Couple PAT questions

[prsndwg]

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Hi Can someone explain the right answer to these two Qs?

New one:

New one:

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[AmpedUp]

1) I would immediately eliminate C and D

My answer would be B

2) eliminate B and C

My answer would be A

Not sure how to explain it other than...to match up the picture with the "right" answer. You can try this on paper if you want a sure answer.

 

[prsndwg]

1) I would immediately eliminate C and D

My answer would be B i chose B too.. but that's not the answer

2) eliminate B and C why do you eliminate B?

My answer would be A

Not sure how to explain it other than...to match up the picture with the "right" answer. You can try this on paper if you want a sure answer.

thanks

 

[kpanesar]

1) B

- Eliminate C and D right away because they have incorrectly shaded faces.

- Eliminate A because the viewpoint that is used doesn't have half shaded half non shaded side, but it has the diagonally half shaded half non shaded side.

2. B

- Eliminate C and D right away because they have incorrectly shaded faces.

- Eliminate A because the top face of the bottom protrusion shouldn't be shaded.

 

[AmpedUp]

thanks

Yeah for the first one I wasn't too sure...I guess that's something to cut up and try.

The second one. You eliminate B because one of the small square flaps is unshaded and it should be shaded. Basically, I eliminated C for the same reason I eliminated C.

 

[AmpedUp]

1) B

- Eliminate C and D right away because they have incorrectly shaded faces.

- Eliminate A because the viewpoint that is used doesn't have half shaded half non shaded side, but it has the diagonally half shaded half non shaded side.

2. B

- Eliminate C and D right away because they have incorrectly shaded faces.

- Eliminate A because the top face of the bottom protrusion shouldn't be shaded.

2 is not B

Look below to see why

 

[prsndwg]

2 is not B

Look below to see why

Thanks.. this is great.. now i see what I was missing in regards to B being wrong...

What about 1? I picked B too.. it was wrong🙄

 

[AmpedUp]

Thanks.. this is great.. now i see what I was missing in regards to B being wrong...

What about 1? I picked B too.. it was wrong🙄

edit: actually, nevermind...I do see how A is the answer in 1. Look at the bolded line that divides the shaded region of the rectangle and the front triangle (with upper unshaded and lower shaded)...I don't see the same bold line in B. And if you tilt your head to the right a little, you can see the diagonal perspective as a consequence of folding it. I sure hope there's nothing like this on the DAT...It took a while to notice it. Good practice nonetheless. If you have more, put them up.

 

[prsndwg]

edit: actually, nevermind...I do see how A is the answer in 1. Look at the bolded line that divides the shaded region of the rectangle and the front triangle (with upper unshaded and lower shaded)...I don't see the same bold line in B. And if you tilt your head to the right a little, you can see the diagonal perspective as a consequence of folding it. I sure hope there's nothing like this on the DAT...It took a while to notice it. Good practice nonetheless. If you have more, put them up.

confused😕

 

[AmpedUp]

confused😕

lol sorry for being lazy

below is what i can see...

Notice that both the red and blue circles capture a specific line. A's line is more solid than B's. The solid line adds more depth and perfectly captures the diagonal we want shown by the red arrow. The less solid in B (aka the "fuzzy" line) is very 2 dimensional...I don't even think B exists in real life from this frontal view of the shape. So really, the only difference between A and B is those lines I've circled. If B had a solid line, it would also be a viable answer.

Is this a good enough explanation or do you need me to say more?

 

[akeurogh]

lol sorry for being lazy

below is what i can see...

Notice that both the red and blue circles capture a specific line. A's line is more solid than B's. The solid line adds more depth and perfectly captures the diagonal we want shown by the red arrow. The less solid (aka "fuzzy" line) is very 2 dimensional.

Is this a good enough explanation or do you need me to say more?

Hey nice explanation! but would they really go into this much depth on the DAT?

 

[AmpedUp]

Hey nice explanation! but would they really go into this much depth on the DAT?

I haven't taken the DAT so I wouldn't exactly know. However, I guess since we've seen this, we should be warned! lol

 

[prsndwg]

lol sorry for being lazy

below is what i can see...

Notice that both the red and blue circles capture a specific line. A's line is more solid than B's. The solid line adds more depth and perfectly captures the diagonal we want shown by the red arrow. The less solid in B (aka the "fuzzy" line) is very 2 dimensional...I don't even think B exists in real life from this frontal view of the shape. So really, the only difference between A and B is those lines I've circled. If B had a solid line, it would also be a viable answer.

Is this a good enough explanation or do you need me to say more?

The answer is indeed A and thank for the explanation and effort. I highly doubt them picking at the thickness of the lines and whether its dark enough to be considered 3-d or 2-d.

This might have two answers and it still bothers me 😎

 

[AmpedUp]

^yeah...it's the best I got unless someone else sees something different.

 

[UCB05]

^yeah...it's the best I got unless someone else sees something different.

I don't quite get what the confusion is here between A and B of #2. There is clearly a difference in the visible trapezoidal long sides of A and B. A is correct because when folded, the long side with the vertical gray/white demarkation is in the correct position on the visible side of the object. B has its diagonal gray/white long side on the visible side of the folded object and is therefore incorrect.. A is correct. B is very incorrect. There aren't two correct answers 🙂

The folding section of the PAT will never test anything so minute as the pixel thickness of a line, which could vary by test simply by virtue of monitor resolution/quality.

 

[AmpedUp]

I don't quite get what the confusion is here between A and B of #2. There is clearly a difference in the visible trapezoidal long sides of A and B. A is correct because when folded, the long side with the vertical gray/white demarkation is in the correct position on the visible side of the object. B has its diagonal gray/white long side on the visible side of the folded object and is therefore incorrect.. A is correct. B is very incorrect. There aren't two correct answers 🙂

The folding section of the PAT will never test anything so minute as the pixel thickness of a line, which could vary by test simply by virtue of monitor resolution/quality.

lol another edit: well, i don't see the long sides of the trapezoid in both A and B. They look the same. Can you show us with a picture?

Seriously, the only thing I see is the solid line as the visibility marker. Nothing else looks different. I've even cut this out and tried putting this together for a 3D image...nothing separates A and B besides the solid line.

 

[UCB05]

Showing an attached pic. The visible long side on A is a vertical white/gray border. The visible long side on B is a diagonal white/gray border. A is the only way the fold can be assembled.

 

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Showing an attached pic. The visible long side on A is a vertical white/gray border. The visible long side on B is a diagonal white/gray border. A is the only way the fold can be assembled.

Ok, I think I see what you're talking about...but wow...that's almost an optical illusion for me. Very tough to see at first. Thanks for the diagram.

 

[UCB05]

Ok, I think I see what you're talking about...but wow...that's almost an optical illusion for me. Very tough to see at first. Thanks for the diagram.

np. They don't really even look all that similar. One has a gray triangle, one has a gray quadrilateral. You're just going to have to get used to pointing those differences out. The real thing will have plenty of questions like this.

 

[prsndwg]

np. They don't really even look all that similar. One has a gray triangle, one has a gray quadrilateral. You're just going to have to get used to pointing those differences out. The real thing will have plenty of questions like this.

Thanks for the hints. I see what you are saying. what concerns me is that: if you fold it inside, you ll see the answer to be A, but if you fold it toward yourself, the answer comes out to be B!??😱

 

[UCB05]

Thanks for the hints. I see what you are saying. what concerns me is that: if you fold it inside, you ll see the answer to be A, but if you fold it toward yourself, the answer comes out to be B!??😱

Mhm, however, the only correct way involves folding it into the paper, away from you. That is the only way to do it. I stress this alot- just like this problem, a lot of wrong answers on the PAT will have shapes that are folded the wrong way inside-out. If you can't remember that, pretend the side you can't see is blank white. No double-sided printing 😛

 

[prsndwg]

Mhm, however, the only correct way involves folding it into the paper, away from you. That is the only way to do it. I stress this alot- just like this problem, a lot of wrong answers on the PAT will have shapes that are folded the wrong way inside-out. If you can't remember that, pretend the side you can't see is blank white. No double-sided printing 😛

oh wow.. I never knew we got to disregard any other folding other than into the paper.. Thank you very much..

 

[prsndwg]

I need help with this one too please..

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[UCB05]

I need help with this one too please..

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By guess would be B.
D & E are just plain nonsensical. The head of the duck is too short in C. A and B are very close but the neck in A seems a little too thick to me, so I'd go with B.

 

[prsndwg]

By guess would be B.
D & E are just plain nonsensical. The head of the duck is too short in C. A and B are very close but the neck in A seems a little too thick to me, so I'd go with B.

i picked B too.. but its wrong

 

[UCB05]

i picked B too.. but its wrong

Well I totally would have gone with B =/ I guess the right answer is A then? The neck still looks a little thick for that angle, though.

 

[UCSD6]

The answer for number one is A. Although there look nearly identical their is one small point of difference. The answer lies in the head of this bird like creature. I really dont know how to explain this or draw it so if you look at the head, then their is also a beak. Where the neck begins is where you can see the difference. Compare the two line directly across from eachother that create the neck begins. You can draw aline from one side of the neck to the other and the line will be perfectly straight. Now look at A and B. In A the two lines of the beginning of the neck are exactly straight apart, but in B you can see that if you connect the both sides of the neck with a line it will not be straight. Wow I don't know if I just confuse the hell out of u guys or if it helped let me know if u still dont get it cause I dont know how to point it out with arrows and stuff. HAHA

 

[UCB05]

The answer for number one is A. Although there look nearly identical their is one small point of difference. The answer lies in the head of this bird like creature. I really dont know how to explain this or draw it so if you look at the head, then their is also a beak. Where the neck begins is where you can see the difference. Compare the two line directly across from eachother that create the neck begins. You can draw aline from one side of the neck to the other and the line will be perfectly straight. Now look at A and B. In A the two lines of the beginning of the neck are exactly straight apart, but in B you can see that if you connect the both sides of the neck with a line it will not be straight. Wow I don't know if I just confuse the hell out of u guys or if it helped let me know if u still dont get it cause I dont know how to point it out with arrows and stuff. HAHA

Yeah, I see what you're talking about. When looking at the picture from that angle, it seems as if the top part of the neckline should extend beyond the bottom though. The angle of the image threw me with that one. Good job.

 

[prsndwg]

The answer for number one is A. Although there look nearly identical their is one small point of difference. The answer lies in the head of this bird like creature. I really dont know how to explain this or draw it so if you look at the head, then their is also a beak. Where the neck begins is where you can see the difference. Compare the two line directly across from eachother that create the neck begins. You can draw aline from one side of the neck to the other and the line will be perfectly straight. Now look at A and B. In A the two lines of the beginning of the neck are exactly straight apart, but in B you can see that if you connect the both sides of the neck with a line it will not be straight. Wow I don't know if I just confuse the hell out of u guys or if it helped let me know if u still dont get it cause I dont know how to point it out with arrows and stuff. HAHA

wow..amazing.. thanks ..that takes some eyes to be noticed🙄

 

[prsndwg]

Can you please help me with these two..

 

[Avery07]

Can you please help me with these two..

I chose B for both answers. Is that correct?

 

[prsndwg]

I chose B for both answers. Is that correct?

they are indeed correct. tell me why A in 1st and C in 2nd are wrong then?!!

 

[Avery07]

they are indeed correct. tell me why A in 1st and C in 2nd are wrong then?!!

1. It is impossible to get the front view to show a white/black triangle like that. It has to be black/white if looking at it from that view. Try to rotate it in your mind. C's front view could be possible but the side view doesn't match up. D is obviously wrong. If you fold the image from right to left, you can see answer B.


2. I have no idea how you arrived at C. Well maybe I do.. If it's what I think, you should see that the one of the extensions only goes up a short way.. say 1/5 of the other. So I do think it could fit through C, that is not the best answer. Take the image and try to fit it through B looking at it through the bottom. Everything slides through perfectly and uses the keyhole perfectly.


I hope I explained this to where you see it. This is hard to do.

 

[Avery07]

they are indeed correct. tell me why A in 1st and C in 2nd are wrong then?!!

Wait a minute... You're folding the image up. I'm folding it down. If you fold it up, A is a possibility.

Do you know the rules for folding?

 

[Avery07]

Wait a minute... You're folding the image up. I'm folding it down. If you fold it up, A is a possibility.

Do you know the rules for folding?

Based on these directions from TopScore and CrackPAT, A and B should both be possible.

 

[prsndwg]

yup i know them.. i fold it.. now i see my mistake.. I dont follow through when I fold and rotate...

 

[UCB05]

Wait a minute... You're folding the image up. I'm folding it down. If you fold it up, A is a possibility.

Do you know the rules for folding?

Again you can only fold inward. No double-sided printing. The underside of the 2-D paper could be a rainbow swirly sprinkle color scheme for all you know. You can't assume you have any idea what the underside looks like, so you can only fold down, into the page.

 

[Avery07]

yup i know them.. i fold it.. now i see my mistake.. I dont follow through when I fold and rotate...

Now you've got me seeing A as a possibility. Mind explaining why it's not?? As far as I can tell it's all in which direction you fold it and based on those rules I posted.. there's nothing to say any different from folding down vs up.