D.O. residency

[BMW19]

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Well I was not really concerned with trying to get the AOA to do something (as we have already discussed that is an uphill battle) I was responding to Pushepi's idea that we kind of make a resource for ourselves. Just maybe some info on each individual program from some people who have first hand info and maybe want to share it.

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The AOA is well-aware of the vacuum of osteo-online residency info. Believe it or not, they're already addressing this & implementing a system so that the info will be up to date & complete. This is almost a case of starting from scratch, but they intend to have more comprehensive & useful info online by 2007.

 

[corpsmanUP]

Well I was not really concerned with trying to get the AOA to do something (as we have already discussed that is an uphill battle) I was responding to Pushepi's idea that we kind of make a resource for ourselves. Just maybe some info on each individual program from some people who have first hand info and maybe want to share it.

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Rots-a-Ruck getting it done. I wish you the best, but as you can see from the meager response thus far, there are few DO EM residents from DO programs who even hang out on the board. A good approach would be to write the chief residents at all the programs, give them this website, and ask them to contribute.

 

[DrMom]

Well I was not really concerned with trying to get the AOA to do something (as we have already discussed that is an uphill battle) I was responding to Pushepi's idea that we kind of make a resource for ourselves. Just maybe some info on each individual program from some people who have first hand info and maybe want to share it.

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We're not going to be able to collect this info since the underlying complaint is that accurate/up-to-date info on DO residencies doesn't really exist at this point.

Heck, my program technically has a website, but the patient visit data is very old & there's no real info on what the program entails. This is the kind of problem we're facing at this point. If the AOA actually provides a decent resource & requires programs to keep their info up-to-date, then we'd be in luck.

Anyways, corpsman's right. About the only thing we could do is try to contact all of the chief residents & see if they'd help.

 

[swaamedic]

Seems to me that the chief residents should just contribute to the EMRA match guide at: http://www.emramatch.org/member_browse_prog_master.asp

I am not sure why there isn't a good representation from the DO EM residencies there (u can draw u'r own conclusions). Perhaps someone should send an email to all the DO PD's/ Chiefs/ etc and let them know this site exists. This is where I got most of my information from when looking at the EM programs.

 

[DeLaughterDO]

Seems to me that the chief residents should just contribute to the EMRA match guide at: http://www.emramatch.org/member_browse_prog_master.asp

I am not sure why there isn't a good representation from the DO EM residencies there (u can draw u'r own conclusions). Perhaps someone should send an email to all the DO PD's/ Chiefs/ etc and let them know this site exists. This is where I got most of my information from when looking at the EM programs.

We (EMRA and the EMRA medical student council) have sent several emails to the AOA EM programs this year trying to get the to update/add their information. There just doesn't seem to be a lot of interest, for whatever reason. I've personally emailed 8-10 programs at LEAST twice, some up to five times. No response, no information.

Whatever. In my opinion, if they don't care enough to even respond to an email request for information, they don't care enough to have a decent program that recruits good candidates. They've rested on their laurels too long EXPECTING students to apply because they are AOA accredited and we are supposed to just follow along and not look out for our own educational needs. I sure wouldn't apply to a program I couldn't find information on - and I would recommend others to do the same.

 

[DrMom]

For some reason it seems that the DO programs (in general) are content with the status quo.

 

[DeLaughterDO]

For some reason it seems that the DO programs (in general) are content with the status quo.

How sad is that?

 

[DrMom]

Well, I'm hoping that those of us going into said DO residencies can encourage some change. 🙂

 

[deejayshakur]

Seems to me that the chief residents should just contribute to the EMRA match guide at: http://www.emramatch.org/member_browse_prog_master.asp

unless i'm blind, i've always wondered why LAC/USC and highland have been missing from that page.

I sure wouldn't apply to a program I couldn't find information on - and I would recommend others to do the same.

i've heard this multiple times about DO EM programs and i couldn't agree more. for me, the same principle applies to just about everything from buying a car to moving to a new city to relationships--you just don't go into these things blindly. DrMom has the right attitude.

 

[BMW19]

Well its a shame because I really would consider a DO EM program if I could find any up to date info. I guess I will have to take the limited info that is out there and make some calls and shoot some emails. Thanks for making an attempt Pushepi. I guess I should be worrying more about getting thru first year rightnow anyway!

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unless i'm blind, i've always wondered why LAC/USC and highland have been missing from that page.



i've heard this multiple times about DO EM programs and i couldn't agree more. for me, the same principle applies to just about everything from buying a car to moving to a new city to relationships--you just don't go into these things blindly. DrMom has the right attitude.

 

[pushinepi2]

Its interesting; the sentiment on this page is wide ranging- from excitement to frustration! In any case, I agree with the previous poster who said that the DO programs should ABSOLUTELY contribute up to date information to the frequently-searched pages like EMRA match and SAEM. There's little question that its the responsibility of the individual programs to maintain an up-to-date page that both captures applicant interest and conveys the desired message.

Inevitably, the osteopathic programs will catch up with their DO counterparts. Osteopathic emergnecy medicine is increasingly more popular and represented. During my brief search for on-line info, I was quite surprised to see that a number of programs had put up their own informational web sites. The challenge, of course, is to channel that information into the frequently access conduits like SAEM and EMRA. In the meantime, I've compiled a short list of DO programs on the NSUCOM EMS website. In due time, (perhaps by 2007) the ACOEP, AOBEM, and the AOA will get their act together and centralize all of this information.

On a more positive note, we DOs aren't always happy with the status quo- just look at the message board on combined EM/FM programs! Though I thought the whole concept was sort of counter-intuitive and strange, it seems that our allopathic colleagues have finally caught on. I'm almost certain that the osteopathic profession was the first to concieve of and subsequently accredit these residencies.

 

[BMW19]

Thanks for all the info, the effort is greatly appreciated. Another problem that I think deters DO's doing an AOA program is the lack of combined match. I know this topic has been exhausted to the point of vomiting but I thought I would bring it up in this context (EM). If I want to chance it in the AOA match and I match to a say 3rd choice, then I can forget about even participating in the allo match. I would assume that this deters DO students from even entering the AOA match.


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QUOTE=pushinepi2]Its interesting; the sentiment on this page is wide ranging- from excitement to frustration! In any case, I agree with the previous poster who said that the DO programs should ABSOLUTELY contribute up to date information to the frequently-searched pages like EMRA match and SAEM. There's little question that its the responsibility of the individual programs to maintain an up-to-date page that both captures applicant interest and conveys the desired message.

Inevitably, the osteopathic programs will catch up with their DO counterparts. Osteopathic emergnecy medicine is increasingly more popular and represented. During my brief search for on-line info, I was quite surprised to see that a number of programs had put up their own informational web sites. The challenge, of course, is to channel that information into the frequently access conduits like SAEM and EMRA. In the meantime, I've compiled a short list of DO programs on the NSUCOM EMS website. In due time, (perhaps by 2007) the ACOEP, AOBEM, and the AOA will get their act together and centralize all of this information.

On a more positive note, we DOs aren't always happy with the status quo- just look at the message board on combined EM/FM programs! Though I thought the whole concept was sort of counter-intuitive and strange, it seems that our allopathic colleagues have finally caught on. I'm almost certain that the osteopathic profession was the first to concieve of and subsequently accredit these residencies.[/QUOTE]

 

[DrMom]

Thanks for all the info, the effort is greatly appreciated. Another problem that I think deters DO's doing an AOA program is the lack of combined match. I know this topic has been exhausted to the point of vomiting but I thought I would bring it up in this context (EM). If I want to chance it in the AOA match and I match to a say 3rd choice, then I can forget about even participating in the allo match. I would assume that this deters DO students from even entering the AOA match.


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Which is why I only ranked one Osteo program & was using the MD match as a backup. (Technically, I dropped out of the NRMP really early b/c I knew where I stood on the DO side of things, but I'd gotten the NRMP ball rolling had I needed it.)

I tried hard to explain to some of the AOA folks that separate matches deter some folks from participating in the DO match at all even though they'd be happy to rank Osteo programs in a combined match setting. They're so stuck on the data stating that on the DO side 95% match to their #1 or 2 and they try to apply the same data to the NRMP (which doesn't hold water). By doing this they convinced themselves that virtually nobody would benefit from the combined match. *sigh* It'll take some time before we're going to get anywhere significant on the combined match issue. But do know that there are AOA folks who are in favor of a combined match, so there is hope for this issue in the future.

Again, if more of us get involved in the AOA/committees/COSGP/SOMA/etc, these changes are more likely to occur sooner.

 

[texmex2]

Yeah, I played tennis with one last week, actually.

(I speak to another via email.)

ZING!