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Hey guys, I'm studying for dat and QR is killing me. I watched all of chads vids. And have now moved on to math destroyer. I am not treating it as a test I'm actually doing every problem untimed.. I kid you not it is taking me 6 hours to finish a set of 40.. I'm a horrible at math. I constantly find myself looking at the back of the book to solutions. I don't think this is efficient. I feel like I need to study one type then do problems, study trig do those problems, study probability do those problems but like this nothing is happening. I've read many post and NO ONE mentions any like supplemental reading to use for QR . Everyone is just on the destroyer hype .. Does anyone know what I can use as a STUDY/ READ for QR that will lead me to do better in destroyer
 
csulapredental said:
Hey guys, I'm studying for dat and QR is killing me. I watched all of chads vids. And have now moved on to math destroyer. I am not treating it as a test I'm actually doing every problem untimed.. I kid you not it is taking me 6 hours to finish a set of 40.. I'm a horrible at math. I constantly find myself looking at the back of the book to solutions. I don't think this is efficient. I feel like I need to study one type then do problems, study trig do those problems, study probability do those problems but like this nothing is happening. I've read many post and NO ONE mentions any like supplemental reading to use for QR . Everyone is just on the destroyer hype .. Does anyone know what I can use as a STUDY/ READ for QR that will lead me to do better in destroyer
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My suggestion is not to waste your time stressing over QR. Nobody cares much about it and I've heard of people with 14 in that section still getting in. But it will hurt your AA if you get low so it's a catch. Do practice problems as much as you can. It's all just practice and using shortcuts.
 
Yeah, I also got a 15. I suck at math and had the exact same issue. I still was accepted. Just kill the science section and reading! You got this!
 
I agree with the posters above in saying that QR is the least important section, but doing well on that section will help your AA, which is important. Just keep practicing! Since you are having a hard time, try watching Khan Academy videos and go over the topics you have trouble on. And remember, it's all about practice. Keep doing Math Destroyer and DAT Bootcamp QR if you have them. Also keep in mind that strategy plays a big part in doing well on the QR section. After you get the basics down, I recommend looking at the test taking tips that Ari talks about on the DATbootcamp website. Good luck!
 
In QR, you need to use a little bit of "strategery."
On the DAT, you may start off with an easy question or 2, then they will SUCK YOU IN with something ridiculous. Identify this immediately, guess, mark, move on to the easy ones. Then go back to your marked questions. If you don't do this, you will end up missing easy questions. Remember, easy and hard questions are worth the same.
I got a 19 on QR and was happy with it using this method.

Good luck!
 
schmoob said:
In QR, you need to use a little bit of "strategery."
On the DAT, you may start off with an easy question or 2, then they will SUCK YOU IN with something ridiculous. Identify this immediately, guess, mark, move on to the easy ones. Then go back to your marked questions. If you don't do this, you will end up missing easy questions. Remember, easy and hard questions are worth the same.
I got a 19 on QR and was happy with it using this method.

Good luck!
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What did u use to study???
 
Oh my. This section! :hungover:
So I agree with the above poster. Do the easy questions, mark the hard until the end of the test then go back. Don't spend too long.
I was getting easy 15-16s on BC....lol. On the real was surprised at an 18. Really really really surprised.
 
mrsS said:
Oh my. This section! :hungover:
Do the easy questions, mark the hard until the end of the test then go back. Don't spend too long.
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I second moving through this section and if in the first 5 seconds you don't have some idea of how you're going to go about solving mark and move on.
I don't know how much time you have but magoosh (GRE online prep) has extensive math videos which will teach you the foundation you want. It's about
100 dollars though so up to you as several ppl above mentioned it didnt hurt their chances.

Otherwise switch over to Bootcamp and do all their practice sections for QR see how you do. Keep in mind actual is slightly easier than BC and much easier
than destroyer for this section. I wouldn't ignore this section but you don't have to stress out on it if you're strong everywhere else.
 
Kahn Academy is seriously amazing! I use bootcamp and go through the test untimed, and anytime I get stuck I pull up a video on Kahn and work through the problem. If you don't work through it and just instantly go to the solution, you won't really learn. You MUST go through it and try to solve it yourself. At least, that's what is working for me!
 
I'm more than willing to teach you how to do problems if you send me some lol... WHY DO PEOPLE THINK THIS SECTION IS SO HARD!!? I could probably do most of it when I was in 8th grade and I'm not a math prodigy 😡. Destroyer is reasonably representative but I think the important thing is being able to build speed and do questions without pulling out the calculator for more than 30-40% of the questions... I mean I didn't even do that well in QR I probably underperformed considering I got 24-28 on QR in almost all my practices. I want a 30 on it even though it's probably useless lol.
 
LuckBloodandSweat said:
I'm more than willing to teach you how to do problems if you send me some lol... WHY DO PEOPLE THINK THIS SECTION IS SO HARD!!? I could probably do most of it when I was in 8th grade and I'm not a math prodigy 😡. Destroyer is reasonably representative but I think the important thing is being able to build speed and do questions without pulling out the calculator for more than 30-40% of the questions... I mean I didn't even do that well in QR I probably underperformed considering I got 24-28 on QR in almost all my practices. I want a 30 on it even though it's probably useless lol.
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Lol sorry about my math rants. I'm retaking the DAT again soon and want a 30 on it xD. More importantly I have to raise that 18 in bio and I'm scared I won't raise it too much 🙁. Honestly even if I just raise my math by one point and get a 23 it's better than nothing lol. Main thing for me is confidence. I've been grinding the last 6 weeks and I already grinded 4 weeks in the winter.
 
csulapredental said:
Hey guys, I'm studying for dat and QR is killing me. I watched all of chads vids. And have now moved on to math destroyer. I am not treating it as a test I'm actually doing every problem untimed.. I kid you not it is taking me 6 hours to finish a set of 40.. I'm a horrible at math. I constantly find myself looking at the back of the book to solutions. I don't think this is efficient. I feel like I need to study one type then do problems, study trig do those problems, study probability do those problems but like this nothing is happening. I've read many post and NO ONE mentions any like supplemental reading to use for QR . Everyone is just on the destroyer hype .. Does anyone know what I can use as a STUDY/ READ for QR that will lead me to do better in destroyer
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Dont give up. Keep practicing problems. As others said QR is probably the least important part of the DAT.
 
I felt like all my studying for QR helped zip. I felt on the real thing I mostly either guessed (on the 20 i had marked), or used answer choices to check if they work out with the given info. It took a while and ended up getting a 19
 
Khan Academy and Youtube are great sources to find videos are specific topics that you need help with. If you want help on specific problems, you can post in the DAT section and others will help explain how to go about solving. You are more than welcome to pm me with any problems as well.

I did not study a lot for this section, but I was taking higher level math classes than were test. (I got a 30 QR).
 
So, I'm coming from an undergrad and career in engineering, so the QR was kind of my thing. Too bad it's the one that "doesn't matter..."

Anyway, for me, one of the keys to the QR was to find patterns in the problems. Just like the PAT only has 6 sections (keyhole, angle ranking 😡, hole punching, etc.), the QR section only asks about 6 or 7 "types" of problems. Things like rates, probabilities, log functions, etc.

Use the study material (I used Bootcamp and Chad's) to learn to recognize and categorize each type of problem. Then, once you recognize the problem type, have a prescribed method at the ready to implement setting the problem up and at least start working towards a solution.

Example: As soon as I see a problem saying "Worker A mows 3 lawns per hour and Worker B mows 4 lawns per 90 minutes" I immediately know it's a rate addition problem and I set up the problem to add up combined lawns/hour.

Or if it says "A password is made with 3 letters, then 2 numbers which cannot repeat" I know it's a probability and I start setting up probability fractions.

Or, once I see two overlapping shapes, I start looking at any method I can use to calculate the area of each.

The biggest challenge for the QR is the time limit. So training yourself with ready-to-deploy methods helps a ton. I know this flies in the face of reason, but lot's of time I couldn't "see" how to get the answer, but as I'm using a pre-determined method to set the problem up, the path to the answer becomes apparent. All that being said, there were still some that I guessed on and didn't have time to review. If I couldn't immediately see how to set the problem up, I guessed and moved on.

Last thing: I would recommend NOT using the practice tests until you have a better understanding of how to set up and solve the problems. The practice tests are an invaluable tool to gauge where you sit. Once I took a practice test, if I tried to take it again I could remember the answers and the nuances to setting the problem up; things that you need to be able to do, not have memorized.
 
csulapredental said:
Hey guys, I'm studying for dat and QR is killing me. I watched all of chads vids. And have now moved on to math destroyer. I am not treating it as a test I'm actually doing every problem untimed.. I kid you not it is taking me 6 hours to finish a set of 40.. I'm a horrible at math. I constantly find myself looking at the back of the book to solutions. I don't think this is efficient. I feel like I need to study one type then do problems, study trig do those problems, study probability do those problems but like this nothing is happening. I've read many post and NO ONE mentions any like supplemental reading to use for QR . Everyone is just on the destroyer hype .. Does anyone know what I can use as a STUDY/ READ for QR that will lead me to do better in destroyer
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I never did that well in math classes in college but I got a 21 on the QR section. I highly recommend DAT boot camp for timing. The questions I got on my actual DAT were about the difficulty level of the DAT destroyer. I thought math destroyer was almost too difficult for what was expected on the real test. I thought QR was going to kill me, but it ended up helping my AA!
 
Yea QR sucks, but you have to do decent enough on it to get a decent AA. It's good that they might take some trig and geometry out after April this year, or so they say.
 
Also, I would literally start reading the 1st page of a college algebra/trig textbook, you'd be surprised at how little of the basics people know.
 
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