delusional and unaware of what is expected of them in the real world because they coasted their undisciplined lives into 2nd tier status.
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Are you even a physician?

Scratch that question I'm not getting in a pissing match with you. Do us all a favor and go back to observing since you don't add anything with your bitter comments.
 
OP if you truly wish to go into a competitive specialty I'd take that conditional acceptance. If not go to one of the DO programs you're accepted to and go on down the road
 
tskiihii said:
Maybe we should all run our school lists by you for your approval and you can do an open letter to LCME about how some of their med schools aren't up to your standards while we are at it.
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lool, considering rosalind franklin had to rename its school because of loss of accreditation destroying its reputation for a number of years... I'm sure LCME is doing a fine job. You need idiots to enter DO and sustain primary care path.

AnatomyGrey12 said:
Right.... 🙄
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inferiority complex? Edit: Nvm, should've figured. Lizzym66.
 
wingboi said:
lool, considering rosalind franklin had to rename its school because of loss of accreditation destroying its reputation for a number of years... I'm sure LCME is doing a fine job. You need idiots to enter DO and sustain primary care path.


inferiority complex?
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Yes idiots can pass medical school curriculums...I'm sure your fellow classmates love your cynical self. Peace out grumpy️
 
wingboi said:
lool, considering rosalind franklin had to rename its school because of loss of accreditation destroying its reputation for a number of years... I'm sure LCME is doing a fine job. You need idiots to enter DO and sustain primary care path.


inferiority complex? Edit: Nvm, should've figured. Lizzym66.
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We're all on the same team. Lets not discriminate against ourselves.
 
RamsFan&FutureDO said:
Yes idiots can pass medical school curriculums...I'm sure your fellow classmates love your cynical self. Peace out grumpy️
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considering 10% of you dont graduate, and another unknown sum dont match... which will only get worse once the residency merger happens... wouldn't really call it passing? even idiots can work hard enough to pass.. it's not like the curriculum is hard.. it just requires 8-12 hours dedication of studying. Basically like a full time job..
 
wingboi said:
Or.. Perhaps.. I'm surrounded by 22-26 year old med students whom I am good friends with? And good for you, 'boi', I'm proud of your "deduction" skills.


You have a LizzyM of 73. 7 II's, 1 of which you got rejected from and 1 of which you got waitlisted in... I'm certain I'm not the sad one here.
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Stop with these personal attacks. This is a forum for constructive criticism, not petty arguments.
 
Wow, you're so high and mighty in your Top 10 M.D school. I'm going to mention your username the next time I'm at the bar with my dumb nursing and P.A friends to see if they shake at the mention of you. I honestly aspire to be just like you. I'll make sure they blow up the font on my white coat when I start practicing to make sure people don't mistake me for anything else. Hell, I'll just tell them to put big M.D letters on the back of a varsity jacket and sport that instead.

wingboi said:
long time viewer, first thread to annoy me enough to make an account...



Very few intelligent people choose to pursue primary care over a specialty.. Look up trends... Over the years more and more people going into specialty while people have been shortchanging primary care. It really is a zombie job that could be replaced by NP's.... or DO's..
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Kpw101 said:
Hell, I'll just tell them to put big M.D letters on the back of a varsity jacket and sport that instead.
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Please man, have some respect for your degree. It had better be a freaking tattoo that covers your whole chest, complete with school insignia on your back. In color. Then your step score on your right bicep and MCAT score on the left, with GPA down both forearms. :cigar:
 
AnatomyGrey12 said:
Please man, have some respect for your degree. It had better be a freaking tattoo that covers your whole chest, complete with school insignia on your back. In color. Then your step score on your right bicep and MCAT score on the left, with GPA down both forearms. :cigar:
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Why stop there? I'm personally going for a face tattoo. If my body is found floating in the Hudson, I don't want anyone to be confused about my profession.
 
Kpw101 said:
You're right, sorry. I've been hanging out with too many low-mid level health care professionals that I forgot how to think.
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You should be careful, I hear it's contagious. I would know, I'm studying to become an MD.
 
wingboi said:
I have the utmost respect for PA and Nurses/NP's. They are underpaid, efficient, hard workers. The fact that you mention them as someone you would think I think is low on the food chain is pathetic and shows your implicit bias and feelings of superiority towards them. Try to live without them in the field.. DO's on the other hand will eventually be replaced with cheaper NP's that can do their primary care jobs for cheaper and less bitching. "I'm a physician.. this is below my pay gradeeee. you expect sooo much from meeee" No. You're a doctor of Osteopathic medicine. Poorly qualified to even practice.
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Jeeze I'm surprised the "top 10" school that accepted you didn't see through your superiority complex
 
wingboi said:
I have the utmost respect for PA and Nurses/NP's. They are underpaid, efficient, hard workers. The fact that you mention them as someone you would think I think is low on the food chain is pathetic and shows your implicit bias and feelings of superiority towards them. Try to live without them in the field.. DO's on the other hand will eventually be replaced with cheaper NP's that can do their primary care jobs for cheaper and less bitching. "I'm a physician.. this is below my pay gradeeee. you expect sooo much from meeee" No. You're a doctor of Osteopathic medicine. Poorly qualified to even practice.
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You're absolutely right. I've been holding these feelings of superiority towards my parents for so long. How dare they settle for such a lowly health care profession when they have a child of my caliber.
 
wingboi said:
I don't know why you keep mentioning top 10. Are you seriously that insecure about it? I only got in because of my extensive background in health care management. I'm no where near as extraordinary as the rest of my peers.


Is this the same fallacious argument people use when saying they aren't racist? "I'm not racist, my friend is black"
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I'm just highlighting my feelings of superiority like you have this entire thread.
 
wingboi said:
I don't know why you keep mentioning top 10. Are you seriously that insecure about it? I only got in because of my extensive background in health care management. I'm no where near as extraordinary as the rest of my peers.


Is this the same fallacious argument people use when saying they aren't racist? "I'm not racist, my friend is black"
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That was the first time I replied to you hah. And you were the one who decided to mention you went to a top 10 in the first place.
 

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