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The following is an exchange between my dad and myself. It's concerning life choices in general, entering dentistry in particular, and may include some questions or thoughts that you have had. Enjoy.



Hi Dad,


I’m writing because I’ve been doing a lot of thinking about my future and what it is that I want to do. This conversation, or at least letting you know what I’ve been thinking, is overdue, but it’s better late than never. As you know, I’ve been considering going to dental school. When I imagine a future life as a dentist, on the one hand it seems like a sensible path for me to take. I think that dentistry combines artistry (or maybe craftsmanship describes it better), dexterity, business skill, interpersonal relationships, etc. and I think that I possess some natural skills in some of these categories, and I could improve in others. Right now, the field of dentistry that most interests me is oral maxillofacial surgery. I like the idea of doing more complicated surgeries, but truthfully, I don’t know that much about the life of a maxillofacial surgeon. I’m just picturing it as something between being a dentist and a medical surgeon (maybe this distinction is arbitrary), which is probably a very demanding but satisfying profession.


I also have been feeling some hesitation to go down this path, not for any reason that I can pinpoint (since, in truth, it does make a lot of sense for me), but that I just feel a general apprehension. Maybe this is because it’s daunting to commit yourself and dedicate you life to something; sort of like ordering the same item off a menu for the rest of your life. Another reason that I think I’m feeling apprehensive is that I am not “passionate” about this path. It’s general knowledge and common sense that that the more passionate one is about the thing one does, the happier he will be. Maybe the reason I’m not passionate right now about dentistry is because I haven’t done it, and haven’t had the change to cultivate a passion. Maybe there’s no such thing as being passionate about dentistry, but instead it’s a lifestyle and profession that allows one to live a happy life, raise a family, etc. I am also aware of the possibility that I won’t develop this passion, or that I won’t even like dentistry at all once I’m doing it everyday, and the result of this would be wasted time (a lot) and money (also a lot).


Lastly, I should add that right now, I don’t feel “passionate” about any one thing in particular. I like many things, including creating art, learning about science and whatever else, thinking about economics, and generally any creative pursuit. I also like working with my hands, writing, making money, and investing.


I know that these are not questions that you can answer for me, but I’m sure that many of these thoughts were running through your head when you were more or less in my situation. I’d really appreciate hearing what you were thinking, and/or, any advice you can lend. It would be better if you wrote it out since I could read it more than once and contemplate what you have to say over some period of time.


Love,


J



And my dad's response:




Dear J,


Thanks for the letter. I’ll try to express my thoughts and focus it to the questions you are asking. First, I don’t think passion is a necessary not particularly helpful emotion when choosing a career, with some reservations. In fact, looking for passion or thinking you need to have passion poorly serves and can misdirect you. Passion can rarely be sustained, and losing your passion can sour you on something that is otherwise sustainable and good.

I recommend you reserve your passion for things you do in your free time. Art, fishing, volunteerism and skiing are things about which people are and remain passionate precisely because they don’t do it full time and because it rarely pays well (think starving artists, writers and bike-shop owners). That isn’t to say some people can be ski or surf bums, but the lifestyle isn’t all that glamorous without a sizeable trust fund.


Back to the topic at hand; your career should be something that provides interest, is socially acceptable, can be fun and sustainable and provides the means to support yourself and possibly a family.


I happen to like dentistry, at least most of the time. For the reasons you stated, it’s artistic, useful, patients (usually) treat you with respect and appreciation, provides a good living, offers independence and time off and is held in high regard by society, among other plusses. At the same time there are times when it’s a pain because it’s a small business with all the headaches of staff, taxes, govt. bureaucracy and assorted other frustrations, much like most careers.


I wasn’t passionate about going to dental school. I felt as if I were settling for something I didn’t really know too much about (it wasn’t medicine). However, I was pleasantly surprised by how competitive and science driven dental school was. I think I was ready to get on with life, rather that wondering what I would do. Dental school was hard but I really liked it because everything I learned would actually apply to the real world. No more tests just to get to the next level of tests. I have continued to enjoy dentistry immensely because it IS an important part of medicine, though less life-and-death, offers many areas in which to specialize and really offers something socially worthwhile to the patients. There are also lots of cool gadgets and at the same time, the sheer amount of tools can be overwhelming. Being organized is crucial.


I think most dentists feel like I do. Some got out as early as possible (Bill), some went right into specialties and a few others never practiced (did real estate development).
As you’ve seen, being a dentist won’t stop you from investing or having other interests.


As for Oral Surgery, I think it’s great. I didn’t want four more years of school. The other specialties can have a large surgical component, and even as a general dds, you can do lots of oral surgery. I get you want to do more extensive surgeries, but those are decisions you make along the way or after dental school.


Of course there are other ways to be creative and make money. Real estate development is one way. I recommend you speak with people in the field if you’re interested. Bob S. and I know plenty of developers. Some have architecture backgrounds, many don’t. Good business acumen, tolerance for some risk and being able to envision what others don’t see or are scared to imagine are real attributes. There are also good careers in real estate management, which doesn’t involve risk-taking.


You might ask yourself: long term, do you see yourself as your own boss or with one or two partners or working for a corporation? Personally, I’m glad to be my own boss. Your mom is much happier not.


I hope this has been helpful. You have some important choices to make and I know it isn’t easy to do so. Trust your instincts. Stay away from something you might hate. Don’t pick a career because you feel pressured. In the end, many careers have enough variety so that you can mold it to your personality. Also, your career choice doesn’t define who you are. It provides a vehicle by which you get to choose how you want to be defined.


Love,


dad
 
Hmm. that was interesting - thanks for sharing. A very endearing conversation to say the least...

And I can't stop laughing at the comments....
 
Thought I would share. This was an email from almost three years ago after I shadowed my first dentist. Not counting my uncle.

Uncle B,
Ok so I must say that I had a great day watching this guy. He went over things and took his time showing me what he was doing. It was really strange how slow he was at everything though. No sense of urgency at all. He has one hygienist and one dental assistant and 4 chairs. One chair is dedicated to the hygienist. He has been doing this for over 18 years at the same place. The hygienist and assistant have been with him the whole time (18yrs)It has to be the polar opposite of your practice. He admits that other dentists would laugh at his schedule. He doesn't believe in scheduling for production. That must mean he doesn't have the option to. It will be great to get info from this guy but he does seem to clam up a little when I talk finance or business economics. I have waited to asked how much the practice earns or how much he takes home. I think he will not be comfortable telling me. I'm really curious though because I cannot see how he can make any money. I will be observing his practice over the summer. I will have to reformulate some of my questions. He did go into invisalign in great detail. Holly cow that should be a cash machine for you guys. The Ortho guys should be very upset about that product. Talk about shifting the supply and demand curves.

Here was his response and it opened my eyes:


Boy , you will be an interesting protege if you become a dentist.

I am all for profit and taking care of yourself and your family, but your long term financial success is grounded in doing the best thing for your patients, and if there is ever a conflict of interest, patient wins.

Think of it as a scale of 1-10 where 1 is all money and 10 is all service. You can't serve for free, and you can't get money without service. We live our lives in between, and efficiency and market position is how we get ourselves ethically closer to the 1, and skill and knowledge gets us closer to the 10. Got it grasshopper?

This guy is probably too high on the service scale. He is no doubt an excellent dentist, but he is not too interested in wealth or financial security. This is very common in our profession. Less than 5% of us can retire at our current standard of living. Please do NOT ask him any questions about income, money or production -- ever. You may have asked too much already by that schedule to production question. It is not your place nor your business. I will answer any of those matters for you. When you go to observe, you are all about service -- got it? Don't blow a chance for a good reference. Ask about his most interesting cases. Ask him which procedures are his favorites. Ask him if he ever considered a specialty. Ask him if he'd do it again, knowing what he knows now. Ask him if he has any advice for you.

You have to have a passion for this stuff or it will eat you alive. It is meticulous, unforgiving, and nerve racking in many ways, but when you transform a person's entire personality, or relieve excruciating pain you remember why you do it. When you make a mistake and somebody suffers because of it, it rips you apart inside. It makes us physically sick sometimes, and we still get up and keep doing it. Ask your sister how hard we work. It is microsurgery in a small wet dark hole, with the patient awake, mostly scared and staring right at you while you work. You will be on stage every minute of your working day. You will be a father figure to all of your staff, and an authority figure that cannot display moral inconsistency, and you must develop your leadership skills and the skills of those that support you. Basically it is ****ing hard in every way that you can imagine -- and worth every minute of it.

Yes, I can make you rich, but you have to do it in a way that you will be proud to look in the mirror.

I am glad that you are sticking with this, but if ever you discover that you do not have what it takes, quit, or you will die young.

Yo Unca B.


My uncle is my mentor and I'm thankful for it.
 
Wow I really respect your dad. That is a perfect response since it's so informative and honest. 👍
 
These dentists are so reflective - it is amazing...
It sounds like they've reached a level of maturity and zen that some can only dream for, something I don't see a lot of people in business ever being able to do...
 
Wow...both of the replies are so real and humbling. You guys are very lucky to have these people in your lives. 👍
 
My dad would have just told me he doesn't have the money to help me through the app cycle.


I laughed so hard at this.....

Amen to what both of these dentists said. I don't know that I have heard anything more insightful, more intriguing since I first knew about dentistry.
 
These dentists are so reflective - it is amazing...
It sounds like they've reached a level of maturity and zen that some can only dream for, something I don't see a lot of people in business ever being able to do...

Yep, its how I imagined most dentists/doctors would be able to write, but after reading so many posts at dentaltown and around dentistry forums I was beginning to lose hope that dentists could write. Glad to see some of them still have chops.
 
I laughed at some of the comments, but this is interesting you guys
thanks for sharing 🙂
 
Dude, you are in precisely the same position as I am with the exact same concerns and thoughts. My dad and I have had conversations similar to this one, although they have been in person and not over email. Too bad I don't have them in print; I would post them
 
Dude, you are in precisely the same position as I am with the exact same concerns and thoughts. My dad and I have had conversations similar to this one, although they have been in person and not over email. Too bad I don't have them in print; I would post them

Just post some of those insights that you remember... It'll be helpful for most, if not all of us.
 
Those emails were great. If anyone has anymore please post them. I don't have any reservations about entering dentistry anymore but they gave great insight and advice. Loved it!