Hi,
Anyone know anything about Cornell's program? Other than the fact that they have great housing, of course.
thanks.
Anyone know anything about Cornell's program? Other than the fact that they have great housing, of course.
thanks.
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All I know is that there has been some significant faculty turnover in recent years, perhaps some chaos. May be resolved by now.
Also, they do have a close relationship with MSKCC, but I don't know if this is that important as a resident.
Also, they do have a close relationship with MSKCC, but I don't know if this is that important as a resident.
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b&ierstiefel
Molly Maquire said:
Edit: I stand corrected. Please see post below.
i am a resident at cornell and i wanted to clarify some things that came up:
housing is actually cheaper than what was quoted: i pay $1320 for a one-bedroom apartment (high floor with views...) in one of the most expensive of the four available buildings. the apartments range in size and cost: there are two-bedroom apartments for $1350 and there are studios for $700 to $850. the housing is literally across the street from the hospital (and even connected by a tunnel if you don't feel like wearing a jacket). the cost of life (i.e. restaurants, groceries, movies, etc.) in the upper east side, while higher than that in other american cities, is not more than in other manhattan neighborhoods. i guess that is the price to pay for living in a popular city (well worth it in my opinion as the cultural and entertainment offerings are literally unmatched anywhere in the world).
the relationship with memorial/sloan-kettering (also across the street) on the resident level is significant: cornell residents in their 3rd or 4th year can do a 3-4 month elective at memorial where they basically function as the equivalent of a memorial surg path fellow. there are on average 5 residents per year, so everybody who wants to do this elective pretty much can. there are also combined grand rounds once a month where cornell residents and memorial fellows present interesting cases and where attending from both institutions (including some of the really big names from both places) show up. there is significant cross-advertisement and cross-attendance of conferences including those given by invited outside speakers and memorial attendings regularly come and teach in our didactic surg path conferences. in recent years, almost half of graduating cornell residents have gone on to become fellows and subspecialty fellows at memorial. conversely, people who train there are regularly hired as attendings at cornell.
most cornell residents are not from new york. they may become "die hard" new yorkers after coming here but only in the sense that they are knowledgeable, open-minded, interesting and interested. that and that they like their bagels schmeared... many people are married and have kids (and there is a very good hospital-sponsored day care school). overall, the residents are a very fun and supportive group and as diverse as new york city itself...
in terms of faculty turnover: even though i don't know the "numbers" at other institutions, i don't think it is much higher than other places. our chairman did come from columbia but 10 years ago and the program has expanded significantly since. there is a lot of new faculty and excitement about them. this reflects mostly the expanding subdivisions of the surgery departments and the resulting specimen flow e.g. the new liver transplant program, reorganized bone marrow stem-cell lab, etc. clinical path was already strong and with some new big names is now exceptional. we did lose a couple of people to memorial, but we still get to see them!
personally, while there are of course some things that i would like to change, i am extremely satisfied with my training program and very happy with my life outside of it (given that it is, after all, residency).
housing is actually cheaper than what was quoted: i pay $1320 for a one-bedroom apartment (high floor with views...) in one of the most expensive of the four available buildings. the apartments range in size and cost: there are two-bedroom apartments for $1350 and there are studios for $700 to $850. the housing is literally across the street from the hospital (and even connected by a tunnel if you don't feel like wearing a jacket). the cost of life (i.e. restaurants, groceries, movies, etc.) in the upper east side, while higher than that in other american cities, is not more than in other manhattan neighborhoods. i guess that is the price to pay for living in a popular city (well worth it in my opinion as the cultural and entertainment offerings are literally unmatched anywhere in the world).
the relationship with memorial/sloan-kettering (also across the street) on the resident level is significant: cornell residents in their 3rd or 4th year can do a 3-4 month elective at memorial where they basically function as the equivalent of a memorial surg path fellow. there are on average 5 residents per year, so everybody who wants to do this elective pretty much can. there are also combined grand rounds once a month where cornell residents and memorial fellows present interesting cases and where attending from both institutions (including some of the really big names from both places) show up. there is significant cross-advertisement and cross-attendance of conferences including those given by invited outside speakers and memorial attendings regularly come and teach in our didactic surg path conferences. in recent years, almost half of graduating cornell residents have gone on to become fellows and subspecialty fellows at memorial. conversely, people who train there are regularly hired as attendings at cornell.
most cornell residents are not from new york. they may become "die hard" new yorkers after coming here but only in the sense that they are knowledgeable, open-minded, interesting and interested. that and that they like their bagels schmeared... many people are married and have kids (and there is a very good hospital-sponsored day care school). overall, the residents are a very fun and supportive group and as diverse as new york city itself...
in terms of faculty turnover: even though i don't know the "numbers" at other institutions, i don't think it is much higher than other places. our chairman did come from columbia but 10 years ago and the program has expanded significantly since. there is a lot of new faculty and excitement about them. this reflects mostly the expanding subdivisions of the surgery departments and the resulting specimen flow e.g. the new liver transplant program, reorganized bone marrow stem-cell lab, etc. clinical path was already strong and with some new big names is now exceptional. we did lose a couple of people to memorial, but we still get to see them!
personally, while there are of course some things that i would like to change, i am extremely satisfied with my training program and very happy with my life outside of it (given that it is, after all, residency).
my favorite part of the Cornell interview was going into Knowles' office and after an awkward silence, breaking the ice by saying: "so , i understand you direct the clinical labs here" His reply: "no, im the department chair"
Im surprised he didnt call security. I hope the hardass got a laugh out of it at least. i couldnt muster up the sack to ask him for a bottle of Cliquot as a consolation prize.
hope all is well in the city!
Mark
BIDMC pathology, pgy1
Im surprised he didnt call security. I hope the hardass got a laugh out of it at least. i couldnt muster up the sack to ask him for a bottle of Cliquot as a consolation prize.
hope all is well in the city!
Mark
BIDMC pathology, pgy1
pathres2 (and anybody else of course): what do you think of the research opportunities at Cornell? I plan on going into academics, so I am looking for significant time in the lab and research opportunities. Also, do most folks at Cornell go into private practice or academics?
Thanks!
Thanks!
B
b&ierstiefel
I think that at a lot of programs, the majority of the residents aim to go into private practice. There are few programs that traditionally "send" more (but not all) residents to academics such as the Brigham, UPenn, WashU, UCSF, etc. I believe that this is a reflection of the overall profession of pathology--the majority of folks, from what I can gather, are less inclined to become a "typical" academic pathologist who runs a basic science research and/or a translational research lab.beary said:
When I interviewed at Cornell, I had a chance to sit down and talk to the department chair. He was able to cite several examples of folks who are academically inclined like you and me and who went on to succeed in the lab. However, he did say that the majority of residents at Cornell tend to pursue private practice. We also talked about lab and research opportunities. The resident can essentially work for anyone he/she wishes...he/she can work at MSKCC, Rockefeller, or CUMC. And as you probably know, there are some fantastic, world-renowned faculty at the Tri-I. Furthermore, if one really wants to do so, one can even go off to Ithaca where the Cornell undergrad/grad school campus is and pursue a research project there. If I remember correctly, they will fund up to 2 years of research, which is typical at many places. The residents who go the research route also have no problems gaining KO8 grants and other modes of funding.
