Criterion A and trauma

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Thoughts on whether Criterion A for PTSD is a) adequate/good as a definition of traumatic events or b) overly narrow and restrictive in its definition? As a violence researcher, I have colleagues I respect on both sides of this, and I fall somewhat in the middle in that I think people *way* over-extend the definition of trauma to mean "any distressing experience" and that there are some experiences that are potentially traumatic but don't fall under Criterion A (emotional abuse, etc). Also, thoughts on if systemic oppression could be considered traumatic? (This post is brought to you by a conversation I was having with an intimate partner violence researcher colleague who said that she thought Criterion A basically didn't work for IPV because IPV is typically chronic and composed of many, many cumulative incidents as opposed to one big distinct experience, and that it also ignored racial trauma and other systematic oppression)

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This question has been around for a while, the old criterion creep discussion. If people are interested Rosen and McNally come to mind in some of the discussions when we were changing criteria from DSM 4 to 5.

Personally, I think it can be too narrow, and too broad. I'm not sure I buy that IPV doesn't necessarily work as there is chronic vs distinct experience. There is no real stipulation that chronic trauma precludes development of PTSD. I imagine some people can get thrown off by the "index event" term for treatment. But, one can do plenty of goof exposure treatment without a clearly defined index event. I used to do a lot of sexual assault work, including chronic childhood sexual assault. Very often there was no one index event that kept coming up in re-experiencing symptoms. But there are usually themes in re-experiencing and triggers that lead to fairly easy exposure targets.

The question of racial trauma and oppression is dicey, as there really isn't much quality data around it, for various reasons. Though I wonder if it should be conceptualized outside of the PTSD framework, at least for the moment considering the dearth of data
 
Thank you for posting this. I'm curious as to what others' thoughts are as well. I've also been of the mindset that it seems some clinicians have viewed almost anything mildly distressing as being trauma, almost in a buzzwordy like way. Anecdotally, I was in a horrible car crash 12 years ago when I was making a left hand turn. I couldn't turn left in a car without panic-related symptomatology kicking in. Eventually, as a young undergrad psych student, I just flooded myself with left turns until the affect diminished (Did some pseudo PE on myself). At the time though, and still to this day, I have gone back and forth on whether that itself was a form of trauma, but so many of my colleagues have straight up diagnosed me with PTSD.
 
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Thank you for posting this. I'm curious as to what others' thoughts are as well. I've also been of the mindset that it seems some clinicians have viewed almost anything mildly distressing as being trauma, almost in a buzzwordy like way. Anecdotally, I was in a horrible car crash 12 years ago when I was making a left hand turn. I couldn't turn left in a car without panic-related symptomatology kicking in. Eventually, as a young undergrad psych student, I just flooded myself with left turns until the affect diminished (Did some pseudo PE on myself). At the time though, and still to this day, I have gone back and forth on whether that itself was a form of trauma, but so many of my colleagues have straight up diagnosed me with PTSD.

The car accident woudl definitely qualify as a criterion A event, but, like most criterion A events, the severity of the events can differ quite a bit. E.g., the 5-10 mile bump from someone rear ending you, vs run off the road with driver's side door mangled. Someone claiming PTSD from the first would be suspect, the latter, very plausible. So yeah, it'd be a trauma. Kudos on treating thyself Dr! Though, it doesn't sound like it was full criteria in any way.
 
I am a staunch believer in trying to keep Criterion A as clean and narrow as possible. I am just afraid of what happens if we loosen or broaden it too much. In terms of IPV, although there is likely not one index event, there is still likely at least one event that meets Criterion A threshold. That doesn't mean that all symptoms have to be related to that specific event, and I would try to assess for symptoms related to all of the IPV if I were, say, giving a CAPS.

But I also work in the VA, where everyone seems to think all veterans have PTSD, so the consequences of loosening it seem more salient to me.
 
Interesting question. I'm outside my area of expertise here, but I actually agree it is both over and under-extended in varying ways. Certainly we see a lot of ridiculous things proposed as trauma, including by practitioners (e.g. getting a bad grade was "traumatic"). Some of this is people just using trauma as shorthand for "severely negative affect inducing" which is sloppier terminology than we should have as professionals, but I can get people using it just because that is what it means to the general population. However, we do have practitioners who seem to genuinely believe an A student getting a B- is "trauma" and should be treated as such. Ironically, the same folks also usually believe that treatment should heavily promote avoidance and not use any of the techniques we know are actually effective for trauma but I digress...

I know folks here have mixed feelings about RDoC/HiTOP and the various other models being put forth, but I actually think things like this are where its utility could come to light. Where is the boundary around trauma definitions and is there a true inflection point in terms of its effects or is it a continuum? What drives that? Do non-traumatic events induce PTSD-like behavior? I've certainly borrowed techniques from CPT with great success for patients who definitely had not experienced criterion A events. Does that mean whatever they had should qualify as a trauma? Not necessarily. But maybe at some level of analysis there is a common thread we just aren't seeing? There is just a lot we don't know.

For what its worth, I don't know that I would buy systematic oppression is inherently traumatic, in part because I'm not sure I have ever seen a PTSD-like response to that on its own. Really we are talking about different levels of analysis though so it is tough to compare. That said individuals from groups that are systematically oppressed certainly have a greater potential to experience trauma so these are likely to be correlated. I think it depends what your colleague means and it is important to be clear what is meant. "I am cognitively aware I am disadvantaged because I belong to X group" I just can't see as a trauma. However, the black man being held at gunpoint by police for a routine traffic stop certainly experienced a traumatic event, was more likely to experience it and their response to it is likely to be (understandably) different than my own. Even if a police offer approaches me with gun drawn I am certainly more confident I am going to walk away unharmed than a black man in my place might be, for very valid reasons. Unpacking these nuances and disentangling these issues is where it gets interesting (from a psychologist/scientist perspective) but also extremely sad/unfortunate (from a humanitarian/societal perspective).
 
I don't do a ton of trauma work, but, when I do, I often approach cases in which patients have sustained a series of criterion A traumas (e.g., IPV) from a complex PTSD framework (I like this article a lot). I think there is some pushback with the "complex PTSD" label, and I've seen discussion about overlap between complex PTSD and BPD, but I'm not read up enough on the subject to have too strong of an opinion.

Treatment will incorporate principles of exposure either way (i.e., complex vs. non-complex PTSD), but I find this label helpful for case conceptualization. I also find it helpful when explaining a treatment rationale to patients or contextualizing/validating patient distress.
 
I think people *way* over-extend the definition of trauma to mean "any distressing experience"

I tend to think Criterion A is a bit restrictive, but at the end of the day, if the symptoms are present, I can still do good work with some of the symptoms, regardless of Crit. A.

However, I do worry a lot about loosening the type of events that fall under Criterion A, without clean data to support doing so. We get into really murky waters with people just experiencing really crappy things in life, but its clearly not PTSD. Clinicians and patient's claim this, its a self-fulfilling proficiency and all kind of other problems emerge.

I personally think more work can and should be done on the other non PTSD Trauma and Stressor Related Disorders. Assessment and treatment.
 
I don't do a ton of trauma work, but, when I do, I often approach cases in which patients have sustained a series of criterion A traumas (e.g., IPV) from a complex PTSD framework (I like this article a lot). I think there is some pushback with the "complex PTSD" label, and I've seen discussion about overlap between complex PTSD and BPD, but I'm not read up enough on the subject to have too strong of an opinion.

Treatment will incorporate principles of exposure either way (i.e., complex vs. non-complex PTSD), but I find this label helpful for case conceptualization. I also find it helpful when explaining a treatment rationale to patients or contextualizing/validating patient distress.
Tbh, "complex PTSD" really gets my goat, as it isn't a validated construct separate from PTSD, and research has shown that "complex" and "non-complex" trauma responds similarly to treatment (with the slight caveat that CPT appears to be more effective than PE for CSA-related PTSD).
 
Tbh, "complex PTSD" really gets my goat, as it isn't a validated construct separate from PTSD, and research has shown that "complex" and "non-complex" trauma responds similarly to treatment (with the slight caveat that CPT appears to be more effective than PE for CSA-related PTSD).

Yup, and trauma characteristics (e.g., number of trauma exposures) do not predict "complex" symptoms.
 
Tbh, "complex PTSD" really gets my goat, as it isn't a validated construct separate from PTSD, and research has shown that "complex" and "non-complex" trauma responds similarly to treatment (with the slight caveat that CPT appears to be more effective than PE for CSA-related PTSD).
Yup, and trauma characteristics (e.g., number of trauma exposures) do not predict "complex" symptoms.

Good to know -- I knew there was debate/critique surrounding the term, but it's not a literature I keep up with.
 
Tbh, "complex PTSD" really gets my goat, as it isn't a validated construct separate from PTSD, and research has shown that "complex" and "non-complex" trauma responds similarly to treatment (with the slight caveat that CPT appears to be more effective than PE for CSA-related PTSD).
I have always noted it as "complex trauma/PTSD," meaning the trauma may be multiple indices/events, long-standing and/or repeated trauma (for example, childhood abuse, community violence *serious injury or threatened,* and then, that individual goes to combat & experiences an IED blast), whereas PTSD is just stand alone. Meaning it's not the number of events an individual has suffered but the longer-term dynamics of the individual's coping style, effects on personality, symptom manifestations, etc. (here comes my psychodynamic background... 🤔 ).

Do folks say/write "complex PTSD" to mean the same?
 
I have always noted it as "complex trauma/PTSD," meaning the trauma may be multiple indices/events, long-standing and/or repeated trauma (for example, childhood abuse, community violence *serious injury or threatened,* and then, that individual goes to combat & experiences an IED blast), whereas PTSD is just stand alone. Meaning it's not the number of events an individual has suffered but the longer-term dynamics of the individual's coping style, effects on personality, symptom manifestations, etc. (here comes my psychodynamic background... 🤔 ).

Do folks say/write "complex PTSD" to mean the same?

Generally, people using "complex PTSD" are attempting to refer to what they believe is a somewhat separate diagnostic category.
 
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The evidence base is predicated upon the existence of a solid criterion A event. If you start saying there are 487 different ill defined events that are amorphous in character, then the evidence base completely disappears.

Of course, this would allow people to claim that PTSD is untreatable. Which would lead to actual cases of PTSD avoiding treatment.
 
Thoughts on whether Criterion A for PTSD is a) adequate/good as a definition of traumatic events or b) overly narrow and restrictive in its definition? As a violence researcher, I have colleagues I respect on both sides of this, and I fall somewhat in the middle in that I think people *way* over-extend the definition of trauma to mean "any distressing experience" and that there are some experiences that are potentially traumatic but don't fall under Criterion A (emotional abuse, etc). Also, thoughts on if systemic oppression could be considered traumatic? (This post is brought to you by a conversation I was having with an intimate partner violence researcher colleague who said that she thought Criterion A basically didn't work for IPV because IPV is typically chronic and composed of many, many cumulative incidents as opposed to one big distinct experience, and that it also ignored racial trauma and other systematic oppression)
Why wouldn't Criterion A work for IPV? It says "Exposure to actual or threatened death, serious injury, or sexual violence". I think most serious cases of IPV would fit one or more of those, and I'm struggling to think of what a case of IPV would look like that wouldn't fit those criteria and that would also be frightening enough to cause symptoms of PTSD. If we're just talking about verbal altercations and emotional manipulation without any threat of physical harm, yes those are upsetting and scary but I'm not sure they hit PTSD territory.

Tbh, "complex PTSD" really gets my goat, as it isn't a validated construct separate from PTSD, and research has shown that "complex" and "non-complex" trauma responds similarly to treatment (with the slight caveat that CPT appears to be more effective than PE for CSA-related PTSD).
Regarding point 1, this seems to be a genuine point of debate, not something that is settled by any means. New findings questioning the construct validity of complex posttraumatic stress disorder (cPTSD): let’s take a closer look

Regarding point 2, depression and OCD both respond to SSRIs, does that mean they're the same thing? This seems an odd approach to diagnostic categorization. Exposure in general is helpful transdiagnostically (PTSD, generalized anxiety, panic).

I'm still sort of stymied by this. To me, 'violent/chaotic childhood --> dysfunctional adult interpersonal relationships' seems like such a globally distinct syndrome that it's hard for me to understand the argument for declining to differentiate it in any way from 'combat/sexual trauma --> avoidance/hypervigilance/re-experiencing'. It seems to come down to the fact that these blend into each other at the edges... but so do most of the DSM categories then, don't they? Depression also seems to exist on a spectrum of comorbidity with anxiety, but we don't get upset about having two terms for the distinct ends of the spectrum.
 
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My research focuses on interpersonal violence exposure (e.g. witnessing domestic violence, child sexual abuse, dating violence, child maltreatment, emotional/psychological abuse) and psychosocial outcomes in youth. I think this conversation is interesting because it highlights the care we take in my lab when using the terms violence exposure, trauma, family chaos/conflict, adverse childhood events (ACEs), and so on. Compared to the term “violence exposure,” I use the term, "trauma” very rarely and only do so when referring to an event(s) in the context of PTSD symptomology, including trauma as defined by criterion A, and a possible or actual PTSD diagnosis.

As it relates to defining "trauma," I think an important point to remember is that exposure to events, including ones articulated in criterion A, do not inherently lead to a PTSD diagnosis. If no diagnosis, was the event still traumatic in that case? Alternately, exposure to other events not explicitly defined by criterion A including emotional abuse, racial violence, or even peer victimization may precede and be related to any number of post-traumatic stress symptoms, and even meet criteria for a diagnosis if the event met criterion A on its face. If yes to symptoms and functional impairment and no to criterion A, was the event traumatic?

And perhaps this is exclusively semantic where particular events (in the context of the diagnosis) are defined as trauma and as the suffix indicates, we mean of or related to trauma (all criteria) when using the word “traumatic” to describe events.

Ultimately, I think the widespread use of the word trauma/traumatic is a reflection of our (general public and professionals) desire to truly capture and convey the unique seriousness and harm of violence exposure, including the violence of systematic marginalization, for example. And of course there’s still the question of ongoing exposure or exposure without an index event, or exposure to many discrete and/or ongoing events and the conceptual difficulty of abstracting only one. I know that no one is arguing this, but I can imagine that some might feel that the limitation of “trauma” implies that anything that falls outside of that is less serious, harmful, or concerning. We know this is untrue given the abundance of evidence that indicates that an accumulation of ACEs and cumulative (and single event) violence exposure are associated with subsequently negative outcomes on many indices of physical and psychological health across the lifespan.

That said, if we're limiting use of the term trauma to only those events that exist within the context of a PTSD diagnosis, and criterion A as currently defined, fine I guess. Although I don’t see the harm in thinking more critically about actual or threatened death, for direct exposure, and potentially broadening our scope based on that. For example, in thinking about broader systems of power, I find that actual or threatened death is the logical end of emotional or psychological abuse, oppression, neglect, bullying, and so on.

All of which is to say, yes, I think systemic racial oppression can be considered traumatic and no, getting a poor grade when used to better cannot be.
 
Why wouldn't Criterion A work for IPV? It says "Exposure to actual or threatened death, serious injury, or sexual violence". I think most serious cases of IPV would fit one or more of those, and I'm struggling to think of what a case of IPV would look like that wouldn't fit those criteria and that would also be frightening enough to cause symptoms of PTSD. If we're just talking about verbal altercations and emotional manipulation without any threat of physical harm, yes those are upsetting and scary but I'm not sure they hit PTSD territory.


Regarding point 1, this seems to be a genuine point of debate, not something that is settled by any means. New findings questioning the construct validity of complex posttraumatic stress disorder (cPTSD): let’s take a closer look

Regarding point 2, depression and OCD both respond to SSRIs, does that mean they're the same thing? This seems an odd approach to diagnostic categorization. Exposure in general is helpful transdiagnostically (PTSD, generalized anxiety, panic).

I'm still sort of stymied by this. To me, 'violent/chaotic childhood --> dysfunctional adult interpersonal relationships' seems like such a globally distinct syndrome that it's hard for me to understand the argument for declining to differentiate it in any way from 'combat/sexual trauma --> avoidance/hypervigilance/re-experiencing'. It seems to come down to the fact that these blend into each other at the edges... but so do most of the DSM categories then, don't they? Depression also seems to exist on a spectrum of comorbidity with anxiety, but we don't get upset about having two terms for the distinct ends of the spectrum.

The thing is, research is suggesting that it's not globally distinct. PTSD caused by other types of trauma, including only one traumatic exposure, can also lead to interpersonal dysfunction and emotion dysregulation.
 
My research focuses on interpersonal violence exposure (e.g. witnessing domestic violence, child sexual abuse, dating violence, child maltreatment, emotional/psychological abuse) and psychosocial outcomes in youth. I think this conversation is interesting because it highlights the care we take in my lab when using the terms violence exposure, trauma, family chaos/conflict, adverse childhood events (ACEs), and so on. Compared to the term “violence exposure,” I use the term, "trauma” very rarely and only do so when referring to an event(s) in the context of PTSD symptomology, including trauma as defined by criterion A, and a possible or actual PTSD diagnosis.

As it relates to defining "trauma," I think an important point to remember is that exposure to events, including ones articulated in criterion A, do not inherently lead to a PTSD diagnosis. If no diagnosis, was the event still traumatic in that case? Alternately, exposure to other events not explicitly defined by criterion A including emotional abuse, racial violence, or even peer victimization may precede and be related to any number of post-traumatic stress symptoms, and even meet criteria for a diagnosis if the event met criterion A on its face. If yes to symptoms and functional impairment and no to criterion A, was the event traumatic?

And perhaps this is exclusively semantic where particular events (in the context of the diagnosis) are defined as trauma and as the suffix indicates, we mean of or related to trauma (all criteria) when using the word “traumatic” to describe events.

Ultimately, I think the widespread use of the word trauma/traumatic is a reflection of our (general public and professionals) desire to truly capture and convey the unique seriousness and harm of violence exposure, including the violence of systematic marginalization, for example. And of course there’s still the question of ongoing exposure or exposure without an index event, or exposure to many discrete and/or ongoing events and the conceptual difficulty of abstracting only one. I know that no one is arguing this, but I can imagine that some might feel that the limitation of “trauma” implies that anything that falls outside of that is less serious, harmful, or concerning. We know this is untrue given the abundance of evidence that indicates that an accumulation of ACEs and cumulative (and single event) violence exposure are associated with subsequently negative outcomes on many indices of physical and psychological health across the lifespan.

That said, if we're limiting use of the term trauma to only those events that exist within the context of a PTSD diagnosis, and criterion A as currently defined, fine I guess. Although I don’t see the harm in thinking more critically about actual or threatened death, for direct exposure, and potentially broadening our scope based on that. For example, in thinking about broader systems of power, I find that actual or threatened death is the logical end of emotional or psychological abuse, oppression, neglect, bullying, and so on.

All of which is to say, yes, I think systemic racial oppression can be considered traumatic and no, getting a poor grade when used to better cannot be.

Very interesting take. Here is my question though. We have a lot of veterans who claim that they have PTSD just from serving in a war zone (never knowing if violence would break out) even if they ended up never actually seeing combat. Would they meet criteria?

I agree that there's no harm in thinking critically, but that's my concern about expanding Criterion A.
 
Very interesting take. Here is my question though. We have a lot of veterans who claim that they have PTSD just from serving in a war zone (never knowing if violence would break out) even if they ended up never actually seeing combat. Would they meet criteria?

This is a tough one regarding the VA. Do we see this in other countries' soldiers, where those countries do not have a similar VA disability system? I think SC would soak up a significant portion of this variance.
 
This is a tough one regarding the VA. Do we see this in other countries' soldiers, where those countries do not have a similar VA disability system? I think SC would soak up a significant portion of this variance.

As the UK has been involved in most of the same wars the US has in the past couple decades, is Anglophone, and has no connection between access to health care and service-related disability, you wouldn't even have to look far for a potential data set.
 
As the UK has been involved in most of the same wars the US has in the past couple decades, is Anglophone, and has no connection between access to health care and service-related disability, you wouldn't even have to look far for a potential data set.

They do have injury compensation for service related injury, but it differs from the US. While in the US, SC is given in perpetuity, last I checked the UK decides on a set amount depending on severity, and that is paid out in a lump sum or regular payments up to the amount of that sum. so it'd be like a step down comparison.
 
They do have injury compensation for service related injury, but it differs from the US. While in the US, SC is given in perpetuity, last I checked the UK decides on a set amount depending on severity, and that is paid out in a lump sum or regular payments up to the amount of that sum. so it'd be like a step down comparison.
I've always been curious...what type of monthly compensation are we talking about in the US if they are opined to have PTSD resultant of service? I saw a figure once on someone that I was evaluating on fellowship and was shocked, but didn't know if it was normative. From what I've heard from you all on here, I would imagine though that we're talking something substantial.
 
I've always been curious...what type of monthly compensation are we talking about in the US if they are opined to have PTSD resultant of service? I saw a figure once on someone that I was evaluating on fellowship and was shocked, but didn't know if it was normative. From what I've heard from you all on here, I would imagine though that we're talking something substantial.


 
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