DAT Done 5/24/10

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So this is my first post here,
I just finished my DAT, and have to say I am somewhat satisfied considering this is the first time I took it.

Biology -->24 (98.7)
G-Chem ->26 (98.4)
O-Chem ->24 (95.2)
PAT ------>19 🙁
QR ------->18 🙁^2
RC ------->20
Total Science -> 25 (99.6)
Academic Avg -> 22 (96.4)

I can answer questions about what I did, how I studied etc, so ask me any questions you may have. Meanwhile, here is a list of resources that I used.

Biology:

1. Kaplan (course+blue book)
So this was my foundation in all of the sciences. I have to say the class was a rather waste of time and money, but I would be a bit biased based on the fact that I took the class last summer, and really didn't follow the class too well. Overall I would give the blue book a 8/10. Anyone who wants a nice foundation on which they can build their knowledge for the sciences should look into getting the blue book.

2. Cliff's AP Bio
While the blue book was a great foundation, it is by far not a complete guide to what you can be tested on in the biology section. For those of you who want to do well on the biology section, and hate the most commonly given advice in these forums which is to read the campbell's bio book, get Cliff's AP Bio. It is a very very very good book, that gives just the right amount of detail that you may be held responsible for. Do note however, Cliff's AP bio is not a good source for the ecology section of the bio. I personally felt that Kaplan's blue book was a much better resource for evolution and ecology.

3. MCAT Audio Osmosis (EXTREMELY OPTIONAL)
So I happen to have a sister who took the MCAT, and as a result I had access to this resource, which is just basically a lot of the bio in audio files. I burned these to a disk and had them playing in my car, which in effect meant I was studying even when I was driving to school. If you can somehow get your hands on this, this is a very good resource to add to your DAT regimen

Gen Chem:

1. Kaplan Blue Book
I can swear by Kaplan's G-Chem stuff! It is a great, great source of what you should review (and know by heart), prior to stepping foot near Prometric testing centers. I cant really say more, because I was really strong in general chemistry back when I took it, so people who don't feel strong in G-chem are better off using multiple resources for this.

O Chem:

1. Kaplan Blue Book
The blue book does for o-chem what it does for bio. It is simply a great foundation, yet not enough by itself to get you over the top. I supplemented my O-chem studies with a 200lb box of notes that I saved back from when I took the course. O-chem is really a know it subject, and I recommend really learning the material rather than merely memorizing reactions as what goes where. Overall, O-chem was my easiest part of the exam, or so I thought.

Quizzes, Questions Etc...

1. Topscore
I thought This was a good set of tests. Although the material is not at the top of spectrum as far as difficulty, it is a great resource because it provides full length exams, which are vital to one's preparations. Overall, I believe the actual DAT was much harder than Topscore, in the sciences at least. Score wise however, it is a good approximation of where you stand.

2. DAT Destroyer
Alright I am a bit mixed on this one. It is a great supplement to whatever you are using to study, because it provides some 700 questions that have well explained answers. I probably went over this about 3 times, and on the 3rd time made a sheet with all the things I still had problems with. That was the good, and now for the bad: 1. A bit of a road kill in the bio section --> for my actual exam I saw alot more concept questions that were really much simpler, yet I overlooked because I was more infatuated with the "excessive details" that were in the destroyer as well as Cliff's AP. As for O-chem and G-chem I think the destroyer is a must. Especially for G-chem, I thought the destroyer was well worth the price. It is a bit of a road kill as far as the calculations, but again, everything is fair game for the DAT. For O-chem, I thought the destroyer helped me see some things a lot more clearly. The road maps are a great resource for o-chem as well. The worst part about the Destroyer? the QR section is too water'd down. do not rely on the destroyer for QR, the actual QR is MUCH HARDER! So is the Destroyer worth its hefty price tag? I would say yes. However, if you are pressed on money, I would get every other thing in this list first, and the destroyer only if you have more money to spend.

3. DAT Achiever
Again, a set of 3 tests that I took, mainly to improve my timing on the actual exam. The questions are not as hard as people are making it out to be. Infact,I thought the difficulty of the DAT was on par with these exams. The one big difference however, was the scores I was getting in the achiever compared to what I got on the actual test.

4. A series of Kaplan section tests
These were multiple sets of questions on different subjects for bio,chemistry, and QR. Overall not that great of a resrouce.

5. Crack DAT
I actually purchased the package that gave me 10 PAT tests along with 5 Complete science tests, 5 RC, and 10 QR, a package that cost me $290. DONT BUY THAT PACKAGE! The science tests on this are absurd, infatuated with details that you have never learned and don't need to learn, and simply a huge waste of money. What wasnt a waste of money? the PAT tests for CDP are priceless. they are on par with what you should be able to handle come test day. If you want to do better in PAT, BUY CDP! the more tests the merrier!

6. ADA Practice test
Dont bother with this. The sample questions are too easy. Enough said...

I can write more but I am a bit tired, so I will just wait for questions, and answer them when I can. Good luck to all.


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UPDATE::
Some of the material that I used to prepare are listed for sale at the link below 🙂

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=731843

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3. DAT Achiever
Again, a set of 3 tests that I took, mainly to improve my timing on the actual exam. The questions are not as hard as people are making it out to be. Infact,I thought the difficulty of the DAT was on par with these exams. The one big difference however, was the scores I was getting in the achiever compared to what I got on the actual test.

So what were your scores compared for achiever? How long did you study?
 
I studied for about 60 days. Not sure about where I am applying just yet, but hope to get into a California School.
 
ohhh i see. so like 2 months...
good that's how much time i basically have along w/ studying for summer school ... -__-
i'm sure you'll be able to get into a california school!
are you doing your undergrad at a cali school right now?
 
your name cracked me up "son of a tunna" :laugh:

great job on those scores... I don't usually see someone with such difference between TS and AA, its a real attention grabber
 
The deviation between my TS and AA was simply a product of what i studied... I did not study anything for math until the last week. However, I was very confident in that section, I dont know what really happened there 🙁
 
Hey awesome scores! Congrats! You said Achiever was on par with the real test. What were you Achiever scores?
 
I didn't study the lab portion of cliffs. I took 2 of the 3 tests in achiever and was pulling in the low 20s in the sciences and PAT and math, but much lower (like 17s) in RC
 
hey.. i'm taking my DATs in a week (pray for me)... but I'm worried about the gchem and ochem.. in achiever there were a BUNCH of tedious calculations in for the gchem section, did you get those on the actual thing? and for ochem were there a lot of reaction questions?

thanks for the help man.. hopefully i can replicate your scores. 🙂
 
hey penguin1,
I actually couldnt do all the calculations at first, but after going through the destroyer about 3 times I knew about 90% of how all the calculations were done. Overall I thought prior to the exam that G-chem would be my worst of the 3 sciences, since i spent a hell of a lot more time studying bio, but I turned out OK in the end. If you want to really kick the Gen-chem sections ass, I suggest you get your hands on the kaplan blue book, and review their G-chem stuff which is rather short (about 100 pages total). If you can do Kaplan's G-chem, you will surely do above a 20 on G-chem. As for O-chem, the destroyer was a pretty good guide. I thought the actual test, however, was a lot easier than the destroyer problems, for both G-chem and O-chem. There were a couple of really tricky questions here and there though, about 5 in each section, but overall, my scores in the sciences are doable for anyone that has taken the time to prepare. Just remember, keep your composure at all times during the test, and keep fighting. When I was finished with the NS part of my exam I thought that I did ok, but realistically I thought Id fall in the lower 20's in those sections. So the lesson here, is to not let one section put you in panic mode. Another pointer, when you are at the end of the QR section, with about 5 minutes left, you will be really really anxious to see your scores. Do not make the same mistake I did, take the entire allotted time and keep your self from getting distracted by the finish line. I wish all of you the best of luck...
 
Test, Tests and more tests.
I would have scored much higher in RC, but i got piano'd 🙁


Haha i love the phrasing got piano'd. I take it you don't have any experience with a piano?? Luckily for me I have a very intimate knowledge of the piano from my 22 years of having one!!! This passage isn't very hard if you have any experience with music---especially guitar!
 
lol, well, ill say this much:
the piano was the 3rd passage I got; The first 2 passages were material that I knew by heart as I had an upper division class on one, and TA'd the subject for the 2nd passage in another class. I got to the piano passage with 30 minutes left, went through and read the whole passage and mapped it out on 2 different scratch sheets! heres the problem... the questions are ******ed hard! there are about 7 or 8 I could find directly in the passage, with the rest being things that I can swear were not expressed directly in the passage. For those questions you pretty much had to apply the things that you were told in the passage, in a new situation, if that makes any sense. Quite honestly, I can say without a shadow of a doubt, that I would have scored above a 25 had I not received that stupid passage. I am almost absolutely sure that I missed less than 2 combined questions on the first two paragraphs. In the end, I was the victim of an urban legend, that turned out to be a true monster!
 
Haha i love the phrasing got piano'd. I take it you don't have any experience with a piano?? Luckily for me I have a very intimate knowledge of the piano from my 22 years of having one!!! This passage isn't very hard if you have any experience with music---especially guitar!

What is this mysterious piano passage all about? Is it about pianos and music? Is it the same passage that people are freaking out about it?😕

I have absolutely no clue about music. So this would probably kill me.
 
I studied for about 60 days, during a school quarter in which I am currently enrolled in 14 units. As for the hours, in the beginning (I started in spring break) I was going at about 7 to 8 hours a day, given the fact that I had to try to get as far as I could before school work started taking time away from my DAT studies. Doing so, I review'd all the sciences and pretty much filled up an entire notebook with notes of what I thought would be imperative to know in 3 weeks (1 week each subject). After that I had to tone it down a bit (~3-4 Hours a day) as I had to deal with all my school work as well. finally, the last 2 weeks before my exam, I decided to skip my classes and went back home, where I studied about 10-12 hours a day, during which I was taking mock tests, strengthening my weak points, and learning some of the things I had left off (MATH!).
For any of you who are reading this and wondering how much time you should be spending on this stuff, heres my perspective...
The DAT is a very challenging exam. It tests your knowledge as well as how you can apply that knowledge to topics/questions you may have never seen. In essence, a well prepared student should not just go all out and memorize every detail in the book. While memorizing could pull you in the 20's, It is a very flaw'd method. So instead of memorizing, go through the material and try to get a deep understanding for how everything is setup. For example, when studying for O-chem, really pay attention to reaction mechanisms, and try to push arrows, propose intermediates, and do whatever you can to try and understand why a reaction proceeds the way it does. It is with this level of deep understanding that you can guarantee yourself success. The DAT is a very stressful exam, in preparation, and the taking, and if you guys are like me, you would hope to never have to take it again. To do so, sacrifices are inevitable. for the 2 month duration of my studies, I never once "went out", never occupied myself with useless activities, and stayed on-track for 99.9% of the time. Hard work does pay off, and anyone who says "I dont know how to do better", is either incapable, or scared of the sacrifices that one must make in order to succeed.
 
My pleasure to help 🙂
If anyone else has any questions, please feel free to ask.

I took the DAT last year and did well in my sciences but got 17 in PAT and 16 RC and 14 QR and right now i am taking the Kaplan Online course DAT destroyer 2006 edition and thinking about buying the Crack the DAT Ultimate Bundle Package...

any suggestion on how close the RC, Math and PAT sections of the "Crack the DAT" are to the real DAT...

Thanx a bunch
 
I thought Crack the DAT was a very good program for everything except for the sciences. A bit pricey but definitely worth the buy especially for PAT and QR. RC is also very good on Crack the DAT, but again on the real DAT luck plays a huge role as to what passages you get. Just practice practice, and practice 🙂
 
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