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Greetings,
It is interesting that in this healthcare reform debate, and in the comparison between MD's and "alternate PCP's" (e.g. NP's, PA's), the number of training hours gets mused about a lot.
One of you (sorry, I forget who) has a tagline comparing the number of hours for a DNP ~ 700, PA ~ 2000, and MD (FP presumably?) ~ 17,000.
I did a bit of mental math, and realized that with my current residency program (which is non-malignant to the point of being ridiculous, hence "cupcape residency), I may be more like a mid-level than a "real" doctor in terms of my training hours and environment.
1. Family medicine residency in my country (Canada) is only TWO years. I haven't looked it up, but I'm told this is the "shortest family medicine residency in the WORLD." Which is a bit scary, I guess...
2. At my particular training site, we residents are "non-essential." It is a community-based hospital, and we are sort of "just there." True, the more gung-ho of us are running codes and stuff, but some of us just seem to be hanging out at times. Because we are non-essential, the call schedule is arbitrarily set at q4 (as opposed to q-Resident). There is never more than 1 (or 2 at most) residents rotating through a given service at any one point of time.
3. In second year, because of the way my program is structured (mostly electives in second year, mostly core rotations in first year), there basically is NO call. This excludes "voluntary call" for people taking acute care electives in ICU, etc.
4. Protectionistic environment. There are certain learning opportunities, like IV courses, offered through various nursing departments. What boggles my mind is that we have to JUSTIFY why we need to know certain of these skills (e.g. proof of intent to work in a rural area post-grad, etc.). In my (unfortunately, usual) abrasive way, I made a statement to the gatekeepers that "all doctors completing a residency here should be entitled to these training opportunities." I think that slammed the door shut in my face.
With nothing (much) else to lose, I'll admit that I took it to the next step with something like, "Whether you choose to 'teach' me about IV access or not is irrelevant. A nurse does not certify the competency of a doctor. I have sufficient experience from electives to do IV's, and if a patient under my care (e.g. in the ER) needs an IV, and nursing doesn't step forward in a timely manner, I'm going to throw one in whether you like it or not."
5. Total hours? Probably 60 - 80 per week in year 1 and 40 - 60 per week in year 2 ... giving 3000 - 4000 in first year + 2000 - 3000 in second year or 5000 - 7000 total. According to the "training hours" paradigm, I'll be 1/2 (or even just 1/3) of the doctor that most of you are (going to be). And I'll admit, from some of your posts, you guys DO seem like superheroes at times.
6. Relative comparison. All of my evaluations have been good (well my Obs/Gyn comments were sort of "damning with faint praise" but numerically still checked out). If I had to guess, I think the attendings would consider me in the 75th %ile of the residents that they routinely see. However, I have a sense that my training centre might not attract the most hard-core or ambitious residents. It could be that we are a select (? mediocre) group, and that it is easier to float to the top in such an environment.
Also, some of the attendings are less than stellar. Recently, I was working in a long-term care setting and I was mumbling to myself / half-asking the attending (who happened to be sitting nearby) about ? QT prolongation on an EKG I was reading. The automatically calculated interval was within limits, but it looked to me like the machine was being fooled by abnormal T-wave morphology. The attending was like "QT prolongation? I don't know much about that. I'd have to get out my old Dubin [basic EKG text used for EMTs, nurses, med students] and check it out."
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Any comments / advice? I'm not about to consider switching residencies as I have < 1 year remaining, I'm doing well here, and well, I'm lazy. The only thing I could think of to assuage my concerns is that I can't be the only person in this boat. Also, NP's and PA's don't seem to have infiltrated the Great White North to the same degree as in the US, so maybe I can use the first few years in practice to sharpen up before I'm "found out." Don't worry, I'm sure I'll (along with most recent grads) have a lower threshold for ordering tests and making referrals for the first year or two.
It is interesting that in this healthcare reform debate, and in the comparison between MD's and "alternate PCP's" (e.g. NP's, PA's), the number of training hours gets mused about a lot.
One of you (sorry, I forget who) has a tagline comparing the number of hours for a DNP ~ 700, PA ~ 2000, and MD (FP presumably?) ~ 17,000.
I did a bit of mental math, and realized that with my current residency program (which is non-malignant to the point of being ridiculous, hence "cupcape residency), I may be more like a mid-level than a "real" doctor in terms of my training hours and environment.
1. Family medicine residency in my country (Canada) is only TWO years. I haven't looked it up, but I'm told this is the "shortest family medicine residency in the WORLD." Which is a bit scary, I guess...
2. At my particular training site, we residents are "non-essential." It is a community-based hospital, and we are sort of "just there." True, the more gung-ho of us are running codes and stuff, but some of us just seem to be hanging out at times. Because we are non-essential, the call schedule is arbitrarily set at q4 (as opposed to q-Resident). There is never more than 1 (or 2 at most) residents rotating through a given service at any one point of time.
3. In second year, because of the way my program is structured (mostly electives in second year, mostly core rotations in first year), there basically is NO call. This excludes "voluntary call" for people taking acute care electives in ICU, etc.
4. Protectionistic environment. There are certain learning opportunities, like IV courses, offered through various nursing departments. What boggles my mind is that we have to JUSTIFY why we need to know certain of these skills (e.g. proof of intent to work in a rural area post-grad, etc.). In my (unfortunately, usual) abrasive way, I made a statement to the gatekeepers that "all doctors completing a residency here should be entitled to these training opportunities." I think that slammed the door shut in my face.
With nothing (much) else to lose, I'll admit that I took it to the next step with something like, "Whether you choose to 'teach' me about IV access or not is irrelevant. A nurse does not certify the competency of a doctor. I have sufficient experience from electives to do IV's, and if a patient under my care (e.g. in the ER) needs an IV, and nursing doesn't step forward in a timely manner, I'm going to throw one in whether you like it or not."
5. Total hours? Probably 60 - 80 per week in year 1 and 40 - 60 per week in year 2 ... giving 3000 - 4000 in first year + 2000 - 3000 in second year or 5000 - 7000 total. According to the "training hours" paradigm, I'll be 1/2 (or even just 1/3) of the doctor that most of you are (going to be). And I'll admit, from some of your posts, you guys DO seem like superheroes at times.
6. Relative comparison. All of my evaluations have been good (well my Obs/Gyn comments were sort of "damning with faint praise" but numerically still checked out). If I had to guess, I think the attendings would consider me in the 75th %ile of the residents that they routinely see. However, I have a sense that my training centre might not attract the most hard-core or ambitious residents. It could be that we are a select (? mediocre) group, and that it is easier to float to the top in such an environment.
Also, some of the attendings are less than stellar. Recently, I was working in a long-term care setting and I was mumbling to myself / half-asking the attending (who happened to be sitting nearby) about ? QT prolongation on an EKG I was reading. The automatically calculated interval was within limits, but it looked to me like the machine was being fooled by abnormal T-wave morphology. The attending was like "QT prolongation? I don't know much about that. I'd have to get out my old Dubin [basic EKG text used for EMTs, nurses, med students] and check it out."
***
Any comments / advice? I'm not about to consider switching residencies as I have < 1 year remaining, I'm doing well here, and well, I'm lazy. The only thing I could think of to assuage my concerns is that I can't be the only person in this boat. Also, NP's and PA's don't seem to have infiltrated the Great White North to the same degree as in the US, so maybe I can use the first few years in practice to sharpen up before I'm "found out." Don't worry, I'm sure I'll (along with most recent grads) have a lower threshold for ordering tests and making referrals for the first year or two.