Dallas Gen Surg Programs

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I'm really interested in doing my General Surgery residency in Dallas. My wife has family there which would make me feel less guilty about the hours I'll be working.

UT Southwestern
Baylor University Medical Center(Dallas)
Methodist Hosps of Dallas

I've done some research to find out about them. I've read the Freida, ACS, and ACGME on the programs there, as well as the individual websites for the programs. I've read the interview reviews on here. I am just wondering what other people can tell me about their programs based on their interviews there, med school at UT southwestern, having friends match there.

Will I be able to get good training at those residencies? What are their strengths and weaknesses? Any other information?
Also i'm trying to decide which program to do an away rotation at, so if anyone has any pertinent information to give me about making that decision I would appreciate it.

Thanks,

Justin

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UTSW is very well regarded. It is a big program with 12/year. Parkland gives great hands on experience. Well trained to be a general surgeon on completion. Is also rumored to be very "rigorous," where the residents work very hard. Make of that what you will. I thought that the residents were cool and I would have been fine with matching there.
 
i interviewed at all 3 programs, and i believe you will get good training at all of them. I do agree with the last post about UTSW, although I am biased as I matched there this year.

From my experience at interviews, here are some thoughts:
1.UTSW: I did a visiting rotation during my 4th year here, and really enjoyed it. Of course the residents work hard, but I would not take "rigorous" to be synonymous with "malignant". In my experience, UTSW offers the best all-around, hands-on training of the 3 programs in Dallas. The autonomy is above and beyond the other two programs and really puts UTSW in its own league. The reputation is just a plus in my opinion. The only weakness I saw, and one the department openly admits to, is there is no transplant service. That may be changing, or may have already changed, as they were looking to hire a transplant surgeon when I was there in the fall. Not that big of a deal to me because I'm not overly ambitious about transplant.

2. Baylor Univ: Overall appeared to be a good program in a private setting. This means the facilities are nicer in some respects, but as a resident, you will be dealing with more attendings (read: less autonomy). They have a nice breadth of services, including a lot of laparscopic surgery. The attendings I met seemed very smart and willing to teach. The downside I saw was that there is no real teams per se, you instead move from attending to attending and follow their patients, which do tend to be in line with general surgery services like you would see at purely academic institutions. I enjoy the team environment, quick teaching rounds, etc. and thus, this was a big minus in my book.

3. Methodist: This is a very small program, only 2 residents per year. I enjoyed this interview and they really made a strong impression on me. The chairman insists that the program is very academic and they have a well-structured teaching program. This place will definitely prepare you for private practice after residency -- during your 5th year, you act as a junior attending, meaning you run your own clinic and handle all of your own billing so when you get out, you can hit the ground running. It is a great program if you are looking for that angle. I think trauma is a little lighter here, not necesarily by volume, but by case severity -- all the good stuff goes to Parkland. Otherwise, I was pleasantly surprised by this program.

That is my two cents, and of course my opinions. I think the only way you will figure it out is to interview at all of them. I would highly recommend doing a visiting rotation at one possibly two, especially if you are interested in UTSW, as it gives you the opportunity to prove you belong there. Good luck!
 
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Having experience with all 3, I'll add my 2 cents. Bear in mind that I matched at Baylor (my #1 choice) this year. Also, as you'll see, I am biased, but truly mean no offense to any program or its residents. I'm just listing my opinions/experiences.

UTSW - I did a month of Gen Surg here, and took Trauma call each weekend. They HAD an excellent reputation, but each year seem to lose more respect on a national level. Residents here do have a ton of autonomy (staff rarely scrub and even then only for a portion of the case, when needed). They also are very well-trained in the medical perioperative care of patients. This stems from the fact that they rarely see the OR until their third year (there's just too much to do on the floor). This also meant that the junior residents here were the most depressed I've ever seen. Their favorite mantra, uttered daily, is "We all have one thing in common. We enjoy pain." They also have a lot of catching up to do as PGY3s in terms of technical proficiency and surgical skill.
Parkland is seems entirely based on indigent care, and I was amazed at how many corners were cut on a daily basis. I couldn't believe what passed for standard care there. It was here that I learned the valuable lesson that being able to operate does not necessarily translate into doing correctly. After my month at UTSW, I cancelled my interview (as did all of the 4 other students I spoke with on the interview trail). I saw no reason to put up with the depressing atmosphere and spiteful residents for training I could get elsewhere. That said, I do think the chiefs graduate as great surgeons. Also, their M&M and Grand Rounds are the best I've seen, attended by almost all of the staff, who add a great deal to the discussion/education.

Methodist - Interviewed here and truely believe that it might be the "cushiest" community program in the country, while still offering great training. It is NOT light on trauma and sees more penetrating trauma than Parkland. Trauma is handled differently here, though, as there is no dedicated trauma service. The residents were the most diverse group of people I could imagine being grouped together, yet also the closest & happiest that I encountered in my 20 interviews. The program director is very involved in resident education and a great guy overall. Also, I know a few recent grads and they all got the fellowships they wanted, so if you want to go into private surgery, definitely check these guys out. I simply wanted a bigger program with more research opportunities.

Baylor - definitely different than any other program I visited. There are no true teams, and you simply round (alone) on the patients you operated on, then again later with the staff from the respective case. Very geared toward self-motivated residents, who can get into the OR by 10am or earlier on a daily basis. They have 66 operating rooms running daily, so there's ample opportunity to see cases you're interested in. Early, autonomous operative experience. If you can demonstrate competency to the staff, they'll let you pretty much do the cases, even as a PGY2. Close-knit group of residents, though from what I saw, basically a fraternity of "guys-guys" (which appealed to me after working with some spiteful residents elsewhere). A friend of mine is a 4th year resident at Baylor, and I based a lot of my decision to rank them 1st on his input. He could have gone pretty much anywhere and when I asked him if he's happy where he's at, he replied, "150%." As a 4th year, he feels he can operate on par with chiefs from anywhere, he had more than enough time to spend with his family, and he more than doubled his salary last year moonlighting. I chose Baylor because although it's a community program, you're expected to do research, you get tons of OR experience, much earlier than at academic centers, and there's a great network of surgeons to get you the job/fellowship you want.

Bottom line, I don't think you can go wrong anywhere in Dallas. If you truly want to stay in academics, UTSW is the easy choice, though IMO definitely the most "old-school, hierarchical, and scut-work-heavy" of the three. If you want to go private and have a lighter residency schedule while still getting great training, choose Methodist or Baylor. Keep in mind, though, that going to a community program will certainly close some doors at academic institutions in the future.
 
UTSW....Their favorite mantra, uttered daily, is "We all have one thing in common. We enjoy pain." ....I saw no reason to put up with the depressing atmosphere and spiteful residents for training I could get elsewhere. ...Also, their M&M and Grand Rounds are the best I've seen, attended by almost all of the staff, who add a great deal to the discussion/education....

The above is true. I did an intern year at UTSW. I would characterize it as malignant. The Grand Rounds is a weekly bloodbath....they carry in a cross and hang someone on it most every week. The up-side is that the chiefs are extremely competent, at least those who make it that far.
 
...The Grand Rounds is a weekly bloodbath....they carry in a cross and hang someone on it most every week... QUOTE]

LOL. True, though as long as you're not the one being crucified, you get a lot out of it. But you're still always waiting to be called out...
 
Are all three programs super competitive to get into? Certainly I know UTSW is, but just wondering about Baylor and Methodist...
I've got a low step 1 score to deal with. Just took step 2, and I expect that to be better, or I felt much more confident, anyway. All my 3rd year evaluations are stellar, will have great LOR's.
 
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