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What are some must have upfront big purchases?
  • Xray machine
  • Pod tools (clippers, etc)
  • Autoclave
  • Treatment chairs
  • Office equipment (computers, printers, phones)
  • Handheld ultrasound machine?

Does anyone have experience opening a private practice? How much did it cost? Any words of advice?

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Rent and staffing are usually your biggest monthly expenses. EMR and utilities are also not insignificant. Marketing materials and ads and website will be costly early on. You will figure this out if you start to make a business plan spreadsheet.

As you mentioned, XR, chairs, and comp/periph (good scanners are not cheap) are big one-time buys. Ultrasound and vasc testing stuff can typically wait unless you will have decent volume right away. You can make payment plans for some of that stuff. Tools and autoclave and supplies are not very expensive unless you want the fancy stuff, but it all adds up.

Making the spreadsheet of monthly expenses and the one-time expenses is really the way to go (both to learn and to apply for loans). XR machine and chairs/mayo/cabinets and signage and decor and inventory of starter stock of OTC products and other stuff don't have to be replaced or spent on again for atleast a little awhile.
 
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What are some must have upfront big purchases?
  • Xray machine
  • Pod tools (clippers, etc)
  • Autoclave
  • Treatment chairs
  • Office equipment (computers, printers, phones)
  • Handheld ultrasound machine?

Does anyone have experience opening a private practice? How much did it cost? Any words of advice?
X-ray 15-30k (used -->new digital bells and whistles)
Tools ~5-7.5k new miltex instruments and a few surgical + nail packs
Autoclave - cheap crap 2-3k and nice 5-6k
Treatment chairs cheap crap 2-3k and nice with bells and whistles midmark 6-7k
Office Equipment - about 2-3k to get up and running
Ultrasound - butterfly 2-3k or GE machine 10k
EMR monthly rental 100-600 / mo depending on company and features

Things you forgot:
tenant improvements (new paint/flooring for office if needed to be updated)
podiatry machines (padnet, cold laser, nail laser)
insurance premiums for malpractice/ business / workers comp
 
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I'm in the middle of opening a concierge IM practice and keeping it intentionally low overhead. Obviously this isn't the same as a pod practice but I'll list expenses that'll likely be the same for both of us. Here are silly things you won't think of right off the bat (some of which are mentioned above):

Malpractice insurance
Business insurance
Tenant's insurance
Exterior signage for your business
Waiting room furniture/office furniture (not just patient stuff either. Desks, office chairs, receptionist area)
Printer/Fax/Scanner
Paper, pencils, supplies (these add up quick)
Marketing materials (folders, brochures, business cards, logo design)
Building upgrades (I did flooring and paint in a 900 sq ft office and it ran $5k, and that was doing the painting myself)
Storage room shelving, organizing supplies, etc
EMR is $350/mth
Scheduling/On Call software
If you're going to offer any product for sale, up front costs for this
If you need staff, salary costs for these
Legal fees for business set up, copyright, etc
Edit - forgot web design. That was $5k

The reason I say all this is because none of this was a "big purchase" and yet all together added up to $65k in start up costs. If you don't plan for it with your cash flows and loans this small stuff will be what sinks you.

I also highly recommend figuring our when you'll be net revenue even on a month to month basis and making sure you have the ability to keep writing rent checks to keep the lights on as this happens.
 
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What about sharing office space with another specialist or primary care physician? A lot of the basic office start up costs can be avoided right Such as office equipment, treatment chairs, furniture etc. anyone going this route?
 
What about sharing office space with another specialist or primary care physician? A lot of the basic office start up costs can be avoided right Such as office equipment, treatment chairs, furniture etc. anyone going this route?
My opinion. Open once and open well. Be meager in other ways. I just dont see how rent is a big deal in the grand scheme of things. You are going to generate lets say 50k/ month and rent is what 5k for your own set up (2000 sq ft at $25/sq ft). I dont want to deal with a roommate. Have to deal with their patients, their staff, their messes. No thank you!

Podiatry office chairs are specific to us. A general exam table is awful to do any podiatric services without killing your back. Invest in the bread and butter stuff that makes you efficient. Please spend $ and get damn nail cutters that are actually sharp and stay sharp. Those tired hands need to type notes at the end of the day.
I'm in the middle of opening a concierge IM practice and keeping it intentionally low overhead. Obviously this isn't the same as a pod practice but I'll list expenses that'll likely be the same for both of us. Here are silly things you won't think of right off the bat (some of which are mentioned above):
CONGRATS! You are doing the right thing and you'll be shocked in the right market how people value their time and will gladly pay to walk in and not wait 3 hours to see their PCP.

Here is the anticipated list:
NUMBER 1--- WHAT IS THE NAME OF YOUR PRACTICE?! this one thing took me a while. I didnt want just my name as the practice. And also I didnt want a damn foot with wings as my logo like everyone else.

Malpractice insurance ---- we are much higher, esp if you do "major surgery" and not just nails/office work
Business insurance ---- not terrible but can be ~$100/mo
Tenant's insurance ---- integrated in the above as business insurance protects you as a tenant
*Unemployment insurance*
Exterior signage for your business ---- dont forget local permits and rules regarding signage. some counties have a tax on signs with lights
Waiting room furniture/office furniture (not just patient stuff either. Desks, office chairs, receptionist area) --- faux leather chairs on amazon start at $100. If you have obese patients must look at weight rating. Still most office chairs and all the desks can be had without awful expense. Dont be afraid to craigslist or try office equipment warehouse resellers
Printer/Fax/Scanner ---- business grade all in one starts at $300.... and dont forget the toner!!!!! always get the high yield cartridges.
Paper, pencils, supplies (these add up quick) ---- get local reps to get you note pads, pens
Marketing materials (folders, brochures, business cards, logo design) ---- logo design and doing IVR for your phone you can try FIVERR. you can use vistaprint or gotprint if you are a DIY person and dont mind using publisher/adobe products for print stuff. I used an adobe free week trial and designed all my own stuff.
Building upgrades (I did flooring and paint in a 900 sq ft office and it ran $5k, and that was doing the painting myself)
Storage room shelving, organizing supplies, etc ----- we need shelving to house DME. Home Depot plastic or metal shelving is more than fine.
EMR is $350/mth --- go with an EMR that offers your practice management and revenue cycle management for ease
Scheduling/On Call software ---- EMR should also do this.
If you're going to offer any product for sale, up front costs for this --- DPMs love to sell OTC stuff. buy large cases in bulk like gel heel pads from China.
If you need staff, salary costs for these ---- going to offer benefits?
Legal fees for business set up, copyright, etc ---- dont forget the accountant or have one that can guide you through quickbooks and run your own books and payroll services.
Edit - forgot web design. That was $5k ---- Just have an entire bucket for "ADVERTISING"--- google ads are good way to find patients

more items: office manual/handbook, alarm company + monitoring, Fire Department inspection, Sharps disposal (take it to the dump on your weekend?), lots of distilled water for that autoclave, paper shredding option (buy a big boy shredder for a couple of hundred for DIY vs higher pros), clock system for "punch in/out" for employees, getting survey for x-ray machine and all the licensing costs and yearly maintenance costs, Insurance credentialing costs.... can keep adding to this list as there is literally so much that goes into it and most of it is just realizing to add it
 
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Podiatry chairs - trust me you can do just fine with ortho exam tables. My last employed job bought me 3 top end midmark chairs at what 10 a piece? Yeah they were AWESOME. Now, with Ortho and private practice I use their exam tables. And I do just fine. Yeah, I am on my hands and knees more than I would like for heel wounds and other things. And yeah, I do more exams than I would like (ok I barely touch them) with them sitting in a chair because they are unable to get up on the exam table with a step stool. But its better than spending 20 to 40k on used/new pod chairs. This is one place where you could cut costs if things add up fast.
 
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Oh! Be careful with your EMR selection. As a solo doc cost was a huge factor for me. I ended up settling on Kareo as they promised me all the bells and whistles. The minute I signed on the dotted line and got transferred from a sales person to an IT person it all fell apart. Their patient scheduling is unintuitive and incredibly laborious on the back end (hence my scheduling software comment above). Their forms don't integrate, their billing is a disaster (all mine are cash pay but many want an FSA style receipt for reimbursement). Pretty much every feature I asked "it does this, right?" and was promised it did... it doesn't.

All of the small EMRs were the same, they all have major missing features. It's trying to find the best of the worst for what you need it for, and your pod colleagues will be way more helpful with this than I will.

All the large EMRs are way too expensive.

Don't trust the sales people, try and talk to an actual IT person. For my ideal clientele I wanted them to be able to look at appointments, schedule, confirm and pay all without any work on my end. Then they can cancel and reschedule in real time on my website and I never have to approve anything. I'm trying my best to have my practice not need a full time receptionist, tbd on that one. But Kareo's scheduling software is so bad there is no way I could make it happen through them.
 
Podiatry chairs - trust me you can do just fine with ortho exam tables. My last employed job bought me 3 top end midmark chairs at what 10 a piece? Yeah they were AWESOME. Now, with Ortho and private practice I use their exam tables. And I do just fine. Yeah, I am on my hands and knees more than I would like for heel wounds and other things. And yeah, I do more exams than I would like (ok I barely touch them) with them sitting in a chair because they are unable to get up on the exam table with a step stool. But its better than spending 20 to 40k on used/new pod chairs. This is one place where you could cut costs if things add up fast.
you bring up a couple major issues for the average PP DPM. You work for ortho practice so patients are deceived since all rooms look the same. Also you are seeing more MSK pathology. When you are debriding warts, nails and all that junk its easier with the basin tray as well. Especially those elderly / limited mobility patients that cant get on the table gets annoying when they complain to you they want to stay in their wheelchair. I do not want to see mostly DPM pathologies on "on my hands and knees."

I promise you a midmark podiatry chair is not that much. Just sign up with a firm that can get you group pricing (like vizient). then talk to all your distributors like medline/ henry schein/ mckesson and have them price out a chair for you. Or go ebay/dotmed route and get used and buy a new top cover (velcros on for $750-1k). Also you dont need 3 chairs to start a practice.
Oh! Be careful with your EMR selection.
AMEN! Easy to sign on. Impossible to leave. Transferring charts are costly if you pick the wrong EMR.

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I think a major theme if anyone plans to open is that you will need to know what makes you succeed. Most of what you'll see is constant trial, failure and fix. It's inevitable. Then when you are all set, a pandemic sets and disrupts what you thought you knew.

If you are not a self-starter, ambitious, able to accept failure and put in 2x more work to fix, then I just dont recommend doing a solo, low cost practice.
 
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All of the small EMRs were the same, they all have major missing features. It's trying to find the best of the worst for what you need it for, and your pod colleagues will be way more helpful with this than I will.

All the large EMRs are way too expensive.
Are any of the EMRs just right? Better question- which is the least bad?
 
Are any of the EMRs just right? Better question- which is the least bad?
Athena can get pricey at 500/mo plus 6-8% collections if you use their revenue management. APMA favors NextGen which I had a pleasant demo with. Costs are 3-400/mo for solo provider for EHR/PM/RCM.
 
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APMA favors NextGen
Isn't patientpop the official EMR for APMA now. I'm sure i'm not the only person that got the emails. I use eClinicalWorks (about $650/month with healow online booking) in my practice and have minimal complains. They have their issues too like every other EMR. Overall I am fine with it. I am a solo practice and it fulfills most of my needs. Oh I also got a free website when I signed up and my free website is integrated with google my business page and I am ranking top 3 in my area.
 
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Plunged myself into this career and took on mountain of debt and didn't think twice but suddenly everything above sounds so scary even though I'm like years before I need to make that decision.
 
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Isn't patientpop the official EMR for APMA now.
PatientPop is an expensive marketing platform that integrates into EMR to generate positive patient reviews.

APMA still pushing NextGen The Electronic Medical Record Decision Guide for Podiatric Physicians | Practicing DPMs | APMA

Plunged myself into this career and took on mountain of debt and didn't think twice but suddenly everything above sounds so scary even though I'm like years before I need to make that decision.
Sounds like you need a fellowship to buy you some time. They have these 2 year ones in superficial wound debridement, distal nail biopsy trimming, and phalangeal trauma.

It will always be scary when you move onto a new stage in life. You're better prepared than you realize but just hard to imagine looking ahead.
 
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I saw that a few posters mentioned tenant improvements (TI's) and signage. You can negotiate those expenses as part of your lease. I think most seasoned landlords expect some TI's as part of the negotiation. Fresh paint every five years and signage at owner's expense is pretty common, and sometimes new flooring is too. You don't have to accept the first copy of your lease. They typically offer up to a certain amount and in exchange might ask for a longer lease term or slightly higher monthly rent. I suppose you end up paying for it one way or another in the long run but if a building owner with deep pockets can front the money then at least it's a big chunk that you don't need to pay for with your business loan. If you're not comfortable with the process you can enlist the help of a commercial realtor to negotiate on your behalf (at landlord's expense).
 
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Sounds like you need a fellowship to buy you some time. They have these 2 year ones in superficial wound debridement, distal nail biopsy trimming, and phalangeal trauma.

It will always be scary when you move onto a new stage in life. You're better prepared than you realize but just hard to imagine looking ahead.
Sir / madame, what you're describing above, is a ✨Spa✨
 
I saw that a few posters mentioned tenant improvements (TI's) and signage. You can negotiate those expenses as part of your lease. I think most seasoned landlords expect some TI's as part of the negotiation. Fresh paint every five years and signage at owner's expense is pretty common, and sometimes new flooring is too. You don't have to accept the first copy of your lease. They typically offer up to a certain amount and in exchange might ask for a longer lease term or slightly higher monthly rent. I suppose you end up paying for it one way or another in the long run but if a building owner with deep pockets can front the money then at least it's a big chunk that you don't need to pay for with your business loan. If you're not comfortable with the process you can enlist the help of a commercial realtor to negotiate on your behalf (at landlord's expense).
Yes while paint "should" last 5 years you'll realistically need touch ups around the office each year. Grab that brush.

Flooring is a little more tricky. I tend to think we are pretty hard on our flooring. If you are building out definitely consider LVT if your lease is 5-10 years in length. I've seen cheap tile flooring break so easily from all those wheelchairs and rolling walkers.

Definitely agree trying to bundle costs into the lease. I know it sucks to have to "mortgage off those costs" but the LL gets to amortize that loss so its a win win.

Signage is more of an issue if you have building "frontage." LL can be stingy on spending for fancy signs so can start basic and always upgrade over time.

There is no reason not to use a commercial realtor on your behalf. Also a lawyer should be reviewing the lease agreement (most charge $3-500 which is nothing when you have a long term lease worth hundreds of thousands.
 
Yes while paint "should" last 5 years you'll realistically need touch ups around the office each year. Grab that brush.

Flooring is a little more tricky. I tend to think we are pretty hard on our flooring. If you are building out definitely consider LVT if your lease is 5-10 years in length. I've seen cheap tile flooring break so easily from all those wheelchairs and rolling walkers.

Definitely agree trying to bundle costs into the lease. I know it sucks to have to "mortgage off those costs" but the LL gets to amortize that loss so its a win win.

Signage is more of an issue if you have building "frontage." LL can be stingy on spending for fancy signs so can start basic and always upgrade over time.

There is no reason not to use a commercial realtor on your behalf. Also a lawyer should be reviewing the lease agreement (most charge $3-500 which is nothing when you have a long term lease worth hundreds of thousands.
Tell me you work in New York without telling me you work in New York....
 
Also, a downside that people may not think of with my situation of Ortho versus Podiatry is I bet you all these Private practice dudes just have an MA taking some foot x-rays with an ortho poser. I have to pay overhead for a full-on gigantic x-ray machine for two different locations as well as a rad tech for two different locations.
 
I saw that a few posters mentioned tenant improvements (TI's) and signage. You can negotiate those expenses as part of your lease. I think most seasoned landlords expect some TI's as part of the negotiation. Fresh paint every five years and signage at owner's expense is pretty common, and sometimes new flooring is too. You don't have to accept the first copy of your lease. They typically offer up to a certain amount and in exchange might ask for a longer lease term or slightly higher monthly rent. I suppose you end up paying for it one way or another in the long run but if a building owner with deep pockets can front the money then at least it's a big chunk that you don't need to pay for with your business loan. If you're not comfortable with the process you can enlist the help of a commercial realtor to negotiate on your behalf (at landlord's expense).


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What have I missed?
 
What have I missed?
121 "what are my chances" and 188 "is podiatry school X or Y better" pre-podiatry threads.
17 "do residencies tell the truth to interview students" threads.
43 "what residencies will help me get me a 4 year podiatric neuro vascular astronaut TAR fellowship" inquiries.
81 "podiatry is doom and gloom and no jobs anywhere" threads.
19 "how do I get an ortho group job" threads... and twice that many "I want to work at a VA" threads (no joke, that's a thing now).
Nowhere near enough mountain biking or NFL football discussion... but you can learn some cryptos I've never heard of.
...and a new powe-dia-a-tree school in a Texas pear treeeeee?
 
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What have I missed?

Hopefully not the 12+” of fresh we got earlier this week in the cascades…it’s been nothing but 30-40° bluebird spring type days for the past 2 months

Oh did you mean here? I have no idea. Probably not much.
 
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Nowhere near enough mountain biking or NFL football discussion... but you can learn some cryptos I've never heard of.

I've been waiting for the mountain biking talk...
 
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121 "what are my chances" and 188 "is podiatry school X or Y better" pre-podiatry threads.
17 "do residencies tell the truth to interview students" threads.
43 "what residencies will help me get me a 4 year podiatric neuro vascular astronaut TAR fellowship" inquiries.
81 "podiatry is doom and gloom and no jobs anywhere" threads.
19 "how do I get an ortho group job" threads... and twice that many "I want to work at a VA" threads (no joke, that's a thing now).
Nowhere near enough mountain biking or NFL football discussion... but you can learn some cryptos I've never heard of.
...and a new powe-dia-a-tree school in a Texas pear treeeeee?
Well done, well done. You guys have been working hard, I see.
 
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Hopefully not the 12+” of fresh we got earlier this week in the cascades…it’s been nothing but 30-40° bluebird spring type days for the past 2 months

Oh did you mean here? I have no idea. Probably not much.
Yeah, it's been upper 50s to low 60s here for weeks. I've been mountain biking more than skiing this winter.
 
I've been waiting for the mountain biking talk...
Let's go!

I scared the bejeesus out of myself at Whistler bike park last August riding this trail (Goat's Gully):

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Let's go!

I scared the bejeesus out of myself at Whistler bike park last August riding this trail (Goat's Gully):

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Sheeesh! My mountain bike bought me a very nice anatomic clavicle plate from synthes at the end of July. Couple that with a pretty wet fall/winter here in middle America, I've probably only been out a dozen times in the past 6 months. Would love to get out to Whistler bike park.
 
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Sheeesh! My mountain bike bought me a very nice anatomic clavicle plate from synthes at the end of July. Couple that with a pretty wet fall/winter here in middle America, I've probably only been out a dozen times in the past 6 months. Would love to get out to Whistler bike park.
Ouch. That stinks. I fractured a clavicle going over the bars many years ago. It got me this nice Christmas ornament!

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Yeah, it's been upper 50s to low 60s here for weeks. I've been mountain biking more than skiing this winter.

Could make for a good Wall of Voodoo sesh if you’re into that sort of thing.

Everyone I know that mountain bikes keeps breaking body parts so I keep putting off getting into it, but then I go laying my skis on edge at 60-65mph (I’m too old and my skis are too fat to go any faster anymore) so I guess I shouldn’t be worried about a bike. I think tomorrow is going to be the first day it’ll be worth getting off piste since December.
 
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Update for everyone. Still firm out there today despite the snowfall earlier in the week. But the sun is shining and I’m not working so it’s not all bad.

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Update for everyone. Still firm out there today despite the snowfall earlier in the week. But the sun is shining and I’m not working so it’s not all bad.
Most excellent!
 
NextGen is terrible unless all you are going to be doing is nails and calluses.

It is such a garbage EHR. So glad to see that our lovely association stands behind an EHR that still looks like it was designed in the 80s.
 
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What are some must have upfront big purchases?
  • Xray machine
  • Pod tools (clippers, etc)
  • Autoclave
  • Treatment chairs
  • Office equipment (computers, printers, phones)
  • Handheld ultrasound machine?

Does anyone have experience opening a private practice? How much did it cost? Any words of advice?

Honestly, you need to do a lot more research and learn a lot more. I realize you're coming here for some help, but to get a bank loan to open up your own place requires a business plan and a review of the demographics of your area, as well as a potential expense counter for the first 3-5 years in practice.

A good friend once told me that if you are looking to buy a car and are worried about filling it with gas, you shouldn't buy that car. If you are looking to open your own practice and don't know the ins and outs of business these days, you'll sink before you even open your doors.
 
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Honestly, you need to do a lot more research and learn a lot more. I realize you're coming here for some help, but to get a bank loan to open up your own place requires a business plan and a review of the demographics of your area, as well as a potential expense counter for the first 3-5 years in practice.

A good friend once told me that if you are looking to buy a car and are worried about filling it with gas, you shouldn't buy that car. If you are looking to open your own practice and don't know the ins and outs of business these days, you'll sink before you even open your doors.
This is spot on
 
This is a great thread and a ton of good information.

I am going to link it to the other thread "how to get paid" for future reference for any readers (or myself if I ever go private).
 
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This is a great thread and a ton of good information.

I am going to link it to the other thread "how to get paid" for future reference for any readers (or myself if I ever go private).
Whoa whoa whoa. Went did you get these magical SDN powers? Did you get knighted? Well that is what a real doctor would get, not sure what the podiatry version of knighthood would be. ...
 
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