DAT loophole?

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Here's my situation.

I took the DAT last year and received a 21/17. I am now getting ready to apply for this upcomoing application cycle, and will send in my original DAT scores. If I retake the DAT (to get that 20/20), what would happen if I get a lower score and choose not to send it to schools? Will the dental schools that already have my original DAT scores see the new DAT score?

Those of you in the know please help!

Thanks
 
Personally, I wouldn't chance it. Your scores are good/above average, and unless your GPA is well below average, I wouldn't even THINK of taking the DAT again.

But to answer your quesitons, I think the schools will see scores for every attempt you took it, but only use the scores from the most recent exam.

Some schools average them I think.

But either way, I don't think it is good to try and "hide" your scores. I think they frown upon that.
 
i agree with critterbug


Your score is good No reason to take it over.
 
They will take ur most recent score.
But you do have a point cos if u score worse, couldnt u just not send to sch?
They might automatically update your score is my guess.

If you get the 20/20 for ur upcoming DAT, they will take that as ur score for sure.
 
What school are you aiming for?

I would not retake it unless you absolutely want UOP, UCLA, Columbia, UConn, etc.

Most less competitive in-state schools and privates will be plenty impressed with your 21/17.
 
You guesssed it, UOP.
 
I cannot tell you for sure how that works. I thought that it was sort of odd that despite paying AADSAS for sending out applications to schools, that ADA wants to charge you to send DAT score reports to every school that you applied to (except the first 5).

I don't understand why you can't just send one report out to AADSAS and have AADSAS forward your scores to the schools. The only explanation I can come up with is that the current system allows for more cash flow for ADA. In any case, I won't complain as the ADA does much more good for our profession than any other single organization.

I really wonder if your scores get sent to AADSAS anyway. I know that you are asked your scores in the AADSAS application, but I'm guessing that they are unverified scores if your original DAT report does not follow, much like your undergrad grades are asked but unverified until your original transcripts follow. My guess is that while AADSAS performs the duty of verifying college transcripts, they might absolve themselves of the responsibility of verifying DAT scores.

I will be able to give you an exact answer when I get home. This is because when I completed my AADSAS application, I did not provide DAT scores as I hadn't taken the test by then. If I see DAT scores on the copy my AADSAS application they sent back to me, then that is proof that those scores were provided directly from ADA to AADSAS. I'll let you know when I get home.

If you know someone at an admissions office at a school you could ask them nicely what the acceptable verifications of a DAT score are.


The only reason I am providing this information is to make the process and procedure more clear to you. I am not providing this information so you can withhold future scores. Our careers are worth more than that, and there is no point in being a dentist if you cannot be trusted. Full disclosure is always the best policy for everyone involved.


Having said all that, I think it is much more important that you focus on mastering the material so that you will get a higher score next time. Quite frankly, you have a good score and I believe that you are a smart enough kid to get an even better score. The DAT is not an aptitude test, it is a test that you can do better easily with just a few days of focused studying. Another thing I firmly believe is that you will not be going into a second test without knowing that you will do better. With all the prep materials and practice test out there, I feel that it is quite black and white about whether you are ready to take the test again and get a better score. You will just know it.

As I said before, I think that you can achieve significant improvement if you go over the material again and focus your effort on your weak areas.

I will tell you the one thing that in my opinion is absolutely invaluble in acheiving the greatest amount of improvement in the shortest amount of time:

When you take a practice test, do not look at the explanations. Just mark correct or incorrect first. Go back and try to answer the questions you got wrong with one of the remaining choices. Keep repeating until you get them all right. I am not ashamed to admit that I had to repeat that process 3 times sometimes - meaning that the correct answer was the last one I choose sometimes. This will tell you where your weaknesses in understanding are. Now read the explantions for all your wrong answers. If you are still not 100% clear on the topic at hand pick up your Kaplan Blue Book and read the chapter or section that covers the material you need extra help with. With Top Score pro there are no explanations, so you must go back and find the section that answers your question in the Kaplan book yourself, do not skip this, just find the section and read it as many times as need to fully understand it.

This whole thing might seem like the most time consuming and tedious process ever devised. Believe me when I say that it is most time saving process I know of. If you do this for one test and spend say 4 hours analyzing your mistakes and reading, the very next time your improvement will be so great that you might only need 2 hours. After a few more tests, you'll be making so few mistakes that you only need an hour to analyze mistakes and read material. At this point you have the potential to get any score you can dream of on the DAT. You want a 26AA? It is within your reach. Thoroughness is the key to this test.
 
SloppyJoe,

Re-reading your original post, I dont think your plan is going to help you better your situation. A 21/17 is a respectable score. If you want to retake the test for UOP, study your ass off and report the score.

Your plan may be seen as unethical and that could really hurt you.
 
The question of ethics has been raised, and in my huimble opinion, I don't think there is a problem at all. Bascicall, I am comfortable w/ my score everywhere, except maybe UOP and some Cali schools. With that said, I am planning to apply w/ my orginal DAT, and I think its my perogative to send the second DAT if I choose to. My situation is different since most people taking the DAT over again have to raise it or else they won't get into dental school.

I am pretty confident I can rasie my PAT score, since that was my only weak point. It just takes the pressure off if in the case i don't do as well, I don't jeopardize my application for all the other schools that would be fine w/ my current DAT. I don't think AADSA requires you to report the most current score, while I am pretty sure they ask for the most recent transcripts from all the schools you have attended.

Sxr: Thanks for your trouble, I have all the intention to do well on this test. I just wanted to minimize the risk of taking the test over again.
 
And you ask a valid question.

My suggestion would be to call AADSAS today and ask them what they think. I'm sure they can give you an answer. And if you do get an answer, please post it here on this thread as I am curious to what the answer is myself!!
 
critterbug said:
Personally, I wouldn't chance it. Your scores are good/above average, and unless your GPA is well below average, I wouldn't even THINK of taking the DAT again.

But to answer your quesitons, I think the schools will see scores for every attempt you took it, but only use the scores from the most recent exam.

Some schools average them I think.

But either way, I don't think it is good to try and "hide" your scores. I think they frown upon that.

Critterbug is right. I am a family friend of the dean of UAB's dental school and he told me personally that each school you have your DAT reported to sees each and every score and the number of attempts. He said some schools institute an 'average' of the scores (even though that is not the school's official position) and some will just use the highest score. He also said that taking the DAT more than twice is a kind of red flag to adcomms.
 
Well, I called ADA and they said if I didn't send the scores, no schools will ever see it. Although if I do send it, the new score will contain both my original DAT and also the new one.
 
SloppyJoe said:
Well, I called ADA and they said if I didn't send the scores, no schools will ever see it. Although if I do send it, the new score will contain both my original DAT and also the new one.

interesting....
 
SloppyJoe said:
Well, I called ADA and they said if I didn't send the scores, no schools will ever see it. Although if I do send it, the new score will contain both my original DAT and also the new one.

I see what your doing now ... I'm a little slow. What the ADA said makes sense ... everytime your choose to have your scores reported, all of your scores will be sent. However, they won't update anyone unless you want them to 're-report' the new DAT scores. Good luck with it. Use whatever advantage you can get.
 
Exactly, that's why I don't think its shady or unethical.
 
SloppyJoe said:
Exactly, that's why I don't think its shady or unethical.

Me either ... not reporting the second score doesn't mean that you did not take the test and get the first score too. Hope it works ... good luck.
 
SloppyJoe said:
The question of ethics has been raised, and in my huimble opinion, I don't think there is a problem at all. Bascicall, I am comfortable w/ my score everywhere, except maybe UOP and some Cali schools. With that said, I am planning to apply w/ my orginal DAT, and I think its my perogative to send the second DAT if I choose to. My situation is different since most people taking the DAT over again have to raise it or else they won't get into dental school.

I am pretty confident I can rasie my PAT score, since that was my only weak point. It just takes the pressure off if in the case i don't do as well, I don't jeopardize my application for all the other schools that would be fine w/ my current DAT. I don't think AADSA requires you to report the most current score, while I am pretty sure they ask for the most recent transcripts from all the schools you have attended.

Sxr: Thanks for your trouble, I have all the intention to do well on this test. I just wanted to minimize the risk of taking the test over again.



I have your answer for you: AADSAS did not have any of my DAT scores on the official copy of the application they sent me. This means that they do not directly communicate scores to AADSAS. From what you learned by calling the ADA, I think then disclosing your scores is purely voluntary.

Whether not showing schools your scores is right or wrong or acceptable or unacceptable would just depend on the policy of the school in question. I suppose that if a school had a policy that you must disclose all attempts on the DAT, then it would be wise to do so. If the school does not have such a policy, then perhaps you can save your $10 and allow them to evaluate you based on the performance you have already exhibited. Personally I prefer to play things safe, because of those little horror stories (true or not - I don't know) where things on some obscure application surface years later and diciplinary action gets taken.

Well, really the point of my post is that unlike the SAT where there are statistics regarding whether a person with a certain score will do better or worse in a future administration, and where a high score creates a high probability of getting a lower score, the DAT does not work that way.

Let me set up a scenario for you. You register for the test on a date say 4 weeks from now. You have the ability to reschedule upto a few days before the test, and you can cancel the test at any time. Now with your scores on the DAT, lets say you were getting 19s on Top Score (which can reflect 21s on the real test depending on the section). If during that month you start testing at 22 on your Top Score or Kaplan, you can take the test with full confidence that you will get a higher score. This is because it is not aptitude test like the SAT, but it is a set of subject tests. Dramatic improvements can be made in relatively short periods of time. If you find yourself testing at the same levels as you did before or without the improvement you want, just cancel and call it a day. I believe that you have nothing to lose.

I will not downplay the fact that retaking the test after getting a high score is not a very pleasant thing to contemplate. There's always this fear of doing worse, and this fear is greater the higher your original score is. I do think that you can give it a shot without any risk, whether or not you have to send the updated scores to schools. I say no risk, because of your option to cancel if you don't see the improvement you want. I know you lose $175, but in the larger scheme of things it isn't much.

If you hadn't mentioned UOP, I would probably tell you to just call it a day right now. I think you stand a good chance at UOP as it stands, but if you have your heart set on the school, then you should do whatever it takes to go there. Be confident and good luck.
 
Why are we having this conversation? SloppyJoe, just do better on the next DAT!!! You have a great deal of control over your DAT score. It's true you do not know the exact questions that will be asked, but you definitely know the types of questions that will be asked. My point is that you should know what score you're going to get before you ever take the DAT. Don't depend on luck. Don't plan on luck. Just go out and get the score you need!!!

Also, if there's any doubt over whether something is ethical or unethical, why even do it? The moment you begin to compromise ethics, it all goes downhill from there. I'll get off my soapbox now.
 
I didn't talk about ethics until someone raised it...........there.
 
SloppyJoe said:
I didn't talk about ethics until someone raised it...........there.

Good point. I apologize.
 
SloppyJoe said:
I didn't talk about ethics until someone raised it...........there.


My apologies as well. As I re-read your post and my first post, I realized that your intention was not to decieve anybody, and hence my suggestion that your actions may inspire distrust were unfounded. I was working under the assumption that all schools require you to voluntarily disclose all achieved DAT scores. That may not have been a valid assumption. In any case, tread carefully for your own sake.

I have no doubt that you can do better if you want to. Just read honestpredent's thread over in the DAT Discussions forums - he's right. Good luck!
 
No worries guys. I fully intend to ace the DAT! Good luck to you guys in dental school, hopefully I'll join you a year later.
 
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