Cornell vs. CCLCM

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NuRD_Complex

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Hi all, I am lucky to be choosing between these two great programs and would appreciate some help. I am vaguely interested in surgery, maybe ortho (although this may change later on). I don't believe there is a big prestige difference between the two, so it is not a factor in my decision. Let me know your thoughts.

Cornell

Pros:
- Many opportunities for surgical training, particularly ortho through HSS.
- Ability to do research at some of the best centers in their respective fields (MSK, Rockefeller, NYP, HSS)
- Living in NYC sounds exciting!
- Some don't like this, but I love the fact that students live across the street from Weill Cornell and within walking distance to all the institutions.
- Robust global health programs.
- 1.5 year pre-clinical, leaving 6 months of dedicated research time.
- Great match list
- 4 year program

Cons:
- Cost will be higher than if I were to attend CCLCM (although likely less than 100k)
- AOA and clinical grades may give rise to competition.
- It would be harder (and more expensive) to do a second degree if I wanted.
- Arguably less impactful clinical exposure than at Cleveland Clinic? (I'm not sure about this one)


CCLCM

Pros:
- Great program with extensive research incorporated into the curriculum.
- $$ Received a full tuiton+living stipend for all years, hence graduating truly debt-free.
- No AOA grades or ranking.
- Great clinical exposure.
- Free second degree if I decide to pursue it.
- Great match list

Cons:
- Housing is not as easy or convenient to find compared to Cornell
- I will need a car, hence adding an expense I wouldn't have at WCMC.
- 5-year program (this is by far my biggest con)
- Mandatory lectures are not my cup of tea.
- Cleveland is not as exciting as NYC.
- May not be recognizable to people outside the medical field (not really that important, but true)

Interested to read your input. Thank you!
 
I would pick Cornell! I have personally liked having AOA at my school - it helped push me to achieve more than I would have otherwise, and I'm happy to have it on my app for the fall. But some people feel very differently about it. NYC >>> Cleveland, and if you want ortho HSS is a big draw. I don't love the idea of a mandatory 5th year, although the research would definitely help with matching in the future. Also mandatory lecture blows.
 
Sounds like Cornell is your spot, since you get to be classmates with me 😉

Honestly, I want our class to push for getting rid of AOA. Administration was already talking about it, but those talks had been tabled due to corona. I hope we can revive those discussions and do away with AOA before clerkships start for us.

either way:
No car> needing a car
NYC > Cleveland
4 years >> 5 years

is enough for me to pick Cornell over CCLCM
 
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