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CPJE board exam breached?
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They don't have to wait 90 days???
Results come out today! Congrats to those who passed.
This was that retake? Or did they just release the old breached exam results. Haven’t been following.
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This was that retake? Or did they just release the old breached exam results. Haven’t been following.
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The retake from last month.
Most recent 2019 Pass Rates (April to November 2019):
67% overall. Page 3 shows percent by school.
67% overall. Page 3 shows percent by school.
Good thing the new CA schools are really helping the shortage with only 60-70% of their grads able to get licensed
roflllll i love this. CPJE is a huge pile of **** joke looool. i took that damn exam and it is laughable. not a law exam at all and is basically naplex 2.0 but much harder. obviously i didn't pass. i thought i'd want to try for the CA license while i was fresh out of school, but no big deal. i feel sorry for people wo actually live in CA. the exam is so toxic, so sad
Most recent 2019 Pass Rates (April to November 2019):
67% overall. Page 3 shows percent by school.
Failure rate:
2018: 22%
2019: 33%
Failure rate went up 50% after they replaced the contaminated questions. Is this a clear indication there was a lot of cheating?
Failure rate:
2018: 22%
2019: 33%
Failure rate went up 50% after they replaced the contaminated questions. Is this a clear indication there was a lot of cheating?
Eh, I am not that impressed with that statistic. What was the trend before that? It’s probably been on the decline for a while just due to the sheer number/quality of graduates.
Page 2 at least confirms: "Evidence indicated widespread subversion by applicants who shared information about the exam questions through electronic communications." Someone made a Google Doc or something? Or just generic electronic communication meaning testing? We will see, it says they are still investigating with the DCA.
Found it! Seems like the only one I could find so far. Loma Linda student. Case pending, it's the bottom one here:
Both linked docs contain similar information:
https://www.pharmacy.ca.gov/enforcement/accusations/ac196869.pdf - 12/20/2019 - Accusation Filed
https://www.pharmacy.ca.gov/enforcement/accusations/si196883.pdf - 02/18/2020
"Respondent took the California Practice Standards and Jurisprudence Examination for Pharmacists (CPJE) on July 25, 2019. Prior to that date, Respondent knowingly obtained a document containing unauthorized reproduction of several questions that had been improperly taken, removed, and/or copied from the CPJE. Respondent utilized that document to prepare for the CPJE, and also shared the document with at least two other individuals preparing for the CPJE. Respondent obtained additional questions improperly taken, removed, and/or copied from the CPJE through conversations and written communications with other individuals who had already taken the exam."
Relatedly, this UCSD student in a separate incident was blamed early on for the whole thing through rumors, but hers only says:
"On or about July 9, 2019, during a pharmacist licensing examination, Respondent reproduced without authorization, portions of the actual licensing examination on her scratch paper." Sounds like she got caught at the testing center maybe?
Found her accusation filings here (same info but just shows progression):
Accusations Filed Cases Pending for October 2019 - California State Board of Pharmacy - October 2, 2019 (name misspelled)
Accusations Filed Cases Pending for July 2019 - California State Board of Pharmacy - July 19, 2019
Accusations Filed Cases Pending for January 2020 - California State Board of Pharmacy - January 2020
Tedious to look through, but here are all the board accusations that get filed and you can glance through Intern licenses:
www.pharmacy.ca.gov
There is a separate page for actions against licenses after they are finalized.
Both linked docs contain similar information:
https://www.pharmacy.ca.gov/enforcement/accusations/ac196869.pdf - 12/20/2019 - Accusation Filed
https://www.pharmacy.ca.gov/enforcement/accusations/si196883.pdf - 02/18/2020
"Respondent took the California Practice Standards and Jurisprudence Examination for Pharmacists (CPJE) on July 25, 2019. Prior to that date, Respondent knowingly obtained a document containing unauthorized reproduction of several questions that had been improperly taken, removed, and/or copied from the CPJE. Respondent utilized that document to prepare for the CPJE, and also shared the document with at least two other individuals preparing for the CPJE. Respondent obtained additional questions improperly taken, removed, and/or copied from the CPJE through conversations and written communications with other individuals who had already taken the exam."
Relatedly, this UCSD student in a separate incident was blamed early on for the whole thing through rumors, but hers only says:
"On or about July 9, 2019, during a pharmacist licensing examination, Respondent reproduced without authorization, portions of the actual licensing examination on her scratch paper." Sounds like she got caught at the testing center maybe?
Found her accusation filings here (same info but just shows progression):
Accusations Filed Cases Pending for October 2019 - California State Board of Pharmacy - October 2, 2019 (name misspelled)
Accusations Filed Cases Pending for July 2019 - California State Board of Pharmacy - July 19, 2019
Accusations Filed Cases Pending for January 2020 - California State Board of Pharmacy - January 2020
Tedious to look through, but here are all the board accusations that get filed and you can glance through Intern licenses:
Accusations Filed - California State Board of Pharmacy
There is a separate page for actions against licenses after they are finalized.
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Thank you for this, I almost forgot about this whole thing!
I skimmed the UCSD student’s stipulated order. It appears that she is still eligible to obtain an RPh license and just needs to complete an ethics course within two years, blah blah.
That case was flimsy, at best. It was my understanding she was just copying questions into her native language on paper, and that paper never left the testing room? This was face saving, nothing more. I’d even say this is borderline racist against non-native speakers as there was zero risk for exam compromise...now you’re making her pay $18,000 to the state for the investigation?
Garbage. That’s straight racist garbage.
I’ll read the Loma Linda case later. Interesting stuff.
I skimmed the UCSD student’s stipulated order. It appears that she is still eligible to obtain an RPh license and just needs to complete an ethics course within two years, blah blah.
That case was flimsy, at best. It was my understanding she was just copying questions into her native language on paper, and that paper never left the testing room? This was face saving, nothing more. I’d even say this is borderline racist against non-native speakers as there was zero risk for exam compromise...now you’re making her pay $18,000 to the state for the investigation?
Garbage. That’s straight racist garbage.
I’ll read the Loma Linda case later. Interesting stuff.
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Everyone, by letter of the law, reproduces some part of the exam on scratch paper by virtue of using it. If the exam question was “Joe has 5 tablets in each vial and has 2 vials, what is the total?” scribbling 5 x 2 on scratch paper is technically reproducing part of the exam under that code.
Hope y’all don’t get that proctor, ever (anyone remember the exam proctor company?)
Hope y’all don’t get that proctor, ever (anyone remember the exam proctor company?)
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Made some minor edits for clarification.I'm confused. Did this Samuel Yang applicant somehow obtain the document written by Yuna Kim? That's the only way I can make sense of Yang being denied and Kim getting the license.
These are two separate board actions and incidents. I don’t know if the students knew each other at all, less likely if from different schools.
Maybe the BOP used the fact that potential cheating happened in separate cases to help justify their action to scrap the whole test? Or just the fact that sharing occurred for Yang’s case which sounds more potentially widespread.
Still think this was handled poorly and they could have just gone back to punish whoever communicated with Yang or had a trail showing they viewed/shared any online documents. Even if widespread I think the public and interns/residents ended up suffering far more than any benefit to protecting the exam had. It was one big CYA to go with the nuclear option.
CPJE is still a ridiculous non-law exam anyway. If Veterans Affairs residencies in CA don’t care if you get a CA license by jumping through months-long hoops of re-memorizing NAPLEX info and waiting for slow BOP responses vs. just signing up for one without an exam through the Idaho website, maybe there’s something wrong with using the test as a barrier to practice. Focus should be on low barrier to licensure and then board certification and/or extra training to solidify clinical information or raise the bar for more independent practice areas.
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I agree on the low barrier to liscensure. Like 65% to pass for MPJE rather than 75. 75% still for passing NAPLEX. NAPLEX is easier in my opinion than MPJEMade some minor edits for clarification.
These are two separate board actions and incidents. I don’t know if the students knew each other at all, less likely if from different schools.
Maybe the BOP used the fact that potential cheating happened in separate cases to help justify their action to scrap the whole test? Or just the fact that sharing occurred for Yang’s case which sounds more potentially widespread.
Still think this was handled poorly and they could have just gone back to punish whoever communicated with Yang or had a trail showing they viewed/shared any online documents. Even if widespread I think the public and interns/residents ended up suffering far more than any benefit to protecting the exam had. It was one big CYA to go with the nuclear option.
CPJE is still a ridiculous non-law exam anyway. If Veterans Affairs residencies in CA don’t care if you get a CA license by jumping through months-long hoops of re-memorizing NAPLEX info and waiting for slow BOP responses vs. just signing up for one without an exam through the Idaho website, maybe there’s something wrong with using the test as a barrier to practice. Focus should be on low barrier to licensure and then board certification and/or extra training to solidify clinical information or raise the bar for more independent practice areas.
Made some minor edits for clarification.
These are two separate board actions and incidents. I don’t know if the students knew each other at all, less likely if from different schools.
Maybe the BOP used the fact that potential cheating happened in separate cases to help justify their action to scrap the whole test? Or just the fact that sharing occurred for Yang’s case which sounds more potentially widespread.
Still think this was handled poorly and they could have just gone back to punish whoever communicated with Yang or had a trail showing they viewed/shared any online documents. Even if widespread I think the public and interns/residents ended up suffering far more than any benefit to protecting the exam had. It was one big CYA to go with the nuclear option.
CPJE is still a ridiculous non-law exam anyway. If Veterans Affairs residencies in CA don’t care if you get a CA license by jumping through months-long hoops of re-memorizing NAPLEX info and waiting for slow BOP responses vs. just signing up for one without an exam through the Idaho website, maybe there’s something wrong with using the test as a barrier to practice. Focus should be on low barrier to licensure and then board certification and/or extra training to solidify clinical information or raise the bar for more independent practice areas.
+1 for CPJE is a ridiculous exam... it ain't close to a "law" exam and is unnecessarily difficult
For the record, my previous post was edited by a moderator for including a TV/radio-friendly censored version of the f-word when referring to and denouncing racism.
My opinion still stands, I meant what I said.
Carry on!
My opinion still stands, I meant what I said.
Carry on!
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