D.O. Opthamologist

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For those of you in practice/residency I have a question. If I go to D.O. school, which I am leaning towards, is there a disadvantage to being an Opthamologist D.O.? I was wondering about residency(Allo or Osteo) - is one better than the other as far as future emplotment is concerened? What about earning potential or joining a multispecialty - would I be equal to an MD opth in competing for a job? It is good to know this now because if there are any issues to know about then I should go to MD instead.

The main reason I ask is that I have never seen a DO opth in a medical clinic setting. Is this a case of there just not being many or being mistaken for MD on the physician list. I have found the website aocoohns.org (or something like that) and I do not see any real difference between the two.

Any thoughts or experiences?
 
If you are set on a career in Ophthalmology, I would pick MD route if I were you. I am doing a IM prelim year now, and I have to tell you that some of the brightest IM docs I am working with are DOs; however, in terms of getting an Ophtho residency you are much better off being an MD. There are just a few DO Ophtho residencies, but my understanding is that they are super competative. I can not advise you on the job market at this point, but I live in an area supersaturated with Ophthalmologists, and I have yet to meet even one DO. Having said that, I think a DO would probably make just as good Ophtho as an MD.
 
I agree. For whatever reason, it is more difficult for a DO grad to land a spot in a competitive field than it is for an MD grad. If you are thinking about such a field, I would highly suggest that you consider going the MD route if you have that option. Someone may correct me, but I think DO's getting into ophtho residencies in particular are few and far between. There are DO residencies, but from what I've heard they are extremely competitive.
 
DO ophtho residencies do exist, but there are only a few positions in the country. If you know you want to be an ophthalmologist, go the MD route and study like hell. That being said, there is no disadvantage that I'm aware of to practicing as a DO ophthalmologist.
 
So, how about going to an allo residency as a DO.

I am just trying to pick the best route. I do not want to go down one road (DO Opth and Resd) and find out my only chances for employment exist in opening my own practice. I cannot do that. I want to go to a multispec group or I suppose single would be good too. If being a DO (I know MD/DO not a big deal anymore) is going to make me SEEM less competitive than I need to know now before I invest my life here and end up with a bite in the ass. I do prefer the DO route b/c I really like the philosophy and think it is important to continue - even though I would not be in a position to really do a lot of OMM I would be very supportive of its growth.

Thank you so far for your input - I do appreciate it.
 
I know MD/DO not a big deal anymore

Whoa! Slow down big fella! MD/DO is not as big a deal as it used to be, but it certainly still is a big deal, especially in the very competitive residencies in the allo world (ENT, Ortho, Derm, Optho, Rads). There are very few DO optho spots as I am told. Numbers-wise you would have better luck as an MD. I think it is fair to say that as a DO MD optho spots would not be an option unless you were some sort of all-star.

Now how did I get in here again? I'll have to turn this into a Haiku.

C
 
Again, DO grads seem to be at a very significant disadvantage in applying for allopathic residency spots. I went to 13 interviews and I didn't see one DO grad. For whatever reason, they seem to just go for MD grads. Once out of residency, I don't know how much it matters whether you are MD or DO (ex: the residency director at Ohio State is a retina specialist and a DO) but getting INTO a residency in the first place appears to be extremely difficult. It's hard enough as an MD, I don't see why one would want to make it harder. Perhaps you should ask yourself whether you would rather be a non-ophthalmologist DO or and ophthalmologist MD. Which would be worse in your estimation? Perhaps that would help guide you.
 
Right on, Redhawk. I went to approximately the same number of interviews and have not met any DO applicants. And, btw, why are you so hung up on the DO programs anyway? If you are worried about getting in, just apply to a mix of DO and MD schools and see what happens.
 
Hmmm. Why would you want to make things harder on yourself or set yourself up for disappointment? While D.O.s do match into ACGME programs, that is the exception. It is the exception not because D.O.s are no good or would not make excellent residents but because of a few issues.

1) In a high demand field like ophtho there are plenty of M.D.s that go unmatched so if there is a "tie" in applicant qualifications between an M.D. and a D.O. it would only be fair to accept the M.D. who the ACGME is obligated to train over the D.O. who they are not obligated to in any way. Other fields like IM have a surplus of openings so there is no issue with an ACGME program accepting a well qualified D.O.

2) Research seems to be important for applicants to ACGME programs and most (not all) Osteopathic med schools don't make it easy to do research. Most schools do not have an ophthalmology department. This means you will have to look harder and work harder to find research to become involved in.

3) The Big Wigs of Ophtho are not generally found in the academic depts of Osteopathic med schools. Since LOR from Big Wigs tend to help an application, you would have to again work harder to become exposed to the Big Wigs and to obtain rotations through their depts.

4) USMLE ignorance. Unfortunately some folks think COMLEX will be enough for the application, but one must really take the USMLE because it is really all the allo programs understand. I found that the USMLE stressed some topics that COMLEX didn't even cover so you would have to be sure to study a little differently for each test. BTW, it sucks to take 2 tests, esp since COMLEX is still the 2 day, 8 hr per day, pencil and paper marathon. Just take one set of boards if you can, save time and money!

5) Lack of support from Osteopathic med schools. Want to apply for a subspecialty? In general one is hard pressed to find a suitable mentor to help with the application process. When I thought I wanted to be a pathologist I had plenty of help since my school had a good path dept. Once I decided to apply for ophtho I was on my own and had to figure things out by trial and error and many a phone call and email to folks in Michigan.

That is about it. I love my profession and really appreciate the approach to patient care that I developed in my training. Even now as a resident, I am always mindful of Osteopathic Principles when I care for patients (structure affects function, look at the patient as a whole, etc...) BUT, when I applied to school I thought I wanted to be an FP. Since I was able to get an AOA residency spot I was thankful that despite deciding on ophtho in my MS4 year I was able to pursue ophtho without losing any time. If I was in allopathic med school and decided on ophtho in my MS4 year, I would have been SOL! If I had known from the start that I wanted to be a pathologist or ophthalmologist, I would have gone the allopathic route because there is more opportunity. If you have strong family reasons for choosing D.O. or other very compelling reasons, go for it, just know that it will be more work and you may likely have to try for an AOA residency anyways and you may still not match. (One D.O. I know knew he wanted ophtho from the start so that is all he concentrated on to the neglect of other work and his boards and he ended up not matching despite impressive research and LOR from allopathic Big Wigs.)

As far as opportunity for fellowships and practice after residency, you can do whatever you want. You will be limited by your own ability not your degree. You aren't tripping over D.O. ophthalmologists because there aren't that many and those that there are seem to be concentrated in MI, PA, OH, FL, and CA.

HTH and good luck on your decision.
 
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