DAT Done (FRAPPED) 9-5-08

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Here are my scores from last year and today

BIO 19 19 +0
GCHEM 20 23 +3
OCHEM 18 19 +1
PAT 14 16 +2
RC 19 17 -2
QR 19 19 +0
TS 19 20 +1
AA 19 19 +0

I am a TX applicant with a GPA of 3.56, science 3.42, and 3.5 grad school (MPH and MA). Do I need a retake???

Sorry for the short post, I just wrote a really really long post that got deleted so I will re-write later. Thanks for all of your support SDNers!!!
 
De-Generation X, Break it down!!!

Ok, here goes the re-write. Here is what I thought about each of the sections

BIO: Ok, these questions were all over the place, but hey, it’s the nature of the subject, of course the questions are going to be random!!! I got lots of DNA technology questions, the dreaded FRAP Q, and a good mix of everything else. Well, the Destroyer was good for its wealth of knowledge and practice, btu it WASN’T on “on par” like a lot of people have said. I used Schaum’s which was way too detailed and put me to sleep, Kaplan course, and TopScore. I gotta say, none of these prep materials were all that great individually, but they did contribute a little bit to help me gain a general understanding of biology. I found that the questions tested your application of concepts rather than your ability to memorize certain facts. I did like how Kaplan made you memorize anatomy anf human phys stuff, and how TopScore tested you on concepts from Campbell’s biology and how Detroyer asked u tons of Qs. However, to be successful, u have to be able to apply the knowledge.

GCHEM: Kaplan here is enough. Master Kaplan and u are good to go. The Destroyer was overkill on the calculations, (my test was mostly conceptual with only 2-3 calculations) so if you are short on time, just do kaplan. However, u gotta be prepared for anything so I would highly recommend supplementing with Destroyer.

OCHEM: Again, Destroyer was overkill BUT it definitely helps u drill the reagents and products of all of the different reaction types. The Kaplan flashcards are very good, but I would just understand kaplan if you are short on time. Lots of the Qs were predicting products.

PAT: This was by far my worst section. I dunno what to say, I’m a donkey when it comes to PAT. HOWEVER, Crack is $$$ for this section. So the first time I took the DAT, I got a 14 on PAT. I know big mistake for only using Kaplan. Kaplan and TopScore PAT are way TOO EASY!!!. I found CRACK to be very challenging and more like the real thing.

Keyholes: More like Crack but Kaplan and TopScore are ok (I didn’t use Achiever cuz I DON’T like to be pummelled by ANY test).
T/F/E: The line counting method doesn’t work here. You gotta use perceptual ability of which I’m a donkey (eee aww).
Angles: More like Crack, Kaplan too easy, TopScore is ok. After doing CRACK, this section isn’t so bad.
Hole Punch: Pretty easy. Easier than Crack, more like TopScore, Kaplain is too easy.
Cubes: Easiest section by far. More like Kaplan and NOT like Crack which has illusions, what I liked the most here is that the cubes are blown up HUGE on the computer screen which makes it obvious to count and tally. Should get 15/15
Patterns: Again, ee aww!!! I never did good on pattern folding and could narrow down to two. The good thing is, is that there wasn’t a whole lot of following shades and stripes like there was on Crack but more on seeing what shape the overall pattern made.

RC: So I got the dreaded ethics passage. Timing is key here and none of the prep materials are good for this section cuz the real DAT has tone and inference Qs. I suggest getting the MCAT verbal book and also supplementing with kaplan/TopScore cuz there are some search and destroy Qs.
QR: I can see why people have been getting hammered on this section, it is definitely challenging! I’m not gonna complain cuz a lot of people would gladly take my score BUT practice canceling factors, dividing fractions, guesstimating values, and doing lots of word problems. Kaplan subject tests are good here.

So here is my story. I took the DAT in July 07 only having studied Kaplan materials (blue book and online). What a BIG mistake!!! The PAT owned me as u have seen so this time around, I took the actualy in class course (which is good for forcing u to study and to memorize what they want u to memorize) but I also used the Destroyer, bought TopScore and Crack the DAT PAT 10 tests. Last year I studied hardcore for 4 months, but this year was different. I had my 11 month old daughter to take care, a full-time job at MD Anderson, and a wife who was studying for her PhD candidacy exam (shes an MD/PhD student). So I studied sporadically from late May 08-early Sept 08. I studied all of the kaplan materials, did the Destroyer, did ALL of the Kaplan subject tests, and then re-did the destroyer and took 4 kaplan full lengths and 3 topscore tests.

My best advice is u really REALLY have to want it BAD and force yourself to study. Do whatever u need to do to pump yourself up. If you will, act like the DAT just bi*&^ slapped your mom and whizzed on your dad and u want revenge, of if pink daffodils works for u, well so be it.

I am a texas applicant who interviewed at San Antonio and Houston last yr and was waitlisted at Houston with a 19/19/14 DAT. This time, I am eyeing on houston, but if I don’t get in again, I am going to apply out of state. I am 27 years old and Ive been around and have seen almost everything. I LOVE helping undergrads so please hit me up with Qs. I have a BS in Microbio, an MPH in Epidemiology and an MA in Biochem with TA experience in cell biology and metabolism in Biochemistry, authored two papers, and taught undergrads in the lab at Rice Univ.

I would like any and ALL opinions. Do I need to re-take again? I’m really worried since I’m such a borderline applicant, I’m asian by the way so I know I need to step it up. What do yall think????
 
Oh and one more thing, I took the three TopScore exams the 4 days prior to me exam date. The reason why i did this, is b/c i took my friends advice and got used to the grueling timed conditions so that when test day came around, it would be "just another day at the office" here are my practice test scores


Top Score 1 2 3 Kaplan Mid Final 2 3

BIO 19 20 18 16 18 18 21
GCHEM 19 19 18 18 18 23 16
OCHEM 18 17 18 17 19 17 12
PAT 18 18 18 17 18 18 17
RC 22 23 21 20 21 19 19
QR 21 22 29 18 22 20 18
 
I have a BS in Microbio, an MPH in Epidemiology and an MA in Biochem with TA experience in cell biology and metabolism in Biochemistry, authored two papers, and taught undergrads in the lab at Rice Univ.

I would like any and ALL opinions. Do I need to re-take again? I’m really worried since I’m such a borderline applicant, I’m asian by the way so I know I need to step it up. What do yall think????

I think you are in good shape now.
nice improvement

Kudos for the papers
 
lol i have a feeling i was the only one who got the DX reference... nice scores and thanks for the breakdown!
 
LOL!!! I'm SO glad SOMEONE got it!!! Now, I'm not the only wrestling freak on SDN. u really made my day. 🙂
 
with ur edu background and GPA...u should be set. even with a 19 on the DAT... idk why they put you on waiting list. once you get an interview you had the 50/50 chance to get in..maybe you messed up during the interview?
 
I interviewed before the 1st round of acceptances, the Texas schools go on a rolling admissions basis where they send out out first round acceptances on dec 1st, and continue to fill their class, which is usually finalized in Feb. I thought my interview went well, but I might have screwed up without knowing it, but idk.

As far as FRAP goes, just do a SDN google search and u'll see a billion posts about it, I won't go into detail here as it has been a controversial topic about whether its against the rules to describe what it is; since others have already talked about it, u can read their take on what it is, but its just a nasty bio Q. thats all i can say
 
Good job and good luck! Those scores definitely look much better, better science and better PAT. I wish I had your QR score!!! I'm applying to the Texas schools too, and Houston is my fav as well. 🙂
 
YEAAA deneration x! hahaha used to watch wwf/wcw but its been a while.. you have good stats you should be solid😉
 
I agree that you are in good shape. Your other scores besides the PAT are really good, and your PAT isn't as bad as you think. I have a feeling that your other scores will help pick up your PAT score. However I am not sure how long ago you too the test but I took it Sept. 2006. I also took the KAPLAN in class which was around 1200 bucks. I think it really helped, well the online portions did. Its all about practice. I did the same thing you did, I had all summer study from June to mid September but I got pretty lazy and was studying sporadically like you did. It wasn't until the last two weeks before the test that I was like OH ****! i gotta prepare. I had a week and a half to prepare and most of that time was just taking practice tests. Its true what they say if you take a lot of practice tests like two weeks before the exam, the actual DAT will be much easier to deal with. I am planning on retaking it as well since my scores are going to expire, I plan on doing the same things I did before, which were getting the KAPLAN book, finding online DAT tests, studying the books and taking a test a week, and then when its crunch time take as many tests as I can. I did however feel the PAT prep at least online for the KAPLAN course was good. Hope this helps
 
thanks for all of your replies!!! i really appreciate it 😀. sucks that u have to re-take, but see it this way, u KNOW u can kill this exam, and u WILL!!! dont even think about the stats that say that most people do worse on their 2nd go, u just go about your own study regime and focus on yourself and vent/celebrate later. the exam is all about mental preparation, it all a mind game. dont ever psyche yourself out and stay motivated. its just like DX, "DAT, I got two words for you!!!"
 
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