D.O. salaries as competitive as M.D.'s?

[BellyDancer08]

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Hey guys,
I'm applying to both D.O. schools and M.D. licensing schools in the US.
Someone asked me a question I had no answer to (the above one).
Do you guys know if the salaries are equal for both D.O. and M.D. doctors in the basic or higher specialties, in the US?

Also, I would like to spend the majority of my career as an international doctor--hence is it advisable to get an M.D. degree instead of a D.O.? I remember a representative telling me that the D.O. degree isn't as universally recognized.
Thanks.

 

[Sam212]

What kind of a bull**** question is this? Doctors are paid by procedures they do, not their degrees. You do the math.

 

[bkpa2med]

All salaries will go down with ObamaCare. Enjoy!

 

[RySerr21]

There is no difference in pay. A DO anesthesiologist will make just as much as an MD anestholiogist. You can substitute any specialty in to the before sentence and it will always be true.

Any difference in pay has to do with the practice itself, number of patients seen, etc. etc. and nothing to do with the degree.

Here is a world map of international practice rights for DOs.

All salaries will go down with ObamaCare. Enjoy!

Thanks for the contribution.

 

[andexterouss]

Hey guys,
I'm applying to both D.O. schools and M.D. licensing schools in the US.
Someone asked me a question I had no answer to (the above one).
Do you guys know if the salaries are equal for both D.O. and M.D. doctors in the basic or higher specialties, in the US?

Also, I would like to spend the majority of my career as an international doctor--hence is it advisable to get an M.D. degree instead of a D.O.? I remember a representative telling me that the D.O. degree isn't as universally recognized.
Thanks.

You need to calm down. You just made a post on another forum asking how to transfer from DO to MD school. I see you have many questions so the best way to get them answered it by doing a search . You'd be surprise by the wealth of information you'll find.👍

 

[p30doc]

DO's get paid in ecuadorian shrunken heads, MD's get paid in gold bars..which is better depends on your needs...

 

[doctordodo]

All salaries will go down with ObamaCare. Enjoy!

i second that.....i will be in debt forever with Obamacare!

 

[DrMidlife]

What is with all the harsh? If this forum's answers come wrapped in a bitch-slap, do you think that reflects well on us as future DOs? Do you think all this defensiveness is attractive?

We are no better than pre-allo if we're going to go off on anybody who has the balls to ask a question. People are only asking stuff like this because they don't know. Our governing-body-to-be, the AOA, has never put in the effort to educate the average premed. It is NOT realistic to expect the average premed to understand what a DO is, and what a DO is not, until they have a reason to find out. And with nobody proactively and/or effectively promoting the good reasons (OMT, more location choices, more residency choices, practice equivalence), then you only get folks for the bad reasons (crap GPA, crap MCAT).

If you've always known what a DO is, congratulations. You're not the average premed.

 

[Bacchus]

All salaries will go down with ObamaCare. Enjoy!

All salaries will go down with McCainCare if he manages to cut Medicare's budget to "help fix" the national debt. Cutting a large amount of money from Medicare is going to cause them to reimburse doctors less and the private companies will follow suit like ducklings following mama.

 

[phEight]

What is with all the harsh? If this forum's answers come wrapped in a bitch-slap, do you think that reflects well on us as future DOs? Do you think all this defensiveness is attractive?

We are no better than pre-allo if we're going to go off on anybody who has the balls to ask a question. People are only asking stuff like this because they don't know. Our governing-body-to-be, the AOA, has never put in the effort to educate the average premed. It is NOT realistic to expect the average premed to understand what a DO is, and what a DO is not, until they have a reason to find out. And with nobody proactively and/or effectively promoting the good reasons (OMT, more location choices, more residency choices, practice equivalence), then you only get folks for the bad reasons (crap GPA, crap MCAT).

If you've always known what a DO is, congratulations. You're not the average premed.

Nicely said. I think the reason why some people are harsh is because a lot of topics have been covered verbatim and a simple search could give them their answers plus some. But either way I completely agree with what you said.

 

[ILikeFood]

Hey guys,
I'm applying to both D.O. schools and M.D. licensing schools in the US.
Someone asked me a question I had no answer to (the above one).
Do you guys know if the salaries are equal for both D.O. and M.D. doctors in the basic or higher specialties, in the US?

Salaries are the same. Don't believe me? Shadow a DO and read the forums.
http://www.osteopathic.org/YOM/Mentor_exchange.htm

Also, I would like to spend the majority of my career as an international doctor--hence is it advisable to get an M.D. degree instead of a D.O.?

Either degree can take you there.

I remember a representative telling me that the D.O. degree isn't as universally recognized.
Thanks.

What do you mean by universal?
MD=DO in the United States.
US MD=MBBS in the UK
UK MD~US PhD (2-3 years of research after the MBBS)


Still doesn't convince you? Then reapply to US MD schools with your 3.2 GPA and 26 MCAT. See if adcoms care about your Ivy League degree.

 

[ILikeFood]

What is with all the harsh? If this forum's answers come wrapped in a bitch-slap, do you think that reflects well on us as future DOs? Do you think all this defensiveness is attractive?

We are no better than pre-allo if we're going to go off on anybody who has the balls to ask a question. People are only asking stuff like this because they don't know. Our governing-body-to-be, the AOA, has never put in the effort to educate the average premed. It is NOT realistic to expect the average premed to understand what a DO is, and what a DO is not, until they have a reason to find out. And with nobody proactively and/or effectively promoting the good reasons (OMT, more location choices, more residency choices, practice equivalence), then you only get folks for the bad reasons (crap GPA, crap MCAT).

If you've always known what a DO is, congratulations. You're not the average premed.

Generally speaking, I'd agree with you. But the OP's post history suggests she's an Ivy League brat trying to find a backdoor to US MD schools.

 

[PunkmedGirl]

Generally speaking, I'd agree with you. But the OP's post history suggests she's an Ivy League brat trying to find a backdoor to US MD schools.

LOL Good researching skills.👍 Wow people can be so funny sometimes.🙄

 

[zenlike]

All salaries will go down with ObamaCare. Enjoy!

[citation needed]

 

[DrMidlife]

Generally speaking, I'd agree with you. But the OP's post history suggests she's an Ivy League brat trying to find a backdoor to US MD schools.

...and which part of that makes her not an average premed?!? Today she's unlikeable; next year she'll be your anatomy lab partner.

 

[ILikeFood]

...and which part of that makes her not an average premed?!? Today she's unlikeable; next year she'll be your anatomy lab partner.

I hope she's hot.

 

[RySerr21]

What do you mean by universal?
MD=DO in the United States.
US MD=MBBS in the UK
UK MD~US PhD (2-3 years of research after the MBBS)

Still doesn't convince you? Then reapply to US MD schools with your 3.2 GPA and 26 MCAT. See if adcoms care about your Ivy League degree.

Okay killer pirate. I know you feel bad ass with your eye patch and yellow bandana, but no need to be such a royal a-hole. As MidLife said, the OP is just asking a question. Take a chill pill.

Secondly, you clearly misunderstood what the OP meant by universal. He/she is probably interested in practicing INTERNATIONALLY so was curious about international practice rights for DOs. Its a legitimate question since DOs dont always have full practicing rights out of the U.S. (as you can see from the link on my first post in this thread).

 

[zenlike]

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Here's another good one:

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[ILikeFood]

Okay killer pirate. I know you feel bad ass with your eye patch and yellow bandana, but no need to be such a royal a-hole. As MidLife said, the OP is just asking a question. Take a chill pill.

If you have Killian's in your fridge, I will drink it.

Secondly, you clearly misunderstood what the OP meant by universal. He/she is probably interested in practicing INTERNATIONALLY so was curious about international practice rights for DOs. Its a legitimate question since DOs dont always have full practicing rights out of the U.S. (as you can see from the link on my first post in this thread).

Oh fine!

 

[zenlike]

...because it requires no thought or knowledge of history or economics.

Thought? Knowledge? History and economics? Sounds like a pretty elitist attitude if you ask me.

 

[MossPoh]

How about people stop posting biased videos that prove nothing and aren't legit citations. Then they can go and find out from an unbiased source that there isn't a significant difference in plans, despite what both parties say. One plan is more expensive and offers care to more people...that is about it. The socialism claim is hilarious because that was used for 40+ years before Reagan, he put an end to it, and then it started popping up again. They have been claiming democrats will turn this into a socialist nation for around 70 years, when most of us don't have any grasp on what that totally means and will never happen.

Anyway, both make same cash and both can do their little international trips to make them feel better for making money.

 

[tkim]

Secondly, you clearly misunderstood what the OP meant by universal. He/she is probably interested in practicing INTERNATIONALLY so was curious about international practice rights for DOs. Its a legitimate question since DOs dont always have full practicing rights out of the U.S. (as you can see from the link on my first post in this thread).

This idea of someone traveling all over the world and practicing medicine for money is a wholly premed doe-eyed fantasy. World-reknown physicians may get special dispensation to perform special surgeries or procedures in other countries - a la Ben Carlson, but the average physician will NOT travel from country to country practicing medicine for pay.

It takes several months and money simply to get a license in another *state*. The mechanisms to getting a license to practice medicine in another country usually involves taking that countries' licensing exam. It's tantamount to taking your specialty board exams every time you want to move to another country. No thanks.

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showpost.php?p=7140869&postcount=2

 

[NSA MD]

good answer

This idea of someone traveling all over the world and practicing medicine for money is a wholly premed doe-eyed fantasy. World-reknown physicians may get special dispensation to perform special surgeries or procedures in other countries - a la Ben Carlson, but the average physician will NOT travel from country to country practicing medicine for pay.

It takes several months and money simply to get a license in another *state*. The mechanisms to getting a license to practice medicine in another country usually involves taking that countries' licensing exam. It's tantamount to taking your specialty board exams every time you want to move to another country. No thanks.

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showpost.php?p=7140869&postcount=2

 

[RySerr21]

This idea of someone traveling all over the world and practicing medicine for money is a wholly premed doe-eyed fantasy. World-reknown physicians may get special dispensation to perform special surgeries or procedures in other countries - a la Ben Carlson, but the average physician will NOT travel from country to country practicing medicine for pay.

It takes several months and money simply to get a license in another *state*. The mechanisms to getting a license to practice medicine in another country usually involves taking that countries' licensing exam. It's tantamount to taking your specialty board exams every time you want to move to another country. No thanks.

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showpost.php?p=7140869&postcount=2

Interesting! Thanks for the info 👍

 

[Dissected]

I hope she's hot.

 

[atticus27]

Gasapple:

Come on man, you're better than this! Do yourself a favor and take up a sport outdoors like running or cycling. Life is good man! With a little bit of searching you can find something that you like that is more productive with your time and more beneficial to yourself mentally and physically. I wish you the best.

 

[Dissected]

hey gasapple are you voting for obama? i couldnt quite tell from your posts, you seem to be on the fence.

😀

 

[Brodiewankenobi]

Look to your democratic congress elected two years ago and the monies/corruption at Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Only the layman "blames the president/current administration" because it requires no thought or knowledge of history or economics.

You are absolutely correct...the problems at fannie and freddie started exactly on jan 4th 2007 (first day of the 110th congress). 🙄 They had nothing to due with the strong de-regulatory push of the gingrich and hastert led congresses and the clinton admin of the 1990s. Check out the Financial Services Modernization Act of 1999 (which repealed most of the Glass Steagel act of 1933) if you don't believe me. Get off this "only a layman" B.S. cause it makes you sound like a pretentious ass.

 

[p30doc]

This thread has devolved into political chain letters. Both parties are essentially the same, there are minute differences they bicker about but in the end neither is going to bring about the type of changes we need in this country. What we need is a revolution, a drastic change in the laws, integrity needs to matter once more, and we need return to the founding principles of this great nation. Also, http://www.campaignforliberty.com/ 😛

 

[Brodiewankenobi]

hey gasapple... You have proven to be very proficient at posted videos and articles produced and written by other people. Curious to know if you have any self generated opinions or ideas or are you just going to regurgitate the works of others. Maybe originality is only a "liberal" virtue.

 

[Brodiewankenobi]

I've served my country and I owe you absolutely nothing.

You are absolutely correct. You owe nothing to me. Though, as a future physician you do have one obligation, intellectual honesty. Despite being an "in the tank" liberal, I do believe that honest arguments can be made for both candidates without resorting to simple smears and insinuations. McCain's heath care plan can be critiqued on its merits without bringing up the Keating Five. Similarly Obama's can be evaluated without dredging up Tony Rezko. Your bait and switch style of argument cannot achieve a logical solution. Love to debate this in person over a couple of beers sometime and I thank you for you service.

 

[White Rabbit]

hey gasapple... You have proven to be very proficient at posted videos and articles produced and written by other people. Curious to know if you have any self generated opinions or ideas or are you just going to regurgitate the works of others. Maybe originality is only a "liberal" virtue.

Ah, the hypocrisy.

Hey Brodiewank - since youre a "newbie" 'round here by most views (me too, really), I wouldn't go calling Gassy out like that. You'll get served a big slice of humble pie (trust me, I've seen it) and you're already heading down the wrong path and seconds away from a checkmate. Just some friendly advice - besides, looks like you'll be heading to KCUMB where Gas will be a 2nd year. 😱

For the record, there are no liberal "virtues" - unless socialism is a virtue? 😀👍

I agree with other posters here, we should take this to the Lounge and stop bumping such a ridiculous "MD vs DO" thread.

 

[Brodiewankenobi]

I agree with other posters here, we should take this to the Lounge and stop bumping such a ridiculous "MD vs DO" thread.

agreed

 

[zenlike]

You guys know you're being trolled, right?

 

[HumidBeing]

The subject of this thread is whether or not DO salaries and MD salaries are competitive with one another. Please keep the discussion focused on that question alone. Remember to treat one another with respect. Do not use this thread for general political rants. Anyone who wants to blow off steam about politics may go the socio-political forum and rant away.

 

[johnniewalker11]

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[ddrake]

As far as ER docs go there is no difference in DO or MD.

 

[spicedmanna]

Oh for crying out loud... Why wouldn't the salaries be equal, since both degrees are professionally equivalent and use the exact SAME billing codes? There is no argument and nothing to discuss here. Given the same practice parameters, number of procedures performed, billable items, etc., a given specialist/sub-specialist with either degree is going to receive the same total reimbursement or pay. The determining factor isn't going to be the degree. 🙄

Okay?

 

[Spooner13]

Yeah, if you are looking to do medical missions or something overseas, then you should see which countries are D.O. friendly. For instance, I think that Austrailia has their own profession that goes by D.O. (but not exactly sure) so they get confused when a DO from the states wants to practice like MDs (again not sure about this, so definitely check it out for yourself. But I think I heard someone say this before).

good luck

 

[spicedmanna]

Yeah, if you are looking to do medical missions or something overseas, then you should see which countries are D.O. friendly. For instance, I think that Austrailia has their own profession that goes by D.O. (but not exactly sure) so they get confused when a DO from the states wants to practice like MDs (again not sure about this, so definitely check it out for yourself. But I think I heard someone say this before).

good luck

Ugh. You do NOT need to see which countries are so-called "DO friendly" when looking into doing mission work overseas. I don't know how many times this needs to be stated. It is a commonly cited misconception. In reality, physicians, whether MD or DO, who align themselves with an organization that performs medical missions are granted the ability to temporarily practice medicine/treat patients in that country for that purpose during their stay. This isn't dependent on degree.

In other words, being a DO isn't going to stop you from doing medical mission work in any country.

 

[Spooner13]

Ugh. You do NOT need to see which countries are so-called "DO friendly" when looking into doing mission work overseas. I don't know how many times this needs to be stated. It is a commonly cited misconception. In reality, physicians, whether MD or DO, who align themselves with an organization that performs medical missions are granted the ability to temporarily practice medicine/treat patients in that country for that purpose during their stay. This isn't dependent on degree.

In other words, being a DO isn't going to stop you from doing medical mission work in any country.

Oh, my bad. Thanks for correcting my mistake. Good to know.

 

[White Rabbit]

Spiced, as usual and with adequate frustration - summed up the initial question of the OP superbly, even though the thread shouldn't have been bumped again (I know, I'm bumping this stupid thread, too).

My concern with this particular thread is a matter of priniciple:

I think it's a concern that the esteemed mod (HumidBeing - who should act in a fair and unbiased manner at all times) removed ALL of GasApple's cited responses (no big deal that they were YouTube sources IMO - they addressed the question) which were directed to a user who inquired about "salary decreases" with ObamaCare/socialized medicine. I honestly DO NOT view it as "derailment" but a mere tangent of the discussion. Just my view...

With all due respect Humid, if you're going to be that over-the-top with your bias and fervent "squelchfest", please remove the other posts - which also include YouTube political videos and other comments along the same vein - a discussion which, in my opinion, you erroneously classified as a derailment!

Anyway, just my two cents. If there's to be SQUELCHING, please let it be FAIR AND BALANCED! If not, I spit on SDN. 😉

 

[psy]

Everything depends on your practice. During one of my interviews, one of the adcom person was a DO who will be resigning her position at the school after the interviews to go back home to practice. It turns out the demand there for a female DO is pretty high, specifically they want OMM. So if you want to practice OMM as a DO there is always a niche for you somewhere.

 

[DrMidlife]

I think it's a concern that the esteemed mod (HumidBeing - who should act in a fair and unbiased manner at all times) removed ALL of GasApple's cited responses (no big deal that they were YouTube sources IMO - they addressed the question) which were directed to a user who inquired about "salary decreases" with ObamaCare/socialized medicine. I honestly DO NOT view it as "derailment" but a mere tangent of the discussion. Just my view...

I have no problem with this squelching of GasApple, and I'm totally cool with banning GasApple, given that GasApple posted system-crashing rickrolls last year. Any further posting of videos by this user should be avoided at all costs, and for this user to still have such a capability is beyond me. More like Gas*******.

 

[White Rabbit]

I have no problem with this squelching of GasApple, and I'm totally cool with banning GasApple, given that GasApple posted system-crashing rickrolls last year. Any further posting of videos by this user should be avoided at all costs, and for this user to still have such a capability is beyond me. More like Gas*******.

I have a qualm with it. 😀

That's a bit harsh and Gas's posts were (and have been) benign for some time - and its apples and oranges in this situation, really. I got rick-rolled by him then too, no biggie. I'm not that uptight. I also experienced no system-crashing effects - easy break. The user (Gas) stopped after the warning and decried no harm intended and hasn't done it since. TexasTriathlete was doing the EXACT same thing and he did't get slammed - or labeled with a permanent grudge the way you're going off. Besides, that was a while back.

I viewed his reponses to the question here and it was no problem and sure didn't warrant the full-tilt bias he received/is receiving... My position stands - and you might admit those responses must have gotten under your political skin a bit? Just a thought...

 

[DrMidlife]

My position stands - and you might admit those responses must have gotten under your political skin a bit? Just a thought...

What responses? I see GasApple, I see YouTube or links, I ignore the whole thing completely.

A "rickroll" is a harmless link to a Rick Astley video. TexasTri's rickrolls were this harmless kind. GA's links to rickrolls threw message boxes all over the screen that can't be dismissed, rendering the machine inoperable. I had secondary essays open for editing. Again, what an *******.

 

[White Rabbit]

What responses? I see GasApple, I see YouTube or links, I ignore the whole thing completely.

A "rickroll" is a harmless link to a Rick Astley video. TexasTri's rickrolls were this harmless kind. GA's links to rickrolls threw message boxes all over the screen that can't be dismissed, rendering the machine inoperable. I had secondary essays open for editing. Again, what an *******.

I hear you on the editing part and you're entitled but thats circumstance IMO - you could've had a power outage and your work evidently wasn't saved... I'm not meaning to be overly contradictory here, I just don't agree fully.

I got that tough ROLL from TT then, too - and some other people on SDN. Everyone took them down per mods - including Gas. I didn't think it was difficult to get out of - just seems like youre bringing something into this that's long gone and largely irrelevant.

For the record, me and a number of folks here have received solid med school information (mainly via PM) from Gas with regard to admissions and MCAT stuff; he's definitely sharp, a good SDN resource, and I find him more than occasionally entertaining. 👍 Maybe it's not time to crucify the "free speech victim" in this thread who was actually following the rules and answering questions.😀 Just sayin'...

 

[White Rabbit]

Your SDN data is usually "on" too, Dr. Midlife. 👍