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Okay, so I'm over halfway done with my intern year and getting ready to head to the east coast for residency. I've got this program director who told me this horror story today about a guy who did PM&R residency at a pretty good program then practiced for a little while somewhere, decided he didn't like the job and left. Now he's applying for FP 2nd year spots because he can't find a PM&R job anywhere in the U.S. (much less California). This PD is constantly telling me how I'll never get a job in Cali and I'll end up doing some menial worker's comp evals somewhere in Montana. I told him this guy sounds a little flaky or something, but I'd like to know what the current state of job availability is. I looked at the AAPM&R site and it looks like almost all of the listings are for pain people. A relatively small amount of PM&R people do pain/spine, so what gives? Where are the PM&R jobs? The PD is an FP and, granted, knows nothing about the state of PM&R employment. Could some of the moderators or experienced people comment? How hard would it be to "hang a slate" and just start up a practice?.....prolly impossible, right?
 
PM&R is a small field with a very large "informal job network." The vast majority of "the good jobs" are not advertised publicly. Usually, residency programs get requests from alumni, group practices, or recruiters looking to bring on new graduates. Another popular recruiting venue is at the AAPM&R's Annual Assembly.

The west coast is indeed relatively under-penetrated and under-represented in PM&R compared to the rest of the country. I looked at a couple general physiatry opportunities at a very large CA HMO and talked to recent graduates. The jobs are there, they're just not obvious. The field started in the midwest and northeast and those areas continue to be the most solid physiatry markets. The salarie that I've seen in the southeast are impressive if you're interested in that part of the country.

MSK/Pain/Spine continue to be highly lucrative practices, but increasingly the inpatient side is picking up. It's nearly impossible to find people wanting to do neuro-rehab despite the growing elderly population, increasing burden of disability, etc. Most people end up doing a mixture of both at least early in their careers. Inpatient rehab in the private practice setting looks much different than what most residents are exposed to at academic medical centers.

Call some residency programs and ask what kind of jobs and offers the residents are getting these days. Usually the chief residents have the most up-to-date information. Believe me, FP is definitely in a worse way than PM&R by any stretch of the imagination!
 
Thanks for the reply. That's definitely the "vibe" I'm getting. The jobs just aren't as visible as other specialties and the salaries are totally nebulous. I'm not at all disappointed with my choice of specialties, I just wish I had a retort to my PD's claim. Anyone else care to comment?
 
drusso....
you talked about how the west coast is underrepresented...how hard do you think it would be for someone who does a residency in NY to get a job in California??
 
As a person currently going through the job hunt season, I think have some experiences on how the job outlook is.

Overall, lets just say you have to be very flexible in where you want to practice. Popular MAJOR metropolitan cities(such as Boston, New York, Chicago, Seattle, and all of COASTAL CALIFORNIA) tend to be much more competitive in gaining a job. And because of the supply/demand philosophy, many don't pay well in relation to the cost of living. You will likely make a decent salary, but owning a nice house will be difficult. Think Condo living. Even then, it wont be water(or even near water). Having two incomes would definitely help in getting a house.

There is a rather well known HMO in California that hires PM&R every year. The job benefits are good, and the pay isn't too bad(when you count the benefits). The competition is fierce though. You are applying against many of the residents that did their residency in the California area, as well as all the newly graduating residents that want to a)come back home b)want to try out living in California.

Because our field overall is relatively new, many of our predecessors are not quite at that ready age for retirement. And because PM&R is not a stressful job environment, there is a low attrition rate. That makes for even greater competition in the work force. And it's definitely true that which city you do your residency, you will have a tendency to practice there. A quick look at area hospitals and physician web pages and you will see that many of them did their residencies in that area. This has been especially true in the NYC/NJ/PHILLY/SEATTLE areas. And this may largely be a consequence of programs in those cities historically having very large residency classes(6-12/yr).

The South and Midwest continue to be untapped resources for jobs. Many job recruiters will inundate you with job opportunities in these areas daily. Some in major cities, most in midsize cities. If this is your destination, you'll have no problems.

Pain has become a lucrative addition to many practices. Ortho/Neurosurg practices and hospital groups, are now starting to add up the numbers and realize how much money they lose on referring out for epidurals, and other interventional procedures. So, being a MSK/Pain physiatrist is becoming increasingly popular in these groups. One thing that allows people to stand out against many applicants(regardless of how much "experience" they received in residency) is fellowship training. One that is trying to recruit me stated that he received many responses to his job posting, but many did not complete a fellowship. It does make a difference. Another specifically asked me if I would be getting Board Certified in Pain Medicine. For many(including academic positions) it matters, for some...not so much.
 
drbon said:
drusso....
you talked about how the west coast is underrepresented...how hard do you think it would be for someone who does a residency in NY to get a job in California??

Do-able but difficult. It's better to be in the general geographic area that you're interested in. One good option I've seen for the chronically "transplanted" is to do a year of locems work to check out different opportunities while also interviewing for jobs.
 
listen-- the jobs are there, this pd is just trying to scare you.

inpt rehab in private practice is very lucrative-- trust me. I see PMR's making 250,000 doing general rehab...trust me---and compared to some other fields of med-- their lifestyle is good.

a lot of people won't tell you this but it is true. I am in the private sector and I know what people make including myself. there are many jobs out there for inpt rehab and gen rehab and at many places just the title of med director of a rehab unit-- the stipend itself is very very good
 
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