Just had a quick question.
I was covering at a rural ED and had a patient with suspected blunt abd trauma (tractor backed up into his chest and he was knocked to the ground).
First....some background about this ED, it's about 85 miles from a community hospital that would take about 60 mins by ground EMS for a transfer, and they don't take multi-system trauma or traumatic aortic ruptures.
The ED is also 110 miles away from a regional referral center than can take most traumas but has vascular surgery coverage about 70% of the time....90 mins by ground EMS 35 by helicopter.
Finally the ED is about 180 miles away from a major city that has 4 Level 1 EDs and can handle everything (not sure helicopter time) but EMS time about 140 mins.
So this patient had mild abd pain, didn't even want pain meds. Neg rectal exam x 2, no gross or microscopic blood (hemoccult neg). Took his metoprolol couple hours earlier and had poor PO intake for a couple days prior.
BP was 90s systolic, HR 70s (don't know if tachycardia blunted due to metoprolol/b-blocker)..
Did an acute abd series, read as neg.
Facility doesnt have ultrasound, so no FAST exam.
I have suspicion about intra-abdominal injury (blunt trauma) but come to find out by his brother that he has an aortic aneurysm that he's been watching...
Here's my dilemma....
-Should I transfer out to the community hospital by ground EMS that can take some trauma? However if vascular (aortic trauma) they'd have to transfer him out?
-Should I transfer out to the Regional Referral Hospital by ground EMS?
-Should I get a CT abd/pelvis to help determine extent of intra-abdominal injuries, if any..and possibly aortic injury? If aortic involvement I'd fly him out to the Regional Referral Hospital rather than EMS (assuming it was a day they had vascular surgery coverage)...
I know they say not to delay transfer for ancillary testing, but the given the limited resources this ED had (no ultrasound, no surgeon) and neg acute abd series in a patient feeling ok (but slightly hypotensive and low-normal HR)... would getting the CT be appropriate, as the result of the scan would help determine injury severity and destination and method of transport?
Any literature on this??
Thanks in advance.
I was covering at a rural ED and had a patient with suspected blunt abd trauma (tractor backed up into his chest and he was knocked to the ground).
First....some background about this ED, it's about 85 miles from a community hospital that would take about 60 mins by ground EMS for a transfer, and they don't take multi-system trauma or traumatic aortic ruptures.
The ED is also 110 miles away from a regional referral center than can take most traumas but has vascular surgery coverage about 70% of the time....90 mins by ground EMS 35 by helicopter.
Finally the ED is about 180 miles away from a major city that has 4 Level 1 EDs and can handle everything (not sure helicopter time) but EMS time about 140 mins.
So this patient had mild abd pain, didn't even want pain meds. Neg rectal exam x 2, no gross or microscopic blood (hemoccult neg). Took his metoprolol couple hours earlier and had poor PO intake for a couple days prior.
BP was 90s systolic, HR 70s (don't know if tachycardia blunted due to metoprolol/b-blocker)..
Did an acute abd series, read as neg.
Facility doesnt have ultrasound, so no FAST exam.
I have suspicion about intra-abdominal injury (blunt trauma) but come to find out by his brother that he has an aortic aneurysm that he's been watching...
Here's my dilemma....
-Should I transfer out to the community hospital by ground EMS that can take some trauma? However if vascular (aortic trauma) they'd have to transfer him out?
-Should I transfer out to the Regional Referral Hospital by ground EMS?
-Should I get a CT abd/pelvis to help determine extent of intra-abdominal injuries, if any..and possibly aortic injury? If aortic involvement I'd fly him out to the Regional Referral Hospital rather than EMS (assuming it was a day they had vascular surgery coverage)...
I know they say not to delay transfer for ancillary testing, but the given the limited resources this ED had (no ultrasound, no surgeon) and neg acute abd series in a patient feeling ok (but slightly hypotensive and low-normal HR)... would getting the CT be appropriate, as the result of the scan would help determine injury severity and destination and method of transport?
Any literature on this??
Thanks in advance.