Courage Defined.

[fakin' the funk]

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Do you have kids?

Does that have anything to do with my point, as above? Of course not.

But for the sake of argument - I don't have kids. That might make me more sensitive to the passing of people's kids, but it doesn't modify the validity of my point, as above.

 

[fakin' the funk]

Sorry to single you out, dude.

I just thought that your original statements were pretty callous. Yeah, maybe he is getting attention based on his stature in society, but I don't think it minimizes what he is going through.

It is something I don't wish anybody should have to go through.

No worries. I don't wish it on anyone either. But talking about it this way doesn't minimize what he's going through - but that wasn't really the OP's topic, or the news story's topic.

It was more of a "Son dies, famous person kicks 3 FG's, how brave" kind of thing. Now "Son dies, man is sad" - to me, that's some visceral stuff.

 

[Pooh & Annie]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

uhhhh....you obviously dont have kids either.....sorry....an assumption....

UHHH, POOH, DO YOU HAVE KIDS?

YES OR NO.

I don't. I have absolutely NO idea how horrible it would feel to lose a child. I can't even imagine it. I can imagine that it would take a LOT of strength to go do your job after such an event. But courage? Courage to me is facing a fear. I have lost loved ones, and I know that the only emotion I felt was horrible sadness. I was pretty numb to any other emotions. Do you think that after losing your child you would fear anything? I guess my only fear would be that the feeling of despair wouldn't go away.

 

[Pooh & Annie]

Other than the 'selfish' argument, I think most of this thread is just an argument of semantics. I'm sure everyone here knows this is a horrible situation, and wishes the best for the guy. Whether he showed courage, strength, or heroism isn't really important.

 

[jetproppilot]

No worries. I don't wish it on anyone either. But talking about it this way doesn't minimize what he's going through - but that wasn't really the OP's topic, or the news story's topic.

It was more of a "Son dies, famous person kicks 3 FG's, how brave" kind of thing. Now "Son dies, man is sad" - to me, that's some visceral stuff.

We all respond to grief in different ways, Slim.

Who are you to judge what the dude did?

Whaddya think about Brett Favre's game a cuppla days after his father's death? Was that selfish? Or an act of courage?

Whaddya think about normal people who choose to respond in similar fashion, albeit without all the glam and glory?

Since everyone else and their mom has JUDGED the dude, I'll chime in with my opinion on what was going thru his head:

Overcome with grief, Dude did what he knew how to do BEST....i.e. kick field goals.....in remembrance of his dead child.

Humans, when facing overwhelming, hopeless grief,, need to find victory somewhere.

In order to carry on.

And if you wanna live alotta years on this planet, you need to learn how to carry on when tragedy strikes you.

Or you'll soon be a pile of carbon just like the dead family member you are mourning.

So again, who are you to judge how Dude dealt with grief?

Just being able to function.....get outta bed....eat.....drive a car....is noteworthy.

Being able to function at any professional level takes COURAGE.

And, uhhhh, I think thats what PIPELINE BRUIN'S OP was about, huh?

Courage.

I'm confident courage is an appropriate term to use in this instance.

 

[jetproppilot]

I don't have any idea what he's going through. I haven't been there. Apparently you have, OK. I was pointing out that this particular person is getting attention over this event because he's already a well-known and wealthy person. Bad things happen to all people, NFL kickers and MS4's alike. But to make a big deal about this guy (I know this is a media issue - juicy human interest stories) being a symbol of courage does a disservice to "regular" people who go through the same thing.

To put it more concisely, I was talking about our interpretation of the event, not the event itself.

...I think.

I couldnt disagree more.

It is a source of inspiration.

Local newspapers frequently carry touching stories of local nobodys facing adversity that are just as emotionally reeling.

Those stories are sources of inspiration too.

You're holding the dude's paycheck against him....saying he deserves less compassion because of his "fame" (uhhh, I'm sure noone recognizes the dude at 7-11) and because of his paycheck.

We're all human, Slim.

We all feel the same grief when adversity strikes.

Whether your monthly paycheck has no commas, one comma, or two.

 

[fakin' the funk]

Who are you to judge what the dude did?

Whaddya think about Brett Favre's game a cuppla days after his father's death? Was that selfish? Or an act of courage?

Whaddya think about normal people who choose to respond in similar fashion, albeit without all the glam and glory?

Since everyone else and their mom has JUDGED the dude, I'll chime in with my opinion on what was going thru his head:

I am not anyone to judge what he did. That's why I didn't judge what he did. You'll note I never qualified his actions or expressed any opinions on his choice(s) whatsoever. I believe you have me confused with Coprolalia. However, after "calling me out" for judging the guy - which I didn't do - you yourself then proceeded to...judge the guy. Nice work. 🙄

And, I never said anyone deserves more or less compassion than anyone else. My point was (again) that I do not believe there is anything special about this guy and the fact that we even know about it is a product of his already-established fame. There are lots of people out there who go through the same thing, all equally grief-stricken and worthy of sympathy. As I said before, tragedy strikes all people, NFL kickers and MS4's alike.

And furthermore, I completely agree with Pooh that the majority of this thread is sematics.

 

[radslooking]

We all respond to grief in different ways, Slim.

Who are you to judge what the dude did?

Whaddya think about Brett Favre's game a cuppla days after his father's death? Was that selfish? Or an act of courage?

Whaddya think about normal people who choose to respond in similar fashion, albeit without all the glam and glory?

Since everyone else and their mom has JUDGED the dude, I'll chime in with my opinion on what was going thru his head:

Overcome with grief, Dude did what he knew how to do BEST....i.e. kick field goals.....in remembrance of his dead child.

Humans, when facing overwhelming, hopeless grief,, need to find victory somewhere.

In order to carry on.

And if you wanna live alotta years on this planet, you need to learn how to carry on when tragedy strikes you.

Or you'll soon be a pile of carbon just like the dead family member you are mourning.

So again, who are you to judge how Dude dealt with grief?

Just being able to function.....get outta bed....eat.....drive a car....is noteworthy.

Being able to function at any professional level takes COURAGE.

And, uhhhh, I think thats what PIPELINE BRUIN'S OP was about, huh?

Courage.

I'm confident courage is an appropriate term to use in this instance.

thanks jet, nice post.