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Do I apply to the next cycle after retaking the mcat?


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Dear doctors and future doctors,

I am a 30yo male applicant to the previous cycle. To cut straight to the crux of it, I will not be admitted to the next class at any institution and it’s a daily battle of feeling inspired to face the adversity of my situation and feeling helpless and the verge of giving up. I graduated from a university last year and completed two degree programs in three years. I received a bachelor’s in science - biology gpa 3.3 and a bachelor’s in psychology 3.6. I have been active in my extra curriculars holding titles of Vice President and president of Pre professional clubs as an undergraduate. I’ve gained over 300 hours of shadowing physicians and surgeons. I have more than 4000 hours working in healthcare with direct patient care. I continue to volunteer in my community helping free clinics and special needs programs. I have 6 stellar letters of references that anyone would be fortunate to hang their hat on (2 from esteemed undergraduate faculty members that teach professional courses and are nationally renowned, 1 from a family of a particular individual that I have helped throughout the years, 2 from doctors that I have worked with closely in the past, and one from a colleague that manages a community program for special needs), and I have a 495 on the mcat. When I graduated high school, I took classes at a community college and did poorly in math and science. I repeated courses and failed many times before making up for it later in my education. As a result, my application in AMCAS looks obscure. My first year has 3 credits. Second, has 1 credit. Third has 23 credits. And forth year has 150 credits. My cumulative gpa calculated by AMCAS bcpm 2.15 ao 2.83 and total 2.50 resulting from the courses I took in community college. I have a chance to admit straight into a accelerated nursing program and I can finally leave my parents home. I have taken steps attend a masters program in cancer biology and planned to apply to md PhD programs as well as md programs in the future but after speaking with counselors from the university, I would be better off not aspiring to the md PhD programs. I realize that the students that are admitted have 4.0 gpas and are in the 90th percentile on the mcat but I consider myself an exceptional applicant despite the pitfalls of the application. I have taken steps to retake the mcat and I score 510 and above on practice emcats. The first time I rushed it so that I could apply to the past cycle. I have since been working in the anatomy laboratory teaching professional students how to dissect and overcome their challenges in learning the material. I have been published in 2 peer reviewed papers and in a book for advanced anatomy. But, I honestly just feel pathetic and each day that I spend studying for the mcat... I feel more and more worthless. My parents have no idea what it takes to apply to med school so it’s no help looking to them for support (first gen student) and after I moved back from out of state, I’ve lost all my friends... and spent the past 8 years overcoming the challenges that I have faced as a student.....so I feel alone. I just feel like I have put all this work into everything and now I’m just throwing it aside to do nursing because it’s the fastest route to a paycheck, but believe me, I have educated myself on all the ways that I could still do well in my career like CRNA, NP, RN FA. Oh by the way, I have 3 dollars to my name after applying to the previous AMCAS cycle and I am ineligible for financial aid because my parents home is in the one of the richest areas in the US but I’m not asking them for money, they’ve done enough for me. I work in the hospital running a pediatric program that I have designed with the help of PTs and OTs throughout the years. So I can make the money to retake the mcat and apply for the next cycle but after speaking with the counselor about md PhD, and getting rejection letters - I wonder if it is worth it. The only thing I want in life is to be a surgeon. And when I think of taking the plunge to be an RN, I just feel like I have failed. I have read all the supporting forums and the many kind and reassuring posts on not feeling like a failure... they were helpful. But, it’s like trying to not feel like an addict if an I had suffered from alcoholism or addiction or something. Because I did poorly in community college in 2007, I am no longer eligible to be a competitive candidate? I know a 510 score on the Mcat will improve things but I hesitate to do it given the situation, age, and everything else working against me.Any comments are appreciated. And please be as forthcoming as possible. If you feel like I am not as qualified applicant as I have thought myself to be - don’t hesitate to tell me whyI really just want to make the best decisison for myself because, dealing with this and not discussing it aloud with others is taking it’s toll.
 
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Wait, you applied with an cGPA of 1.3 and an MCAT of 495?

Retaking the MCAT is obvious. You never should have applied with a 495.

With that GPA, you need an SMP if you ever want to be a doctor. Even so, with your GPA those programs could be weary too.
 
Yes. While the average student matriculates with a undergraduate gpa or =<3.5gpa it’s not unheard of to admit someone with a undergrad cumulative that shows improvement. I obtained two undergraduates and had <3.3 in both. I have seen 495 mcat scores matriculate as well. I realized it was a long shot but given my age, I wanted to try.
 
Also, I felt that the events that I have facilated for my community as well as the many other experiences, statement and recommendations would help. I realize that admission committees sort though applications in mcat gpa extracurriculars format. But, I had hope.‍
 
You definitely need to have higher mcat and GPA. Upward GPA trend is not enough when you’re GPA is below 2. You should presue a SMP and retake MCAT with the goal of getting at least >510. Otherwise, you would be wasting your money by applying again. Good luck!
 
Yes. While the average student matriculates with a undergraduate gpa or =<3.5gpa it’s not unheard of to admit someone with a undergrad cumulative that shows improvement. I obtained two undergraduates and had <3.3 in both. I have seen 495 mcat scores matriculate as well. I realized it was a long shot but given my age, I wanted to try.
You may have seen 495 matriculate, but that is only 219 applicants out of 95,000 in the last 2 years. And for your GPA/MCAT as calculated by AMCAS, there was one acceptance in the last 2 years.

Your 3.3 in a biology major is not very impressive to make up for something like 2 years of failing grades? And the 3.6 in the psychology degree is irrelevant.

On top of that, you now have the stigma of being a reapplicant. Retaking the MCAT will not help you. Optimism is great, but optimism without statistical support is just ignorance. You should not reapply.

If you can find an SMP with guaranteed acceptance/interview that will take you, then that is likely your only shot.
 
If my AMCAS bcpm was 2.15? Would mcat be relevant... sorry for being inaccurate with that AMCAS gpa earlier. I was just speaking “ off the cuff “. Bcpm =2.15 ao 2.83 and total 2.50

You may have seen 495 matriculate, but that is only 219 applicants out of 95,000 in the last 2 years. And for your GPA/MCAT as calculated by AMCAS, there was one acceptance in the last 2 years.

Your 3.3 in a biology major is not very impressive to make up for something like 2 years of failing grades? And the 3.6 in the psychology degree is irrelevant.

On top of that, you now have the stigma of being a reapplicant. Retaking the MCAT will not help you. Optimism is great, but optimism without statistical support is just ignorance. You should not reapply.

If you can find an SMP with guaranteed acceptance/interview that will take you, then that is likely your only shot.
 
If my AMCAS bcpm was 2.15? Would mcat be relevant... sorry for being inaccurate with that AMCAS gpa earlier. I was just speaking “ off the cuff “. Bcpm =2.15 ao 2.83 and total 2.50

A 2.15 is still terrible. Average matriculant into USMD schools is~3.7, average MCAT ~511

No MCAT score would make anyone look past a GPA like that. Even your degrees have lower than average GPAs tied to them.
 
I appreciate the podiatry suggestion. If I did the SMP and mcat at 510, I would still be a less competitive applicant than someone who 4.0 gpa straight out of high school? Does persistence and determination mean nothing here?
 
Dear doctors and future doctors,

I am a 30yo male applicant to the previous cycle. To cut straight to the crux of it, I will not be admitted to the next class at any institution and it’s a daily battle of feeling inspired to face the adversity of my situation and feeling helpless and the verge of giving up. I graduated from a university last year and completed two degree programs in four years. I received a bachelor’s in science - biology gpa 3.3 and a bachelor’s in psychology 3.6. I have been active in my extra curriculars holding titles of Vice President and president of Pre professional clubs as an undergraduate. I’ve gained over 300 hours of shadowing physicians and surgeons. I have more than 4000 hours working in healthcare with direct patient care. I continue to volunteer in my community helping free clinics and special needs programs. I have 6 stellar letters of references that anyone would be fortunate to hang their hat on (2 from esteemed undergraduate faculty members that teach professional courses and are nationally renowned, 1 from a family of a particular individual that I have helped throughout the years, 2 from doctors that I have worked with closely in the past, and one from a colleague that manages a community program for special needs), and I have a 495 on the mcat. When I graduated high school, I took classes at a community college and did poorly in math and science. I repeated courses and failed many times before making up for it later in my education. As a result, my application in AMCAS looks obscure. My first year has 3 credits. Second, has 1 credit. Third has 23 credits. And forth year has 150 credits. My cumulative gpa calculated by AMCAS bcpm 2.15 ao 2.83 and total 2.50 resulting from the courses I took in community college. I have a chance to admit straight into a accelerated nursing program and I can finally leave my parents home. I have taken steps attend a masters program in cancer biology and planned to apply to md PhD programs as well as md programs in the future but after speaking with counselors from the university, I would be better off not aspiring to the md PhD programs. I realize that the students that are admitted have 4.0 gpas and are in the 90th percentile on the mcat but I consider myself an exceptional applicant despite the pitfalls of the application. I have taken steps to retake the mcat and I score 510 and above on practice emcats. The first time I rushed it so that I could apply to the past cycle. I have since been working in the anatomy laboratory teaching professional students how to dissect and overcome their challenges in learning the material. I have been published in 2 peer reviewed papers and in a book for advanced anatomy. But, I honestly just feel pathetic and each day that I spend studying for the mcat... I feel more and more worthless. My parents have no idea what it takes to apply to med school so it’s no help looking to them for support (first gen student) and after I moved back from out of state, I’ve lost all my friends... and spent the past 8 years overcoming the challenges that I have faced as a student.....so I feel alone. I just feel like I have put all this work into everything and now I’m just throwing it aside to do nursing because it’s the fastest route to a paycheck, but believe me, I have educated myself on all the ways that I could still do well in my career like CRNA, NP, RN FA. Oh by the way, I have 3 dollars to my name after applying to the previous AMCAS cycle and I am ineligible for financial aid because my parents home is in the one of the richest areas in the US but I’m not asking them for money, they’ve done enough for me. I work in the hospital running a pediatric program that I have designed with the help of PTs and OTs throughout the years. So I can make the money to retake the mcat and apply for the next cycle but after speaking with the counselor about md PhD, and getting rejection letters - I wonder if it is worth it. The only thing I want in life is to be a surgeon. And when I think of taking the plunge to be an RN, I just feel like I have failed. I have read all the supporting forums and the many kind and reassuring posts on not feeling like a failure... they were helpful. But, it’s like trying to not feel like an addict if an I had suffered from alcoholism or addiction or something. Because I did poorly in community college in 2007, I am no longer eligible to be a competitive candidate? I know a 510 score on the Mcat will improve things but I hesitate to do it given the situation, age, and everything else working against me.Any comments are appreciated. And please be as forthcoming as possible. If you feel like I am not as qualified applicant as I have thought myself to be - don’t hesitate to tell me whyI really just want to make the best decisison for myself because, dealing with this and not discussing it aloud with others is taking it’s toll.
You should have never applied with a 495 MCAT. Figure out if you actually want medicine or not. Nursing and medicine serve completely different roles.

If you want medicine, do a SMP and earn only As. Raise the MCAT and take all the AAMC FLs *after* you've finished all your other material to see what range you'd likely score in.
 
I appreciate the podiatry suggestion. If I did the SMP and mcat at 510, I would still be a less competitive applicant than someone who 4.0 gpa straight out of high school? Does persistence and determination mean nothing here?
Persistence means something if it comes with results. Your ECs look nice but you need to show academically that you can handle medical school curriculum.

I'm not saying this standing from a pedestal. I had a trash GPA freshman year and I had to work upwards to be in a somewhat safe zone.
 
Does persistence and determination mean nothing here?

Unfortunately not. Our scholastic system is built around grade demarcations and exam scores. We are mostly viewed as the sum of our academic records.

Does this mean the system lets capable applicants fall through the cracks? ............. Absolutely. But, the system does usually know who can survive medical school and become a practicing physician. I'd venture that the crack fallers are rare as hens teeth.

In your position, if you are really wanting a health career, I would seriously look at podiatry school. Or a BSN program with eventual upgrade to DNP or CRNA.
 
Podiatry programs might take you.

No idea if you'll actually finish. If your biology degree finished was a 3.3 with a 495 MCAT, you'll get invites and will be fine.

No, this will not replace your dream of being an MD/PhD/whatever the hell you were envisioning.
But it is a fulfilling career if you go in with realistic expectations and have seen all of the pros and cons this profession has to offer.

Another thing: Your ECs, persistence, determination, are absolute horse s*** if your grades do not show it. I do not care that you graduated with 2 B.S. degrees in 4 years. I do not care if you were president of 10 clubs or if you are 30 and have only 5 dollars to your account because you are ineligible for financial aid since your parents live in a rich area (are they still filing you as a dependent at age 30? A bit confused here).

You need to eat a slice of humble pie and look objectively at your file.
Your grades were below average for an MD/DO acceptance.
Your MCAT was below average for an MD/DO acceptance.
Those 2 factors alone should have stopped you from applying to MD programs. Especially after receiving your calculated bcpm of 2.15 (for real?).

Your counselors did you a huge disservice by not reviewing your file before you decided to apply. If you did not get a second opinion before applying, that is totally on you bud.
 
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If you calculate your GPA by year, what does it look like?

A 2.15 is fatal if they don't look any further, but 3 years of 3.7+ (in addition to a good MCAT) could persuade someone to read long enough to give you a chance.
 
Podiatrist can earn between 100k to 200k on average. Im sure if savvy 300k
 
If my AMCAS bcpm was 2.15? Would mcat be relevant... sorry for being inaccurate with that AMCAS gpa earlier. I was just speaking “ off the cuff “. Bcpm =2.15 ao 2.83 and total 2.50
Lethal for med school, period. It's a waste of time now for you to take the MCAT; you need to salvage that GPA. That means, you need to prove that you can handle med school.

Read this:
Goro's advice for pre-meds who need reinvention
 
I appreciate your reply and thank you for your honesty. I thought my post elucidated a humble approach but I understand it may be difficult see it through text. Also, I made enough money prior to attending my undergraduate to put myself through school and pay for medical school applications and now I’m spent. I included it because I was trying to open to a community of peers or what I thought may be peers but clearly you think low of me. Never the less, again, thank you for your feedback.


Podiatry programs might take you.

No idea if you'll actually finish. If your biology degree finished was a 3.3 with a 495 MCAT, you'll get invites and will be fine.

No, this will not replace your dream of being an MD/PhD/whatever the hell you were envisioning.
But it is a fulfilling career if you go in with realistic expectations and have seen all of the pros and cons this profession has to offer.

Another thing: Your ECs, persistence, determination, are absolute horse s*** if your grades do not show it. I do not care that you graduated with 2 B.S. degrees in 4 years. I do not care if you were president of 10 clubs or if you are 30 and have only 5 dollars to your account because you are ineligible for financial aid since your parents live in a rich area (are they still filing you as a dependent at age 30? A bit confused here).

You need to eat a slice of humble pie and look objectively at your file.
Your grades were below average for an MD/DO acceptance.
Your MCAT was below average for an MD/DO acceptance.
Those 2 factors alone should have stopped you from applying to MD programs. Especially after receiving your calculated bcpm of 2.15 (for real?).

Your counselors did you a huge disservice by not reviewing your file before you decided to apply. If you did not get a second opinion before applying, that is totally on you bud.
Podiatry programs might take you.

No idea if you'll actually finish. If your biology degree finished was a 3.3 with a 495 MCAT, you'll get invites and will be fine.

No, this will not replace your dream of being an MD/PhD/whatever the hell you were envisioning.
But it is a fulfilling career if you go in with realistic expectations and have seen all of the pros and cons this profession has to offer.

Another thing: Your ECs, persistence, determination, are absolute horse s*** if your grades do not show it. I do not care that you graduated with 2 B.S. degrees in 4 years. I do not care if you were president of 10 clubs or if you are 30 and have only 5 dollars to your account because you are ineligible for financial aid since your parents live in a rich area (are they still filing you as a dependent at age 30? A bit confused here).

You need to eat a slice of humble pie and look objectively at your file.
Your grades were below average for an MD/DO acceptance.
Your MCAT was below average for an MD/DO acceptance.
Those 2 factors alone should have stopped you from applying to MD programs. Especially after receiving your calculated bcpm of 2.15 (for real?).

Your counselors did you a huge disservice by not reviewing your file before you decided to apply. If you did not get a second opinion before applying, that is totally on you bud.
 
I appreciate your reply and thank you for your honesty. I thought my post elucidated a humble approach but I understand it may be difficult see it through text. Also, I made enough money prior to attending my undergraduate to put myself through school and pay for medical school applications and now I’m spent. I included it because I was trying to open to a community of peers or what I thought may be peers but clearly you think low of me. Never the less, again, thank you for your feedback.
No one thinks low of you at this point. Naive, but certainly not any lesser of a person.

Just because everyone else is open to giving you the reality you seem too blind to see doesn’t mean that we think lower of you. You were ignorant of your application potential, we have informed you that it is zero. You continue to be in disbelief, so we cannot help you.
 
I appreciate your reply and thank you for your honesty. I thought my post elucidated a humble approach but I understand it may be difficult see it through text. Also, I made enough money prior to attending my undergraduate to put myself through school and pay for medical school applications and now I’m spent. I included it because I was trying to open to a community of peers or what I thought may be peers but clearly you think low of me. Never the less, again, thank you for your feedback.

I apologize for using rough language. I may have not given you enough credit.

I do not think lowly of you. I am thinking about the coming neurology final, pharm midterm, and how slowly I am getting things done right now by even typing this and getting distracted. Enough with the woe-is-me man. You can be so much better than this.

You seem to be a great guy with a very good work ethic, but if the results do not translate to paper, they do not mean anything and whining about it helps no one. I read through your entire post and saw a lot of bad decision making and maybe a few excuses.

I had low stats, eventually had to shut up, work hard, and let the results speak for themselves.
I am happy where I'm at and understood before doing any sort of graduate program that I would not be competitive for MD/DO. So I focused my attention at realistic end goals.

If you want another shot at MD/DO, retake your MCAT and kill an SMP. Listen to what @Goro and the other posters have suggested. Maybe that + compelling personal statement, some DO programs will take you.

You are 30. Let your hard work and maturity speak for itself.
 
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Community college
- 1.45 (3 courses; 11 credits)
- 4.0 (6 courses; 18 credits)
- 1.19 (8 courses; 28 credits)
- 1.16 (7 courses; 19 credits)
- 2.76 (7 courses; 26 credits)
- 1.67 (7 courses; 12 credits)
- 0.0 ( 2 courses; 8 credits)
- 2.09 ( 7 courses; 22 credits)
University
- 2.93 (10 courses; 30 credits)
- 3.05 (14 courses; 39 credits)
- 3.35 (25 courses; 62 credits)
Thank you doktermom this really helps illustrate how my application is seen. It also shows me the gap between how I saw myself in the application and that application itself(grades/performance)

If you calculate your GPA by year, what does it look like?

A 2.15 is fatal if they don't look any further, but 3 years of 3.7+ (in addition to a good MCAT) could persuade someone to read long enough to give you a chance.
 
Thank you. Good luck on your exams.

I apologize for using rough language. I may have not given you enough credit.

I do not think lowly of you. I am thinking about the coming neurology final, pharm midterm, and how slowly I am getting things done right now by even typing this and getting distracted. Enough with the woe-is-me man. You can be so much better than this.

You seem to be a great guy with a very good work ethic, but if the results do not translate to paper, they do not mean anything and whining about it helps no one. I read through your entire post and saw a lot of bad decision making and maybe a few excuses.

I had low stats, eventually had to shut up, work hard, and let the results speak for themselves.
I am happy where I'm at and understood before doing any sort of graduate program that I would not be competitive for MD/DO. So I focused my attention at realistic end goals.

If you want another shot at MD/DO, retake your MCAT and kill an SMP. Listen to what @Goro and the other posters have suggested. Maybe that + compelling personal statement, some DO programs will take you.

You are 30. Let your hard work and maturity speak for itself.
 
I am not in disbelief. I have been receptive to all these suggestions. I was speaking to the potential future applications when I was comparing myself to future applicants that follow the traditional route. I am extremely appreciative of all the suggestions and will plan to correct my application by taking to steps to properly show my academic potential. My application was very unlike the majority. I just did my best to explain it succinctly while also being open with my emotions about the difficulty of the application process. It is quite clear that my application was not even close to what admission committees expect to see. I suppose I hoped they would see my abilities to date and the ability to overcome my academic difficulties in the past.
No one thinks low of you at this point. Naive, but certainly not any lesser of a person.

Just because everyone else is open to giving you the reality you seem too blind to see doesn’t mean that we think lower of you. You were ignorant of your application potential, we have informed you that it is zero. You continue to be in disbelief, so we cannot help you.
 
Thank you Qrtpcr.
You definitely need to have higher mcat and GPA. Upward GPA trend is not enough when you’re GPA is below 2. You should presue a SMP and retake MCAT with the goal of getting at least >510. Otherwise, you would be wasting your money by applying again. Good luck!
 
Thank you ciestar.
A 2.15 is still terrible. Average matriculant into USMD schools is~3.7, average MCAT ~511

No MCAT score would make anyone look past a GPA like that. Even your degrees have lower than average GPAs tied to them.
 
Thank you sunbodi.
Persistence means something if it comes with results. Your ECs look nice but you need to show academically that you can handle medical school curriculum.

I'm not saying this standing from a pedestal. I had a trash GPA freshman year and I had to work upwards to be in a somewhat safe zone.
 
Not sure if this conversation is over already, but I'd like to add something. For background, I applied twice. I have a cGPA of 3.5 and a sGPA of 3.3. My MCAT was fortunately a 516.

Like I said, I didn't get in on my first cycle. "Why?" I thought, "I'm a super smart guy - look at that 516. What's wrong with these schools? My senior year was a 3.99, isn't that good enough to make up for my GPA?"

I was pretty resentful of people who had it together when they started college. But I eventually realized I had been lazy and didn't apply myself. Med schools are trying to pick the people who are going to make the best doctors they can put out. With that in mind, it was pretty hard to think why a school should accept me over someone with a 4.0 and a good MCAT.

The biggest risk med schools take is that every student they admit could flunk-out or burn-out and be a loss of resources and a space for someone who would have finished. You have to show schools that you are not a risk. This means metrics and this means drive. It sounds like you have the drive, but you do need the metrics to back it up.

If you are sure you understand how rigorous med school is and know you can do it, you should definitely pursue an SMP as a gateway to med school. But, make sure that you are absolutely certain you can handle it because it'll be a pain getting there.
 
Thanks athercommens. Even if I do ace the masters program and do well on the mcat, Im just concerned that my application will still be denied given the outrageous performance early on in undergraduate. It would really be a frustration if I put those years and that money into it, ace the masters and rock the mcat and still get a shaft (entirely possible).
 
Thanks athercommens. Even if I do ace the masters program and do well on the mcat, Im just concerned that my application will still be denied given the outrageous performance early on in undergraduate. It would really be a frustration if I put those years and that money into it, ace the masters and rock the mcat and still get a shaft (entirely possible).
There are some programs that guarantee interviews/acceptances if you do well enough. I know EVMS has one.

I would give some serious thought to other practices within medicine. Before I was accepted this year, I was highly considering going to school to become a perfusionist. There are great careers all throughout medicine that are overlooked because they aren't as ""prestigious"" as being a physician.
 
Dear doctors and future doctors,

I am a 30yo male applicant to the previous cycle. To cut straight to the crux of it, I will not be admitted to the next class at any institution and it’s a daily battle of feeling inspired to face the adversity of my situation and feeling helpless and the verge of giving up. I graduated from a university last year and completed two degree programs in three years. I received a bachelor’s in science - biology gpa 3.3 and a bachelor’s in psychology 3.6. I have been active in my extra curriculars holding titles of Vice President and president of Pre professional clubs as an undergraduate. I’ve gained over 300 hours of shadowing physicians and surgeons. I have more than 4000 hours working in healthcare with direct patient care. I continue to volunteer in my community helping free clinics and special needs programs. I have 6 stellar letters of references that anyone would be fortunate to hang their hat on (2 from esteemed undergraduate faculty members that teach professional courses and are nationally renowned, 1 from a family of a particular individual that I have helped throughout the years, 2 from doctors that I have worked with closely in the past, and one from a colleague that manages a community program for special needs), and I have a 495 on the mcat. When I graduated high school, I took classes at a community college and did poorly in math and science. I repeated courses and failed many times before making up for it later in my education. As a result, my application in AMCAS looks obscure. My first year has 3 credits. Second, has 1 credit. Third has 23 credits. And forth year has 150 credits. My cumulative gpa calculated by AMCAS bcpm 2.15 ao 2.83 and total 2.50 resulting from the courses I took in community college. I have a chance to admit straight into a accelerated nursing program and I can finally leave my parents home. I have taken steps attend a masters program in cancer biology and planned to apply to md PhD programs as well as md programs in the future but after speaking with counselors from the university, I would be better off not aspiring to the md PhD programs. I realize that the students that are admitted have 4.0 gpas and are in the 90th percentile on the mcat but I consider myself an exceptional applicant despite the pitfalls of the application. I have taken steps to retake the mcat and I score 510 and above on practice emcats. The first time I rushed it so that I could apply to the past cycle. I have since been working in the anatomy laboratory teaching professional students how to dissect and overcome their challenges in learning the material. I have been published in 2 peer reviewed papers and in a book for advanced anatomy. But, I honestly just feel pathetic and each day that I spend studying for the mcat... I feel more and more worthless. My parents have no idea what it takes to apply to med school so it’s no help looking to them for support (first gen student) and after I moved back from out of state, I’ve lost all my friends... and spent the past 8 years overcoming the challenges that I have faced as a student.....so I feel alone. I just feel like I have put all this work into everything and now I’m just throwing it aside to do nursing because it’s the fastest route to a paycheck, but believe me, I have educated myself on all the ways that I could still do well in my career like CRNA, NP, RN FA. Oh by the way, I have 3 dollars to my name after applying to the previous AMCAS cycle and I am ineligible for financial aid because my parents home is in the one of the richest areas in the US but I’m not asking them for money, they’ve done enough for me. I work in the hospital running a pediatric program that I have designed with the help of PTs and OTs throughout the years. So I can make the money to retake the mcat and apply for the next cycle but after speaking with the counselor about md PhD, and getting rejection letters - I wonder if it is worth it. The only thing I want in life is to be a surgeon. And when I think of taking the plunge to be an RN, I just feel like I have failed. I have read all the supporting forums and the many kind and reassuring posts on not feeling like a failure... they were helpful. But, it’s like trying to not feel like an addict if an I had suffered from alcoholism or addiction or something. Because I did poorly in community college in 2007, I am no longer eligible to be a competitive candidate? I know a 510 score on the Mcat will improve things but I hesitate to do it given the situation, age, and everything else working against me.Any comments are appreciated. And please be as forthcoming as possible. If you feel like I am not as qualified applicant as I have thought myself to be - don’t hesitate to tell me whyI really just want to make the best decisison for myself because, dealing with this and not discussing it aloud with others is taking it’s toll.

You talk a big game but you don’t have it. A 3.3 GPA isn’t good and a 3.6 GPA in a psychology degree (one of the easier majors) isn’t good either. And below a 2.0 GPA is application suicide. Why you applied with a 495 MCAT (especially to MD schools) is a mystery not even Sherlock Holmes could solve. You aren’t being realistic and have an inflated grandiose view of yourself. This isn’t “stellar.” Sorry but someone had to say it.
 
You talk a big game but you don’t have it. A 3.3 GPA isn’t good and a 3.6 GPA in a psychology degree (one of the easier majors) isn’t good either. And below a 2.0 GPA is application suicide. Why you applied with a 495 MCAT (especially to MD schools) is a mystery not even Sherlock Holmes could solve. You aren’t being realistic and have an inflated grandiose view of yourself. This isn’t “stellar.” Sorry but someone had to say it.
Someone already did.
 
Set realistic goals and work hard to achieve them . As you are aware, your first app cycle was not realistic.
Realistically, Podiatry could be an option, lots of procedures, reimbursement is same as ortho. My friend is a country Podiatrist and is VERY successful.
If med school is still your dream, see if you qualify for a Post Bac with a link to admission, and NAIL it! Adcoms care about what you say, but are much more interested what you do! Sadly, applying to med school is competetive and your app is not. Dont reapply until you are competetive or have excelled in a Post Bac. Consider speaking to your schools student affairs and get evaluated for learning/studying issues. Good luck and Best Wishes!
 
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