D.M.D or M.D?

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Ive posted a question similar to this before, but as my junior year is coming to an end, it is becoming increasingly important that I make up my mind. I want to get into facial reconstructions, craniofacial deformities, and eventually do overseas non-profit work for children (cleft palates, etc.)...Im not sure if I should apply to dental school and follow it up with OMFS or I should go to med school, do gen. surgery or e.n.t, and follow it up with a plastics fellowships. Im pretty sure facial stuff is what Im interested in, but dont know which route to go. People say dont apply to dental if your not interested in general dentisty at all and on the other hand, people say dont apply to med school if your not interested in genral medicine at all...so what should I do?...Im not trying to spark a med vs. dental school argument here either so please dont send nasty responses to me or each other. I just want some honest advice. Also, my gpa is 3.9, both science and overall. Im taking both the mcats and dats in april...most of my extracurricular experience has been with a plastic surgeon, but I havent done any dental research, only public health research. I plan on getting an internship with an oral surgeon this spring/summer, but will not having any dental research experience hurt my hcances of getting into a good dental school (penn, harvard, ucsf, etc.)?...thanks guys
 
No one can answer your question because this is a matter of how well you do in medical or dental school and we won't know that until you actually try for yourself.

If you go for med school, you must score a 230+ on the USMILE Step 1 exam after your MS2 year to be competitive for acceptance to a categorical ( not preliminary ) general surgery residency. After completing 5 yrs of residency, you must then apply for a plastics fellowship, which is notorious for judging applicants on where they did their residency ( and sometimes their medical schools ) but shouldn't be that hard to get in.

In med school, you can alway try doing a preliminary gen. surgery residency if you cannot get into the categorical one. After 1 - 2 yrs, you can then reapply for the categorical spots ( prelim will make you more competitive this time around ) and finish those categorical years and then apply for fellowships.

Regardless, in med school, you always can be a surgeon if you want to. It's just a matter of how easily you get into the categorical spots. I don't know how important this is to you but which type of surgeon is a different issue.

Dental school is a different ball game. Dental schools have the OMFS residencies ( and they even give out MDs ) that you're looking for but each of these programs accept 2 applicants per year. I don't think they have anything like preliminary residencies ( like for categorical surg. programs ) for people who are unable to get into OMFS.

If you want it the safe way out, go for medical schools and aim for plastics. In medical school, you can nearly be certain you will be at least some type of surgeon. And the public usually isn't that familiar with OMFS and this shrinks their potential patient pool for elective reconstructive surgeries, as people opt for plastic surgeons instead.
 
thanks for the reply...anyone have any feedback about the second portion of my question?...will I be excluded from top schools (harvard, upenn, ucsf, columbia) if I do not have dental research under my belt...I know medical schools are big on that sort of thing but Im not sure if it is likewise for dental schools...again my stats are real good, but i dont have dental experience yet or research...thanks guys for being so helpful
 
I would think only harvard.....just guessing though. Good luck!
 
I would think with stats like that and a DAT score to match (23+) you have a great shot at a free ride at the schools you mentioned (Penn, UCSF, Columbia and maybe Harvard). That might help your decision as to which one school to go to. Plus I would think that because you're not going to have any debt, it would be less stressful and you'll do better. If you think you can perform at the same level as you did in Undergrad, you should be able to match in a gread OMFS program.

Good Luck
 
You have a valid question. We are currently taking Oral Surgery as thirds year students. This semester we are focusing on the reconstruction aspect and there is a lot out there for oral surgeons to do. If putting faces back together is your thing, you can definitely make a career out of it doing trauma stuff at a hospital. Our oral surgery professors explained to us that often the oral surgeon is most qualified to do the facial reconstructions after a car accident, fight victim, gun shot wound, etc because they have a clear understanding of how the teeth relate to each other. Many times the plastic/ENT/Head&Neck can put the face back together but they don't know how the teeth come together so the patient doesn't have normal functioning when it comes to chewing and this really bothers the patient.

You are on the right track with shadowing an oral surgeon this spring. Try to talk to a few to get different opinions b/c office oral surgery (wisdom teeth, implants) is very different from hospital oral surgery (trauma, reconstruction, medically complex patients). Although they get training in both, surgeons might choose to focus on one aspect or another in practice.

There are 4-yr (non-MD) and 6-yr (MD included) OMS residency programs. The scope of practice as an oral surgeon is the same for both, the only difference is one give you an MD. So the training period to get to do facial reconstructions is less time involved than the plastic surgeon routes logistical99 described. Especially if you didn't get into a categorical surgical year after med school - you are looking at 10+ years before you can do any facial reconstruction!

Dental school does have something like the "preliminary residency" for OMS. If a student (in reasonably good standing) didn't get into OMS straight out of school but was determined to apply, they could do a few things. Do a general practice residency (GPR) at a hospital where the GPRs do a ton of oral surgery (this isn't hard to find, OMS is a HUGE component of many GPRs). Or there are some OMS programs that offer a one-year residency/fellowship geared specifically for the student who is interested in oral surgery to gain more experience prior to applying to OMS. Louisiana and Nebraska have these, I have seen letters to our OMS department hanging up at school asking if we have any students interested in these one-year things.

The great thing about dentistry is you can practice a little bit of all specialties (or even heavily focus on one) with the DDS. Worst case scenario if OMS doesn't work out immediately after the things I described above, you can do general part-time and work under an OMS willing to take you on and teach you while you build even more experience and credentials to try and apply again. I don't think you can do this in medicine - as in work under a surgeon although you only did a residency in family medicine. You would be remain pretty low on the medical totem pole if you follow what logistical99 said about those who don't get into plastics the traditional way. As a DDS, you'd be earning a very good living during that same time while gaining your OMS experience.

"Don't apply to dental if you're not interested in general dentistry" - that is a very true statement. As much as you want to be an oral surgeon, you are a dentist first. You have to like doing dentistry because you'll have to do a lot of it the pre-clinic courses and in the clinics for 4 years in dental school. It will be hard to do well if you aren't into dentistry and have your mind on something else all the time. Also, the qualifications to ensure acceptance to OMS are pretty tough - 90+ on the part I boards, a good class rank, experience & interest in OMS, school involvement, and even research. Dental school is not easy to coast through to attain these credentials. However, if you know what you want, work your hardest for it - just look at Yah-E and his experience at Nova!

Check out www.aaoms.org. This is a great website with info on the specialty, its residency programs, and summer externship programs (2 - 4 week summer programs where you get hands on experience as a second or third year dental student).

Not having dental shadowing experience will hurt your chance at ANY dental school, not just the "good" ones. Word of caution, I wouldn't rule out any dental school just because you haven't heard its "name" - dental school "reputations" work very differently than other professions (med, law, business). Qualified candidates get accepted to OMS every year regardless of the school they attended.

Ask, ask, ask! THis is a difficult decision for you to make, but try to talk several people in these fields, especially young graduates and young practitioners, about your situation. Good luck!
 
They give free rides to dental school? WOW! What do you have to do in dental school to keep the scholarship? GPA? I've seen many stellar students in undergrad fall to the bottom of the class in dental school.
 
logistical and griffin,
thanks so much for such in depth responses. I do plan on getting some dental experience this summer, probably with an oral surgeon. I guess Ill just have to keep getting more experience and feel it out...considering I get some clinical experience this summer, should I still seek out getting dental research experience before I apply?...thanks again guys
 
Originally posted by griffin04
They give free rides to dental school? WOW! What do you have to do in dental school to keep the scholarship? GPA? I've seen many stellar students in undergrad fall to the bottom of the class in dental school.

I might be wrong but I don't think any dental school give full ride scholarship. The most I heard of was a school paying half your tuition.
 
I'm sorry, I thought I read somewhere that there was such a scholarship. I remember something with NYU, UPenn and UCONN and the students didn't have a 3.9...maybe 3.7. But they applied early.
Once again sorry if I gave wrong information.
 
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