Cultural, religious and philosophical sources of insanity

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Is it possible that religion is causing psychoses ? Is it possible that the same is doing philosophy ? Is it possible that religion is one big false and philosophy contains only nonsenses ?
lately appeared new theory which is connecting religion and philosophy with mental illness, it is describing in text "Religion and philosophy as illness":
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(the author of the text originates from outside of Anglosaxon lingual area)
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1. All domain of esoterism, of yoga, of meditation can be counted to area of primeval religion. It is the same what shamanistic beliefs and practices.

2. These practices consist in obtainment of state of trance, as same as meditation [frequency of brain waves attains level Theta/Delta 0,5-7 Hz, similarly as during a sleep].
Trance is state of waking dream, in the same way one defined schizophrenia and in the same way can be defined paranoid psychosis.

3. Thus this domain doesn't lead to enlightenment, only psychosis, that is to say illness.

4. The illness appeared at the rising of religion, before tens thousands of years, and the illness appeared on following stage of development of religion and at the rising and during the development of philosophy.

5. All field of religion, philosophy - which is in fact an only certain version of religion, and most of the humanities, are self possessed by morbid condition.

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about psychosis:
"The british neurologist Hughlings Jackson (1835-1911) had remarked: 'find out all about dreams, and you will find out all about insenity'.
In the first years after discovery of REM (rapid eye movement) sleep, researchers belived they had acquired a tool for investigation of Haughlings Jackson's premise. They supposed that schizophrenia might represent the intrusion of the dream state into wakefulness, and, therefore, there was the prospect of being able to link dream cognition to psychosis through REM sleep."

about buddhism:
"Buddhism for example consists in obtainment of the state of waking dream, which wrongly, similarly how in old shamanism, is taking as enlightenment; further it has to mean going out and the break up of elements of the mental life - in this it is visible nihilism; in fact the losing of consciousness in the state of nirvana is the same what the losing of consciousness after fall into a sleep, and the only abiding effect is developing paranoid psychosis, the same refers to other forms of yoga (the enlightenment is a fiction)..."

about monotheism and absolutism:
"The rising of monotheism ties in with the person of Akhenaton (Amenhotep IV, pharaoh of Egypt 1353–36 BC), which suffered from Marfan's syndrome and because of disorders caused by this illness modified exaggeratedly and pathologically well-known more early monolatry. Akhenaten was a real founder of monotheism.
Middle East Aryans brought, during incursions, newly arisen monotheism to India. There came into being also the first philosophical version of this abnormal doctrine which we find in Upanishad, this is conception of absolute."

this remark from the article shows that criticism of religion isn't the same what leftist ideology:
"On the other hand, leftist ethics and politics leads also to bad results similarly as described earlier sickness states. Examples can be problems of homosexualism, unborn childs or ′gift′ which made for USSR democratic President of the United States Truman in the form of Atomic weapon - what was a greatest political mistake in history (Truman procrastinated so long till the competitive power accessed to the new military technology). US Democrats had, have and will have unprobably stupid presidents."

the enlightement is a sick fiction, monotheism is a sick fiction, conception of absolute is a sick fiction etc., a scale of occurrence of psychoses on the religious and philosophical background is in today′s world huge, and the same was also formerly
 
Anything is possible.........
 
I disagree with a lot with the premises of this essay. For instance, since when was the atomic bombing of Japan the greatest political mistake in history?

And the idea of Buddhism is kind of countered by the fact that Buddhist monks are very psychologically healthy, plus the association of meditation (such as mindfulness) with improved mental well-being.
 
I find it difficult to compare the normative religious experience to psychosis. We can debate all we want about the validity of religious visions and revelations, but the comparison of any regular old Buddhist, Christian, or Jew to the severely mentally ill seems absurd. As is the idea that monotheism is a "sick fiction."

In an addendum to Cara's post, people with an active religious life have been found to be more resilient and have better mental health than the general population (This is coming from one of my developmental textbooks sitting in front of me. I could dig up the citations it references if needed). Although there are certainly crazy religious people, there are proportionately just as many crazy secularists.
 
1. All domain of esoterism, of yoga, of meditation can be counted to area of primeval religion. It is the same what shamanistic beliefs and practices.

Shamanism is pre-religion and is different from religions in many ways. Many shamans do go psychotic when you talk about Christians in front of them, however.:laugh:
 
This seems to have been posted across a number of different science related forums......

What is your purpose of posting this in this particular forum?

This is also the second time I've seen this exact same post on this forum. The first time was a few months ago (though my search turned up nothing).
 
1. All domain of esoterism, of yoga, of meditation can be counted to area of primeval religion. It is the same what shamanistic beliefs and practices.

2. These practices consist in obtainment of state of trance, as same as meditation [frequency of brain waves attains level Theta/Delta 0,5-7 Hz, similarly as during a sleep].
Trance is state of waking dream, in the same way one defined schizophrenia and in the same way can be defined paranoid psychosis.

3. Thus this domain doesn't lead to enlightenment, only psychosis, that is to say illness.

4. The illness appeared at the rising of religion, before tens thousands of years, and the illness appeared on following stage of development of religion and at the rising and during the development of philosophy.

5. All field of religion, philosophy - which is in fact an only certain version of religion, and most of the humanities, are self possessed by morbid condition.

Ommmmmmmm :boom:
 
Considering that mental illness is a social construct that, by definition, impacts functioning and excludes traits that are normative within a culture, no, religion is not a mental illness. As an atheist, I'm offended by such ideas. They give the public the impression that atheists are intolerant of religious people.

Are you also suggesting that leftist ideology is pathological because it condones homosexuality and abortion? Seriously? And as for electing "stupid" presidents, the Republican party has racked up quite a few of those as well. In fact, the public will often elect presidents who go out of their way to seem less intelligent. American culture is pretty anti-intellectual.
 
But intelligence doesn't necessarily make a good president. Some of our worst presidents have been intellectuals.

Of course, this is correlational, not causal. 😉
 
cara susanna said:
since when was the atomic bombing of Japan the greatest political mistake in history?
not atomic bombarding of Japan but "′gift′ which made for USSR democratic President of the United States Truman in the form of Atomic weapon - what was a greatest political mistake in history (Truman procrastinated so long till the competitive power accessed to the new military technology)."

Buddhist monks are very psychologically healthy
they are as same healthy as shamans (hearing voices)

Psycho528 said:
Who are you quoting?

under the text is signature:
"ECTMO 579877, Denmark (2008)"

Evidence Based said:
but the comparison of any regular old Buddhist, Christian, or Jew to the severely mentally ill seems
very accurate, let's take for example case of 'stoned' Mussulmans

people with an active religious life
are crazy

Therapist4Chnge said:
What is your purpose of posting this in this particular forum

because this forum is concerning Clinical Psychology

zenman said:
Shamanism is pre-religion and is different from religions in many ways.

from Britannica:
"Shamanism - a religious phenomenon centred on the shaman, an ecstatic figure believed to have power to heal the sick and to communicate with the world beyond. The term applies primarily to the religious systems and phenomena of the northern Asian, Ural-Altaic (e.g., Mansi, Khanty, Samoyed, Tungus), and Paleo-Asian (e.g., Yukaghir, Chukchi, Koryak) peoples..."

Many shamans do go psychotic when you talk about Christians in front of them, however.
it is good but to criticize only one from forms of theism isn't enough

KillerDiller said:
Considering that mental illness is a social construct
medical illness isn't any construct but empirical fact, and religion is mental illness

Are you also suggesting
not me but the author of cited in first post text

cara susanna said:
But intelligence doesn't necessarily make a good president. Some of our worst presidents have been intellectuals.

they were intellectuals but they weren't intelligent

more from cited text:
"6. Exist no supernatural beings, from field of religion stays only reincarnation, but understood unlike till now.

7. The law of karma is a fiction.

8. Posthumous state is the same what state of sleep - it is a state of unconsciousness, and is not a state of intelligent and goal directed activity - this is state of unactiveness."

the author rejects almost all religious conceptions but not all religious conceptions

you should also read this:
'Psychosis and religion' - http://www.healthboards.com/boards/showthread.php?t=430197&highlight=psychosis%2C+religion
 
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Seems safe to say, sdtv, you have all the answers locked up.

Can we please get this increasingly insulting thread locked up? I'm not even speaking as a religiously minded person. But when people start bandying the "c" word (crazy) around things get ugly.
 
But intelligence doesn't necessarily make a good president. Some of our worst presidents have been intellectuals.

Of course, this is correlational, not causal. 😉

Completely off topic really of this general thread, but more of a curiosity and sparked interest thing, which presidents are you speaking of? I mean, I guess I consider best and worst presidents to be usually pretty subjective(with the exception of say a Harding, who is unanimously terrible, but not an intellectual if I remember correctly).
 
Namely, Jimmy Carter. 😉

But yeah, it is very subjective. My own favorite for worst president wasn't an intellectual.
 
from Britannica:
"Shamanism - a religious phenomenon centred on the shaman, an ecstatic figure believed to have power to heal the sick and to communicate with the world beyond. The term applies primarily to the religious systems and phenomena of the northern Asian, Ural-Altaic (e.g., Mansi, Khanty, Samoyed, Tungus), and Paleo-Asian (e.g., Yukaghir, Chukchi, Koryak) peoples..."

Not a very good reference source, fellow. Religions have, among other things, an area of origin, a founder, and a book. Shamanism has none of these. BTW, I am a shaman of Q'eros lineage.
 
zenman said:
Not a very good reference source

?

Buzzwordsoldier said:
Can we please get this increasingly insulting thread locked up?
maybe we will do better if we will wait several weeks or months
 
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