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I have a few questions about this. No felonies on my record but I did some stupid things when I was 18 and got arrested a few times. Are there any restrictions that would keep me from getting a medical license? What do they ask specifically when you apply for your license when you start residency?

If anyone has any specific info I would really appreciate it!!
 
I have a few questions about this. No felonies on my record but I did some stupid things when I was 18 and got arrested a few times. Are there any restrictions that would keep me from getting a medical license? What do they ask specifically when you apply for your license when you start residency?

If anyone has any specific info I would really appreciate it!!

Can't speak for a medical license, but your school will do a background check on you. If you were 18 (an adult) they will show up. At my school there were a few people that had DUI's in the past, they had to write a paper about how they had changed/made a mistake etc'. According to the AMA the only things that schools are looking for is major felonies on your adult record, no juvie stuff. If memory stands, the big three were drug convictions, violent crimes, and criminal neglect of someone under your care.
 
I have a few questions about this. No felonies on my record but I did some stupid things when I was 18 and got arrested a few times. Are there any restrictions that would keep me from getting a medical license? What do they ask specifically when you apply for your license when you start residency?

If anyone has any specific info I would really appreciate it!!

You will get the chance to explain your criminal record on your med school apps. As for board licensing, advice on this thread says that simple misdemeanors from your college years won't hurt your license app. The Med Boards just want you to be honest, so you will have to mention it on your app.
 
Were you convicted of the crimes? Were they felonies or misdemeanors? These are important questions.



I have a few questions about this. No felonies on my record but I did some stupid things when I was 18 and got arrested a few times. Are there any restrictions that would keep me from getting a medical license? What do they ask specifically when you apply for your license when you start residency?

If anyone has any specific info I would really appreciate it!!
 
All misdemeanors.. Here is the info straight from the FBI.

Agg assault - no sentence filed, I think it was dismissed (I was 17 at the time on this one, how is it showing up???)

Theft - no sentence filed (I think I grabbed a CD palyer that was on a counter)

Theft (it was actually shoplifting, a bottle of Jack) - guilty
Unlawful use of weapons (had a knife in my pocket, didn't use it) - guilty

Agg assault - guilty.. Pointed a BB gun at 2 guys.

This was all when I was 18. I'm 30 now and have done plenty of positive things to make up for it!! What do you guys think? Honestly will probably be the best policy about it, but do you see any major problems? Will the agg assaults be considered violent crimes and be held against me? They weren't domestic violence or anything like that.
 
And FYI the school did a background check and i'm still there! It was all a long time ago and it seems like a whole different life ago.
 
Usually the background check is done after you get your acceptance to medical school. Whether that will affect the school's decision -- that's up to the school and their individual policy regarding the matters.

A lot of residencies will want to do background checks and in some case, child-abuse clearance (depending on whether you will be working with kids). It is up to each individual program/institution how they will handle a positive background check.

BUT your question is in regards to medical licensing. Again, it really depends on the state board. Some boards are strict, others may be more forgiving. The most important thing is to be up front with it since discovering something during the "process" can exacerbate a situation. Since this may potentially involve your career (and earning potential), it would be wise and strongly encouraged to seek the advice of a legal professional who deals with professional licensing issues (ie expert).

If you want, you may contact the state boards in the states you wish to practice to see what their policy are (each state is govern by their own seperate laws, regulations, and rulings from courts)

A good place to start will be the Federation of State Medical Boards. From there, they have links to all state medical (and state osteopathic if applicable) boards.

http://www.fsmb.org (go to Public Services, then Directory of State Medical Boards)
 
i have several classmates with minor in possesion of alcohol misdemeanors, obviously overlooked
 
I would worry about the assualt charges. They might keep you out of healthcare period. I know assualt charges can sometimes prevent working in a healthcare setting. Also, sometimes VA hospitals/nursing homes will even prevent someone from working there with theft charges. I would contact a lawyer and/or schools about these past charges. You could always place a call to your state medical board to see if you could gain a license.

I'm not surprised medical schools overlooked DUI charges, at least one anyways. Two DUI and most certainly they would be out.
 
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I would suggest getting a lawyer and getting that expunged. Shouldn't be a problem with you being a model citizen for the last 12 years.
 
I would suggest getting a lawyer and getting that expunged. Shouldn't be a problem with you being a model citizen for the last 12 years.

I was going to take care of that about a year ago.. Just never got around to it. Now I wish I wasn't a procrastinator.
 
All misdemeanors.. Here is the info straight from the FBI.

Agg assault - no sentence filed, I think it was dismissed (I was 17 at the time on this one, how is it showing up???)

Theft - no sentence filed (I think I grabbed a CD palyer that was on a counter)

Theft (it was actually shoplifting, a bottle of Jack) - guilty
Unlawful use of weapons (had a knife in my pocket, didn't use it) - guilty

Agg assault - guilty.. Pointed a BB gun at 2 guys.

This was all when I was 18. I'm 30 now and have done plenty of positive things to make up for it!! What do you guys think? Honestly will probably be the best policy about it, but do you see any major problems? Will the agg assaults be considered violent crimes and be held against me? They weren't domestic violence or anything like that.

Honestly ... the only saving grace you may have is being 30 now. Because otherwise your background is too much, and you would have to report all the convicted offenses, and all the other ones will come up. It's a lot ... and multiple thefts and assults do not look good.
 
I agree with sentiments above. Be honest on your applications when they ask about arrests. If all they ask about are felonies, you can answer no honestly. The medical boards will want to know about ALL arrests, so unless you get them expunged you will need to report them. I would definitely start talking with a criminal attorney about expungement. Since it was so long ago, you unfortunately might not be able to fully expunge the arrests, but chances are you can do something to make them look prettier.

I'm sure you're aware of this, but it's worth reiterating: don't add on any new charges. For example, make absolutely sure there is no way you can get arrested for DUI.

I wouldn't expect these misdemeanors to prevent you from getting licensed, but the process will be more cumbersome. Some states are more difficult than others. I wouldn't recommend doing residency in Texas.
 
Honestly ... the only saving grace you may have is being 30 now. Because otherwise your background is too much, and you would have to report all the convicted offenses, and all the other ones will come up. It's a lot ... and multiple thefts and assults do not look good.

Yes, my saving grace is that it was a long time ago. I was a stupid 17-18 year old kid at the time. Done a few things since then to straighten myself out, military and other good stuff..
 
Yes, my saving grace is that it was a long time ago. I was a stupid 17-18 year old kid at the time. Done a few things since then to straighten myself out, military and other good stuff..

What state did all of this happen in?
 
As someone filing a state resident's license right now...I can tell you that when you apply the forms state that you MUST list everything. Misdemeanor & felony expunged & convicted must all go onto the form. Full disclosure is key, but you really should contact the state board you would be working in.
 
Yes, my saving grace is that it was a long time ago. I was a stupid 17-18 year old kid at the time. Done a few things since then to straighten myself out, military and other good stuff..

The military will look good. Honorable discharge I assume??
 
As someone filing a state resident's license right now...I can tell you that when you apply the forms state that you MUST list everything. Misdemeanor & felony expunged & convicted must all go onto the form. Full disclosure is key, but you really should contact the state board you would be working in.

The legal definition of expungement is basically the justice system saying the event never happened, and that's law. If you've had an expungement, the court has instructed all federal, state, and local agencies to erase your records, and that no authority has the right or the permission to even know that an expungement has taken place, then that includes any and all licensing boards, and even governmental agencies. Sorry.
 
but we all know that sometimes expungement takes time to happen and paperwork gets lost. You would be far better off listing everything and then saying "expunged" next to it.
 
The legal definition of expungement is basically the justice system saying the event never happened, and that's law. If you've had an expungement, the court has instructed all federal, state, and local agencies to erase your records, and that no authority has the right or the permission to even know that an expungement has taken place, then that includes any and all licensing boards, and even governmental agencies. Sorry.

This is true from my understanding. According to the state web site you can state that you have never even been arrested.
 
Expungement is just smoke and mirrors. If they want to they can find out about it. It just takes more work.
 
All misdemeanors.. Here is the info straight from the FBI.

Agg assault - no sentence filed, I think it was dismissed (I was 17 at the time on this one, how is it showing up???)

Theft - no sentence filed (I think I grabbed a CD palyer that was on a counter)

Theft (it was actually shoplifting, a bottle of Jack) - guilty
Unlawful use of weapons (had a knife in my pocket, didn't use it) - guilty

Agg assault - guilty.. Pointed a BB gun at 2 guys.

This was all when I was 18. I'm 30 now and have done plenty of positive things to make up for it!! What do you guys think? Honestly will probably be the best policy about it, but do you see any major problems? Will the agg assaults be considered violent crimes and be held against me? They weren't domestic violence or anything like that.

What about having a screen name DoctorPimpDaddy. Shouldn't that be listed as well.
 
Expungement is just smoke and mirrors. If they want to they can find out about it. It just takes more work.

Not much work at all actually. Expungement, in my opinion, really only works for things that happen prior to 18, not 'getting things expunged.' There are ALWAYS records of situations floating around somewhere, and cbc people will find them ... which will reveal what happened anyway. The good news is if you get something expunged and AACOMAS/AMCAS says don't report things that are expunged and it comes up ... you did what they asked, and it technically can't be held against you.

OP, with that said ... in my opinion you should answer every question honestly, but don't answer anything you aren't asked. IE: don't put things that are expunged bc they say not too. If they wanted to know about it, they would have asked and there is honestly no point in selling yourself short. Answer honestly, but only answer what you are asked.
 
Expungement is just smoke and mirrors. If they want to they can find out about it. It just takes more work.

This all depends on the state/municipality the offense happened in. I know of a case where somebody had a misdemeanor expunged and the town in which the case happened never reported any of it to the state. Consequently, the offense never appears on background checks because most such checks never bother to look any deeper than state records for offenses.
 
The legal definition of expungement is basically the justice system saying the event never happened, and that's law. If you've had an expungement, the court has instructed all federal, state, and local agencies to erase your records, and that no authority has the right or the permission to even know that an expungement has taken place, then that includes any and all licensing boards, and even governmental agencies. Sorry.

Smoke & mirrors is right. Since you have never applied for a medical license you don't really have any clue what is requested & stated on a state medical license. I told you & the OP what was stated on the application form so you can tell me what your daddy's lawyer said when you got your DUI or Minor In Possession charge 'expunged', but that doesn't mean anything to a state medical board.

And BTW, IMHO, 2 aggravated assault charges are kind of a red-flag. This happening twice implies something about a person's nature or even judgement that was more than just a simple one-time misunderstanding. The OP may have changed a lot, but they occurred while he was technically an adult & should have had some insight into the potential reprocussions of that type of action.
 
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Kinda sorta. It differs in states so somethings may still exist such as fingerprint and arrest records.

The legal definition of expungement is basically the justice system saying the event never happened, and that's law. If you've had an expungement, the court has instructed all federal, state, and local agencies to erase your records, and that no authority has the right or the permission to even know that an expungement has taken place, then that includes any and all licensing boards, and even governmental agencies. Sorry.
 
Smoke & mirrors is right. Since you have never applied for a medical license you don't really have any clue what is requested & stated on a state medical license. I told you & the OP what was stated on the application form so you can tell me what your daddy's lawyer said when you got your DUI or Minor In Possession charge 'expunged', but that doesn't mean anything to a state medical board.

And BTW, IMHO, 2 aggravated assault charges are kind of a red-flag. This happening twice implies something about a person's nature or even judgement that was more than just a simple one-time misunderstanding. The OP may have changed a lot, but they occurred while he was technically an adult & should have had some insight into the potential reprocussions of that type of action.

Directly from the state web site it says that when something is expunged the records are destroyed and your name is removed from the public record. After that, the state police remove your name from their record. The jurisdiction in which you were prosecuted will then contact the FBI and have it removed.

I believe you have expungement and sealed confused. If a record is sealed then private agencies cannot access it but law enforcement can.

After this is all done, you request a FBI records background check to make sure everything is gone.

If that comes back clean, then good to go. Can't tell me that if I have a clean FBI record check, which is what they will/might use that they will hire someone to cover every single private record in the world for every single license.

Actually if you read closer one of them is when I was 17 and technically NOT an adult, no conviction either, it was dismissed if I remember correctly.

P.S. are you a lawyer or a judge yourself, or just speaking from what you think?
 
Smoke & mirrors is right. Since you have never applied for a medical license you don't really have any clue what is requested & stated on a state medical license. I told you & the OP what was stated on the application form so you can tell me what your daddy's lawyer said when you got your DUI or Minor In Possession charge 'expunged', but that doesn't mean anything to a state medical board.

And BTW, IMHO, 2 aggravated assault charges are kind of a red-flag. This happening twice implies something about a person's nature or even judgement that was more than just a simple one-time misunderstanding. The OP may have changed a lot, but they occurred while he was technically an adult & should have had some insight into the potential reprocussions of that type of action.

I have a copy of the state medical license application. It does ask if you have been arrested, convicted and whatever. Doesn't ask if anything has been expunged. According to the state in which this all happened, I get to say no. If there is a conflict i'm still justified to state "n"o according to the state where this all happened.
 
Directly from the state web site it says that when something is expunged the records are destroyed and your name is removed from the public record. After that, the state police remove your name from their record. The jurisdiction in which you were prosecuted will then contact the FBI and have it removed.

I believe you have expungement and sealed confused. If a record is sealed then private agencies cannot access it but law enforcement can.

After this is all done, you request a FBI records background check to make sure everything is gone.

If that comes back clean, then good to go. Can't tell me that if I have a clean FBI record check, which is what they will/might use that they will hire someone to cover every single private record in the world for every single license.

Actually if you read closer one of them is when I was 17 and technically NOT an adult, no conviction either, it was dismissed if I remember correctly.

P.S. are you a lawyer or a judge yourself, or just speaking from what you think?

I am not a judge or lawyer...I was telling you what is on my application for state licensure. Now, for the sake of ending this stupid freaking argument I will quote word for word the application question.

"6. Have you ever been convicted of, or entered a plea of guilty, nolo contendere, or no contest to a crime other than a minor traffic offense, in any jurisdiction? You must include all misdeameanors and felonies, even if adjudication was withheld by the court so that you would not have a record of conviction. (For example, you must report if your conviction was expunged, you received a deferred judgment, or you received an executive pardon.) Driving under the influence or driving while impaired is not a minor traffic offense.
If yes, provide details of the charge and the final outcome. Provide copies of any court/legal documents related to each incident."


That is only one of the questions relating to previous trouble with the law. At the beginning of this section of the application is instructs that FULL DISCLOSURE is expected & sanctions can be imposed by the board if incidents are discovered that are not disclosed by the applicant.

Having sanctions against you before you even begin practice as a resident isn't exactly the best start to a medical career. You want to enter a profession where integrity is of utmost importance b/c of the type of information & responsibility that comes with our job.
 
Directly from the state web site it says that when something is expunged the records are destroyed and your name is removed from the public record. After that, the state police remove your name from their record. The jurisdiction in which you were prosecuted will then contact the FBI and have it removed.

I believe you have expungement and sealed confused. If a record is sealed then private agencies cannot access it but law enforcement can.

After this is all done, you request a FBI records background check to make sure everything is gone.

If that comes back clean, then good to go. Can't tell me that if I have a clean FBI record check, which is what they will/might use that they will hire someone to cover every single private record in the world for every single license.

Actually if you read closer one of them is when I was 17 and technically NOT an adult, no conviction either, it was dismissed if I remember correctly.

P.S. are you a lawyer or a judge yourself, or just speaking from what you think?


pm law2doc. she's a former lawyer, now a med student. she'll give you actual advice that you can hang your hat on. if she doesn't know, then she'll tell you and you should contact a lawyer.
 
:caution:

Please keep the tone of this thread civil and professional.

Failure to do so will lead to closure of thread, warnings, and infarctions.


Each states have their own laws in regard to expungement. Each states have their own laws in regards to medical licensure. What is true in one state will not necessarily be true in another.

My strong advice is to seek professional legal help - not legal advice and definition from premeds, medical stdents, or doctors. And it would be wise to use a seperate lawyer when you want advice on how to proceed with state medical boards - a lawyer with expertise in that state's medical practice act.

Arguing on a student-doctor-network about the exact definition of expungement will not get you anywhere (whether you win, lose, or draw). Arguing whether you should mention your history on a state medical board is moot since it will be at least 4+ years before you even apply for initial licensure. Who knows what your criminal history will be once you are applying (have it been expunged? did you have a DUI while in med school? did something happen?). There are too many variables.

Your original question is do they ask and are there any restrictions. My original answer stands - it depends on each individual states. That answer still stands, whether your records are expunged or not. Each state plays by its own rules.
 
pm law2doc. she's a former lawyer, now a med student. she'll give you actual advice that you can hang your hat on. if she doesn't know, then she'll tell you and you should contact a lawyer.

law2doc is a girl???? I had no idea. Also, as a JD SHE will probably just tell you that she can't/won't give out advice over the internet, she doesn't practice in your home state, and any 'advice' would be just that ... nothing legal, and nothing that you could go quoting to anybody else.
 
This isn't a legal forum and no one is pretending it is, and I don't have my JD, so I humbly offer my understanding of law. I encourage anyone with a JD to review what I've written here and contest it line by line if I've mispoken in any way, shape or form, too. Knowing the law is part of what being a citizen is all about, and if we all were to keep silent because we're not lawyers, that'd be shameful.

Krazykritter, the bottom line is this as I see it regarding this thread;
there are different layers of law. An expungement process is different in different states, and this might be a moot point because he may not even be eligible for expungement in his respective state - in the states I'm familiar with, a felony charge can't ever be expunged, but the bottom line is this: if the Judge that sentanced him awards him an expungement, that's an order to the state and federal agencies that the arrest and judgement never occured, and whether it was adjudicated or not, it's law. In the states I'm a little familiar with, the original offense would have had to have been adjudicated in the first place to be considered for expungement, but I'm sure this varies. States and federal agencies work in concert with one another in these matters.

If a state licensing board ended up using information they obtained to deny an application for licensure, it would be illegally received information (even if by mistake), and the student, whomever it would be, would be in an excellent position to appeal the decision. And besides, once it came out it was expunged, the OP could make up any old reason why it had been, and there's no way it could be contested; he could claim he was framed, someone had stolen his identity, I mean you name it. Who from the court is going to refute it? All the files have been destroyed. Any lawyer in the land would love to represent this case, and they may make some money from a civil suit.

A sealed/deferred, aka adjudicated sentance, isn't even close to the same thing as an expungement. In fact, even though an adjudicated judgement means that whatever plea was offered wasn't accepted by the court and, under conditions defined by the court, dismissed after conditions were successfully met, the arrest or case file is not private information, and can be obtained by any freedom of information request by any public citizen, licensing board, etc., and will show up on any ol' $15 background check. I hope this clarify's my understanding of what the general principle of expungement represents, regardless of which state. If the order or expungement varied considerably from state to state, they'd call it something else to avoid confusion on the federal or inter-state level. Like in Texas, for example, they have an award of non-disclosure as well, which isn't an expungement, and has different, though similar, implications.

The OP, in the interest of full disclosure, wants to state it on the application, then by all means he should. But if he's prepared to do so, the expungement is probably really just a hoop he doesn't need to concern himself with; it would be more prudent to focus his energy in demonstrating a civic rehabilitation, which it sounds like he's been doing, and then preparing himself for the explanation, and the explanation of the explanation, etc., until the process is fulfilled.



I am not a judge or lawyer...I was telling you what is on my application for state licensure. Now, for the sake of ending this stupid freaking argument I will quote word for word the application question.

"6. Have you ever been convicted of, or entered a plea of guilty, nolo contendere, or no contest to a crime other than a minor traffic offense, in any jurisdiction? You must include all misdeameanors and felonies, even if adjudication was withheld by the court so that you would not have a record of conviction. (For example, you must report if your conviction was expunged, you received a deferred judgment, or you received an executive pardon.) Driving under the influence or driving while impaired is not a minor traffic offense.
If yes, provide details of the charge and the final outcome. Provide copies of any court/legal documents related to each incident."

That is only one of the questions relating to previous trouble with the law. At the beginning of this section of the application is instructs that FULL DISCLOSURE is expected & sanctions can be imposed by the board if incidents are discovered that are not disclosed by the applicant.

Having sanctions against you before you even begin practice as a resident isn't exactly the best start to a medical career. You want to enter a profession where integrity is of utmost importance b/c of the type of information & responsibility that comes with our job.
 
I understand the point of this thread clearly. A person should, however, understand that just because their state's medical board does not state the even expunged sentences/pleas must be disclosed doesn't mean that another state's will be the same.

Why is this important??? Because you have no idea what state you end up in for a residency program. With the competitive nature of many state programs & the paucity of specialty residencies within the DO world, you have to have the ability to be licensed in any number of states.
 
My point is, in brief, if a licensing board required that you state an expunged record, the board would be sued by the state itself, or civilly on a case by case basis, it would be a logistical nightmare, and it's non-sensical and would never happen. According to your hypothetical, they would basically be asking you to break the law and defy a court order.

Not necessarily. States don't go around suing other states because their laws weren't followed in ANOTHER state. And state judges don't have authority over federal agencies.

If State A's (where the crime occur) judge order the records expunged, his jurisdiction is limited to his state (and more narrowly, his district). If State B finds out about someone's criminal history (even if it was expunged from State A), whether State B can use it or not is up to the laws of State B, not what State A has said. State A will not be suing State B in federal court for not following State A's laws.

If State B's medical licensing board does ask about expungement and the OP doesn't mention it, the reason for denial/revocation is for lying on the initial application/purposely withholding information pertinent to the application - and NOT the expungement itself. The appeals process (that you are so sure is a slam dunk) will center around the applicant lying on his application, and not his expungement. It may be a technicality, but the law thrives on minor technicality.
 
Not necessarily. States don't go around suing other states because their laws weren't followed in ANOTHER state. And state judges don't have authority over federal agencies.

If State A's (where the crime occur) judge order the records expunged, his jurisdiction is limited to his state (and more narrowly, his district). If State B finds out about someone's criminal history (even if it was expunged from State A), whether State B can use it or not is up to the laws of State B, not what State A has said. State A will not be suing State B in federal court for not following State A's laws.

If State B's medical licensing board does ask about expungement and the OP doesn't mention it, the reason for denial/revocation is for lying on the initial application/purposely withholding information pertinent to the application - and NOT the expungement itself. The appeals process (that you are so sure is a slam dunk) will center around the applicant lying on his application, and not his expungement. It may be a technicality, but the law thrives on minor technicality.

I've gone back and forth in my reply to this cause I don't have the time to look up multiple state statutes.
I'll totally say it's prudent to divulge to the licensing board. I'll say also that if push came to shove, chances are they aren't going to risk litigation in denying someone licensure because they didn't mention an expungement. The statutes I've looked at in a couple states obliterate their files, and I know it's state to state and some just seal, but my original point was if push came to shove, and the licensing board is faced with defending their decision in denying an applicant because they didnt divulge an expunged record, how are they going to respond? "We have our sources?"
The state in which the records were held will deny their existance, unless specifically stated that they will release the information to the Medical Board in the statues of the respective state.
 
Question for Krazykritter... Why do you say the whole expungement is just smoke and mirrors?

It is true that different states ask different things, if they ask specifically about expungement I would answer truthfully.. Which state is it that you are applying to??

But for the other states that only ask something along the lines of "have you ever been arrested" I guess that according to my home state I can say "no". It just seems I would be justified in that answer according to the state itself. Plus, if things really happen the way the state says, nobody should ever find it.
 
The reason I say expungement is just smoke & mirrors for the exactly the reason that group_theory outlined in his/her post above with the examples of State A & B. Thanks to our federalist goverment, each state has its own laws & technicalities & that allows each state to be as strict as they would like to be in deciding who receives an unrestricted license to practice medicine.
 
Directly from the state web site it says that when something is expunged the records are destroyed and your name is removed from the public record. After that, the state police remove your name from their record. The jurisdiction in which you were prosecuted will then contact the FBI and have it removed.

I believe you have expungement and sealed confused. If a record is sealed then private agencies cannot access it but law enforcement can.

After this is all done, you request a FBI records background check to make sure everything is gone.

If that comes back clean, then good to go. Can't tell me that if I have a clean FBI record check, which is what they will/might use that they will hire someone to cover every single private record in the world for every single license.

Actually if you read closer one of them is when I was 17 and technically NOT an adult, no conviction either, it was dismissed if I remember correctly.

P.S. are you a lawyer or a judge yourself, or just speaking from what you think?

As an individual with an expunged misdemeanor I can, again, state that kinda sorta, some records still exist from state to state. In fact, some states will not recognize expungment as readily as others. The law isn't as cut and dry as you would like to make it. The best you can do is contact your school and sit down with a lawyer. This is what I had to do. Don't get lost in the "I know the law," BS because you will end up burning yourself.

P.S. As an example: Iowa keeps fingerprints and arrest records from expunged trials that can be seen by the FBI on things such as a fingerprint FBI check. Yes, some places require these fingerprint checks.

Side note: my charge wasn't as hardcore as the OPs (I lit off some fireworks in a field...got caught and charged with "reckless use of firearms/explosives" which sounds way cooler than my charge). Again, I strongly urge you to talk to your school and a lawyer. My own personal experience with this was getting laughed at because of the stupidity of the crime but they also gave me some good advice. The first of this was "you don't know the law, contact someone who does." The next was it should in no way affect my future but that I have to be HONEST and tell about it; if they find out in the future, as Grouptheory stated, it could be some bad news for you. The final piece of advice was to keep everything I have pertaining to the incident.

Side side note: I divulge this only to help others in this situation. You can't go back and change the past; **** happens. However, I kinda feel like backhanding the OP since they asked for help and then have acted like a total douche. Things aren't always going to be the way you want them to be. Accept the truth dude.
 
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The reason I say expungement is just smoke & mirrors for the exactly the reason that group_theory outlined in his/her post above with the examples of State A & B. Thanks to our federalist goverment, each state has its own laws & technicalities & that allows each state to be as strict as they would like to be in deciding who receives an unrestricted license to practice medicine.

I have to disagree with you here about expungement being crap. It actually does help in certain situations. For example, it might be in your best interest to take a "differed judgment" and pay a higher fine (ultimately to arrive at an expungement) than to possibly take a greater charge only to pay less of a fine (with no hope at all that it could be removed from your record). Personally, my own expungement has kept the record off of all background checks I have received.
 
I have experience in applying for and receiving licensure with a misdemeanor history. As absurd as it may sound, both pursuing expungement and being potentially willing to fully disclose all details concerning the event is probably the best way to go. Expungement is in itself a demonstration of rehabilitation, because the court is unlikely to expunge the record of someone who appears to continue to violate the law. Disclosing an expunged record to the medical board demonstrates a measure of honesty and character as well. Disclosing your record is like shooting yourself in the leg with a BB gun. You know it will hurt, but you'll live. Not disclosing an expunged record is like playing Russian roulette. Then your record is on the table anyway, and you have lied to the board, which is something bad you did in the present to them, as opposed to something bad you did a long time ago to someone else.

When it does come time to fill out your licensure application, I would get an attorney on board who has extensive experience in working with the medical board, because they will be helpful in preparing your application and ultimately answering the disclose/do not disclose questions based on your exact record and the exact policies of that particular state medical board. An attorney is also very helpful in expediting the application and screening process. Because of the short interval between match time in February (AOA) or March (ACGME) and start of internship in July, you want to have your ducks in a row, which means having pursued expungement in advance of applying for licensure.
 
As an individual with an expunged misdemeanor I can, again, state that kinda sorta, some records still exist from state to state. In fact, some states will not recognize expungment as readily as others. The law isn't as cut and dry as you would like to make it. The best you can do is contact your school and sit down with a lawyer. This is what I had to do. Don't get lost in the "I know the law," BS because you will end up burning yourself.

P.S. As an example: Iowa keeps fingerprints and arrest records from expunged trials that can be seen by the FBI on things such as a fingerprint FBI check. Yes, some places require these fingerprint checks.

Side note: my charge wasn't as hardcore as the OPs (I lit off some fireworks in a field...got caught and charged with "reckless use of firearms/explosives" which sounds way cooler than my charge). Again, I strongly urge you to talk to your school and a lawyer. My own personal experience with this was getting laughed at because of the stupidity of the crime but they also gave me some good advice. The first of this was "you don't know the law, contact someone who does." The next was it should in no way affect my future but that I have to be HONEST and tell about it; if they find out in the future, as Grouptheory stated, it could be some bad news for you. The final piece of advice was to keep everything I have pertaining to the incident.

Side side note: I divulge this only to help others in this situation. You can't go back and change the past; **** happens. However, I kinda feel like backhanding the OP since they asked for help and then have acted like a total douche. Things aren't always going to be the way you want them to be. Accept the truth dude.

Wow, you're just a great person too. They had questions, not sure how they are a douche.
 
Wow, you're just a great person too. They had questions, not sure how they are a douche.

Did you even read the posts or are you just speaking from zero experience? They asked a question then argued with everyone that gave them advice that was different than what they wanted to hear.
 
As an individual with an expunged misdemeanor I can, again, state that kinda sorta, some records still exist from state to state. In fact, some states will not recognize expungment as readily as others. The law isn't as cut and dry as you would like to make it. The best you can do is contact your school and sit down with a lawyer. This is what I had to do. Don't get lost in the "I know the law," BS because you will end up burning yourself.

P.S. As an example: Iowa keeps fingerprints and arrest records from expunged trials that can be seen by the FBI on things such as a fingerprint FBI check. Yes, some places require these fingerprint checks.

Side note: my charge wasn't as hardcore as the OPs (I lit off some fireworks in a field...got caught and charged with "reckless use of firearms/explosives" which sounds way cooler than my charge). Again, I strongly urge you to talk to your school and a lawyer. My own personal experience with this was getting laughed at because of the stupidity of the crime but they also gave me some good advice. The first of this was "you don't know the law, contact someone who does." The next was it should in no way affect my future but that I have to be HONEST and tell about it; if they find out in the future, as Grouptheory stated, it could be some bad news for you. The final piece of advice was to keep everything I have pertaining to the incident.

Side side note: I divulge this only to help others in this situation. You can't go back and change the past; **** happens. However, I kinda feel like backhanding the OP since they asked for help and then have acted like a total douche. Things aren't always going to be the way you want them to be. Accept the truth dude.

Please point out where I argued with anyone? If you consider what happened here an argument, you're a very sensitive person. I did ask Krazy if they were a lawyer or speaking from personal belief, but pretty far from anything more than a discussion. I was asking them to point out specifically why the information given by the state would be incorrect.

hehe. I'm giggling at the thought of you backhanding me :meanie:
 
Please point out where I argued with anyone? If you consider what happened here an argument, you're a very sensitive person. I did ask Krazy if they were a lawyer or speaking from personal belief, but pretty far from anything more than a discussion. I was asking them to point out specifically why the information given by the state would be incorrect.

hehe. I'm giggling at the thought of you backhanding me :meanie:

Dude a moderator asked to keep the tone more civil in this room for a reason. Go back and read your posts. Pretty much everything that went against what you wanted to hear you disagreed with; total disrespect in my book. Honestly, who does that? If you came on here for an answer why argue with the people trying to help you? Or did you just want to hear that everything was going to be just fine and all those past transgressions were just going to be forgotten? To the bold statement above: as was said numerous times before, we are not lawyers. Maybe you should get one and argue with him or her about state laws and why they are wrong. Ahh, better yet, just apply to every residency and lie about your expungement, good luck in life, sure you will do swell!! Next time, don't ask for help if you don't want it.
 
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Dude a moderator asked to keep the tone more civil in this room for a reason. Go back and read your posts. Pretty much everything that went against what you wanted to hear you disagreed with; total disrespect in my book. Honestly, who does that? If you came on here for an answer why argue with the people trying to help you? Or did you just want to hear that everything was going to be just fine and all those past transgressions were just going to be forgotten? To the bold statement above: as was said numerous times before, we are not lawyers. Maybe you should get one and argue with him or her about state laws and why they are wrong. Ahh, better yet, just apply to every residency and lie about your expungement, good luck in life, sure you will do swell!! Next time, don't ask for help if you don't want it.

I was asking for specifics if they were going against what the info on the state web site said. Jeebus forbid that I actually want something to back up what anyone says.

If you look back, it wasn't really me being uncivil.. There was some discussion but I didn't say anything negative, did I? Thats right, it really wasn't me. So you're just sitting there calling me a douche for no reason.
 
I was asking for specifics if they were going against what the info on the state web site said. Jeebus forbid that I actually want something to back up what anyone says.

If you look back, it wasn't really me being uncivil.. There was some discussion but I didn't say anything negative, did I? Thats right, it really wasn't me. So you're just sitting there calling me a douche for no reason.

A) Notice I didn't say you were being negative but said you disagreed with everyone that said something you didn't like.

B) Notice most of your replies come to Krazy's statements.

C) Notice that Krazy was the one who said the expungement might not be everything you wanted it to be.

D) Notice in these replies you make statements such as:


But for the other states that only ask something along the lines of "have you ever been arrested" I guess that according to my home state I can say "no". It just seems I would be justified in that answer according to the state itself. Plus, if things really happen the way the state says, nobody should ever find it.
--> if you already know this or believe that this is true, why ask for help in the first place?

I have a copy of the state medical license application. It does ask if you have been arrested, convicted and whatever. Doesn't ask if anything has been expunged. According to the state in which this all happened, I get to say no. If there is a conflict i'm still justified to state "n"o according to the state where this all happened. ---> Awesome, you know it all, why ask?

Directly from the state web site it says that when something is expunged the records are destroyed and your name is removed from the public record. After that, the state police remove your name from their record. The jurisdiction in which you were prosecuted will then contact the FBI and have it removed.

I believe you have expungement and sealed confused. If a record is sealed then private agencies cannot access it but law enforcement can.

After this is all done, you request a FBI records background check to make sure everything is gone.

If that comes back clean, then good to go. Can't tell me that if I have a clean FBI record check, which is what they will/might use that they will hire someone to cover every single private record in the world for every single license.

Actually if you read closer one of them is when I was 17 and technically NOT an adult, no conviction either, it was dismissed if I remember correctly.

P.S. are you a lawyer or a judge yourself, or just speaking from what you think?
--> Again, you seem to know everything so why ask for help? Do you even get where this could come off as constantly disagreeing with someone that is trying to help you? Furthermore, you are doing this to someone who has been there and done this before you. Finally, you claim this isn't an argument and that I must be "sensitive" but if you read Krazy's post you annoyed them enough to write the entire statement from the application just to end the "argument." Also, the last statement of this segment appears kinda douchey to me so, you earned the name douche.

E) I find it odd that you first ask: I have a few questions about this. No felonies on my record but I did some stupid things when I was 18 and got arrested a few times. Are there any restrictions that would keep me from getting a medical license? What do they ask specifically when you apply for your license when you start residency? Only to turn around and constantly tell Krazy in your posts that you have such and such document or such and such website. If you know all the information already...why ask?

Its time for me to go to bed. I am done writing on this thread. I know I will never convince you since you already seem to know it all already. Have fun man. 👎
 
Cool thread, I gotta say (except for these last few posts). If the OP does decide to disclose everything, I think he will be fine, but yeah let us know what the lawyer says.
I'm wondering what the cheapest route is for you, I have no idea how to "cheaply" obtain a lawyer, sorry. Hah! But I'm sure there's a way. Does anyone else think it'd be interesting just to call up the respective State Medical Board itself and ask outright about the situation?? I'm sure they may be able to discuss what general policy they have about handling arrest records/convictions.
 
Did you even read the posts or are you just speaking from zero experience? They asked a question then argued with everyone that gave them advice that was different than what they wanted to hear.


Actually what the OP questioned was why an expungement was smoke and mirrors, not the rest of the advice.

So now i'm a person that doesn't read and speaks from zero experience. The OP is a tool too! I wish we were all as awesome as you are! Funny thing is, you come on here making comments about how someone is a douche, statements about backhanding the OP, saying stuff like this to me and yet the OP is the douche. You are just better than all of us for sure. :laugh:

You're the only one that came on here with nothing nice to say. So shouldn't you look in the mirror when it comes to being a douche?
 
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