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Fluffy Pomeranian

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Long post ahead but just want to provide as much detail as possible. So there is this basic science professor (PhD, not MD) at my medical school that has repeatedly acted unprofessionally apparently for years and has never gotten called out on it. I just finished my 2nd year and took Step 1, so I'm wondering if now would be a good time to speak to someone about her, now that I will no longer be seeing her or taking classes with her. I mentioned her unprofessional behavior in several course evaluations, but I doubt anyone really cares about those since they are anonymous. Some examples...

She goes out of her way to find out both academic and personal information about students and then shares this with her "favorite" students. A guy in our class had failed two classes the first semester of M1. One day he walks into lab late during the second semester and she stops her lecture to make a comment like, "maybe if you could make it to class on time, you wouldn't have failed your ___ and ___ classes" in front of the entire class and then laughs. The student was clearly embarrassed.

A friend of mine had to remediate a class over the summer. She found out about this and told of our classmates that the student had failed the remediation (which wasn't even true) and wouldn't be returning. When my friend did return to school, he was bombarded with multiple people asking him how he got to come back.

She spread rumors about a couple students in our class who she didn't like about how they had paid their way into getting accepted to the school through large donations. This professor isn't even on the adcom, but she manages to get a hold of everyone's applications and finds things in them to embarrass students about, like lower than average mcat scores, etc. I'm sure this rumor is in no way based in truth, but probably a good percentage of our class has heard it by now, which is really unfair to those two students who got in due to their merits, not money.

During the fall of our M2 year, I had to have surgery due to an unforeseen medical condition. The dean was nice enough to let me make up the exams I would be missing during the 2.5 weeks I had to take off for the surgery and recovery instead of making me take a LoA or remediating in the summer. I didn't tell any of my classmates the reason for my absence, as I felt it was personal and didn't want a big deal made about it. One of the exams I was going to miss during my absence was for this professor's course, so I did speak to her ahead of time and told her the reason I would be gone and the reason for my surgery. I didn't actually ask her to keep this information between the two of us, but I guess I expected that any reasonable person would just do that without being told. When I returned, I found out that this professor had in fact told several of the students she was close to about it, who had then told many others, and soon I had basically all my classmates coming up to me and asking me if I was okay, which is what I wanted to avoid in the first place.

These are just some examples of the way this professor acts on a daily basis. I feel that she is incredibly unprofessional and believe the reason she has gotten away with it is because many students and even other faculty feel intimidated by her. Should I go to the dean about this to try to put an end to it? I'm afraid he will want to avoid having to take action and may just ignore me. Is there someone else higher up that would be better to speak to? I'm also afraid, if the dean and the school take her side, that they will view me as a complainer or trouble-maker and will be reflected negatively in my dean's letter in the future. Any advice?
 
lol no. that's just asking for trouble.

If it really bothered me, I would go about it differently, but then no one has ever accused me of being the most mature person.
 
If you really want to do something about this, talk to other students, write up a petition of sorts, get signatures. There has to be substantial backing for something like this to go through.
 
Absolutely go to your dean of students or dean of education. Their jobs exist to protect students like you and handle such manners in a delicate manner. If they believe at all in the spirit of "professionalism", they'll get the problem fixed. You don't need to go to the trouble of doing a petition because such a pervasive pattern of behavior should have come out through course evals that those deans can look through retrospectively.
 
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@Fluffy Pomeranian... That professor is a piece of work if what you stated are true. I would complain about her after I got matched if I were in your position...
 
Lol what kind of professor is going to do that much stuff to risk their career? You know you've lost at life when you have a PhD and feel the need to harass other students to be buddy buddy with some 22 yr olds. I have an automatic DNR that goes into effect if this ever somehow becomes my fate.
 
Absolutely go to your dean of students or dean of education. Their jobs exist to protect students like you and handle such manners in a delicate manner. If they believe at all in the spirit of "professionalism", they'll get the problem fixed. You don't need to go to the trouble of doing a petition because such a pervasive pattern of behavior should have come out through course evals that those deans can look through retrospectively.

You're kidding right? Most Deans of Students Affairs are absolutely powerless when it comes to unprofessional faculty. Their job is to maintain order among students as well as rudimentary career advising. Protecting students is toward the low end of their list (and belittlement does not fall into the same category as say, sexual harassment). In real implementation, the "professionalism" shtick is with respect to evaluation of students. There is a long and drawn out process when it comes to firing a faculty member, including a PhD basic science faculty, bc those types are hard to get to teach medical school basic science courses (something they don't enjoy doing). I guarantee you if this happens, it will boomerang and hit the student making the complaint. There are NO protections when it comes to students.
 
If you really want to do something about this, talk to other students, write up a petition of sorts, get signatures. There has to be substantial backing for something like this to go through.
This isn't college.
 
Yes, exactly. This is the best solution.

Should I start collecting evidence in the meantime? And if so, in what ways? I still have access to all the lecture recordings from 1st and 2nd year, but should I also try to get statements from people?
 
Should I start collecting evidence in the meantime? And if so, in what ways? I still have access to all the lecture recordings from 1st and 2nd year, but should I also try to get statements from people?
I wouldn't get statements from people now. Too early in the process, not to mention they may rat you out. Are the lecture recordings your own?
 
Wow, and the professor still did this while being recorded by the med school for students?!?! Unbelievable. I would keep them for now.

Well some of this occurred during lecture, like inappropriate comments and jokes made at the expense of students, and so it was recorded. But a lot of the more 'serious' offenses happened outside of lecture, so that's why I thought getting statements from people who know about it would be the only form of evidence. PM me if you want more details or examples of what I'm talking about
 
Well some of this occurred during lecture, like inappropriate comments and jokes made at the expense of students, and so it was recorded. But a lot of the more 'serious' offenses happened outside of lecture, so that's why I thought getting statements from people who know about it would be the only form of evidence. PM me if you want more details or examples of what I'm talking about
I would get statements only after you have matched and have no more requirements left in your degree.
 
Well some of this occurred during lecture, like inappropriate comments and jokes made at the expense of students, and so it was recorded. But a lot of the more 'serious' offenses happened outside of lecture, so that's why I thought getting statements from people who know about it would be the only form of evidence. PM me if you want more details or examples of what I'm talking about


Good luck, It sucks to have to deal with people like this. Also, is it me or are science faculty more immature and socially inept than other professors? Well at least that was my experience in college.
 
I am astounded about med school bureaucracy... Like @DermViser said, wait after you have matched to formally start the process because these people have too much power and they can punish you at will.
 
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I would get statements only after you have matched and have no more requirements left in your degree.

Definitely the smartest move. If you did anything at this point, you would probably end up in more trouble than the professor. Fighting the school is way too much to deal with (especially since you have other things to worry about at this point).
Also, as far as I understood, you have passed her course so there is no need to rush. If you still want to do it when you graduate, go ahead, but for now, just leave it.
 
Thanks for the advice so far! Would her sharing my personal medical info with other students be considered a HIPAA violation? Or no, because she isn't a healthcare professional?

I was thinking of going to visit her office and bringing up the fact that she shared my medical info with my classmates and record the conversation in order to have evidence because I can't think of any other way to have really solid evidence. Is this a bad idea?

I understand what you all are saying about waiting until I graduate. But I really feel that this professor's actions have directly impacted my and many of my classmate's education in ways that shouldn't be allowed to happen (especially when med students get hit with professionalism violations left and right over nothing), and I wouldn't want future students to have to deal with this too. This is more related to some other incidents that I have not mentioned here, but if you would like to know about, you can PM me.
 
Thanks for the advice so far! Would her sharing my personal medical info with other students be considered a HIPAA violation? Or no, because she isn't a healthcare professional?

I was thinking of going to visit her office and bringing up the fact that she shared my medical info with my classmates and record the conversation in order to have evidence because I can't think of any other way to have really solid evidence. Is this a bad idea?

I understand what you all are saying about waiting until I graduate. But I really feel that this professor's actions have directly impacted my and many of my classmate's education in ways that shouldn't be allowed to happen (especially when med students get hit with professionalism violations left and right over nothing), and I wouldn't want future students to have to deal with this too. This is more related to some other incidents that I have not mentioned here, but if you would like to know about, you can PM me.
Up to you. Just make an informed decision. The problem with waiting until you match is you probably won't care enough to bother anymore by then.
 
Thanks for the advice so far! Would her sharing my personal medical info with other students be considered a HIPAA violation? Or no, because she isn't a healthcare professional?

I was thinking of going to visit her office and bringing up the fact that she shared my medical info with my classmates and record the conversation in order to have evidence because I can't think of any other way to have really solid evidence. Is this a bad idea?

I understand what you all are saying about waiting until I graduate. But I really feel that this professor's actions have directly impacted my and many of my classmate's education in ways that shouldn't be allowed to happen (especially when med students get hit with professionalism violations left and right over nothing), and I wouldn't want future students to have to deal with this too. This is more related to some other incidents that I have not mentioned here, but if you would like to know about, you can PM me.

Lol considering she's not an MD who's treating you for a medical condition im going with no.
 
Thanks for the advice so far! Would her sharing my personal medical info with other students be considered a HIPAA violation? Or no, because she isn't a healthcare professional?

I was thinking of going to visit her office and bringing up the fact that she shared my medical info with my classmates and record the conversation in order to have evidence because I can't think of any other way to have really solid evidence. Is this a bad idea?

I understand what you all are saying about waiting until I graduate. But I really feel that this professor's actions have directly impacted my and many of my classmate's education in ways that shouldn't be allowed to happen (especially when med students get hit with professionalism violations left and right over nothing), and I wouldn't want future students to have to deal with this too. This is more related to some other incidents that I have not mentioned here, but if you would like to know about, you can PM me.
Depending on the laws of the state recording someone without their permission can be prosecuted. Tread carefully. @Anatomoses also brings up a very good point. Although you have enough evidence now to at least put something in her file before you leave.
 
Lol considering she's not an MD who's treating you for a medical condition im going with no.

True, but given her status of authority, sharing her student's personal information has to violate some code of conduct in the school.

given that most students will want to protect themselves, you're not going to get things done through them.
if i were you, i'd write an anonymous letter to dean about her behavior if you think it'll make you feel better.

a slap on her wrist in exchange for risking your career isn't worth it lol
 
Isn't inappropriately sharing academic records of students a FERPA violation...? Don't know why that specific law hasn't been brought up yet...
 
Isn't inappropriately sharing academic records of students a FERPA violation...? Don't know why that specific law hasn't been brought up yet...

If she is getting access to the records personally, it would be a clear violation of FERPA, to the best of my knowledge.

This is a good point, and after reading more about the law, it seems like she has violated it multiple times. What do you mean by getting access to the records personally? Can professors normally see your grades for classes besides the ones they teach? Otherwise I'm not sure how she gets all the info she has.
 
You read my mind on this one. As if medical students don't beat themselves enough re: their grades, now they have PhD faculty to ostracize them even further? Disgusting.

Come over to the Psychiatry forum. Psyd who are not even phds just got prescription rights in Illinois.
 
I am astounded about med school bureaucracy... Like @DermViser said, wait after you have matched to formally start the process because these people have too much power and they can punish you at will.

Wait until you're an employed attending at a hospital. There will be nurses and social workers bossing you around.
 
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