DAT Retake Today and my thoughts

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Shunwei

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Well I took my DAT again today after taking the first one in late April. Here are my score comparisons:

April Test:

PAT: 20
QR: 21
RC: 19
Bio: 23
GC: 22
OC: 22
TS: 22
AA: 21

Today:

PAT: 21
QR: 25
RC: 24
Bio: 24
GC: 30
OC: 29
TS: 27
AA: 26

Sciences: Since I am a Bio Ph.D., ironically I found the Bio section to be the hardest of the three. There are a lot of questions that require a lot of extrapolation and deep understanding, so I definitely do not recommend people to just memorize stuff and expect to regurgitate it on the exam. Whenever you read something, ask yourself "Why" and "How". I also think that Destroyer helped a lot here, since I didn't have it for my first run. There are a few questions that are basically the same from destroyer, and I honestly don't think that I could have improved so much in Chem without it (and some luck as well).

RC: I had ExamKrackers 101 Passages for this, and this helped quite a bit, I believe, although the nature of the questions between the DAT and the book is very different. I personally think that this is the most difficult section to prepare, because reading is a long-term skill that cannot be cultivated in a short time. For those of you who reads proficiently, I would recommend a "reading-for-comprehension" strategy, because without understanding what you read it will be difficult to assess the tone/imply questions. However, for those of you who read slowly, I think skimming the passage for a general idea and then using the questions to take apart the passage can also be a good strategy. In any case, the most important parameter is time--make sure that you allot ~20 minutes to each passage and not risk missing out on the latter part of the section.

QR: I have always been pretty good in math, but for my second run I felt like I really benefited from Barron's SAT I Workbook. This material does a good job of reviewing the basics of the math you need to know, and also contains many practice problems. I was kind of surprised today because there weren't that many word problems as the first time, and a lot of the problems were of the brute arithmetic type.

PAT: The Crack DAT PAT program really helps here. I was kind of disappointed today because I honestly thought that I had gotten into the 24-25 range, but I am still happy with a 21. If you can do the hole-punching, angles, and cubes in that program, you shouldn't have any problems with the real thing.

Overall, I took this test again not because I was so disappointed with my first run (they are still good scores), but because I honestly know that I can do better. Given that dental schools are harder and harder to get into nowadays, I felt like standing out with my true ability would have been a good service to myself. Hope my comments help you guys out there about to take the exam.

P.S.: I have some good material to sell, so if anyone is interested PM me.
 
Thanks guys. You folks are very kind in your compliments. I am sure that there was some luck involved, and that a lot of people who put in the work and time can do it. To be honest, the only thing that I was a little disappointed over was not being able to take advantage of rounding up--I had a 26.4. But I can't say I was disappointed in my score, as that was more than enough.

could you share ur OC and GC story with us 🙂
 
Truly amazing scores. What did you think when your saw the printed out scores? Must have felt good.
 
I'd love to see you take the MCAT; you'd probably be one of the .00000000000000001% of test-takers that would get a 45. Awesome job, congratulations.
 
Today:

PAT: 21
QR: 25
RC: 24
Bio: 24
GC: 30
OC: 29
TS: 27
AA: 26

Congratulations! It looks like the Ph.D. (and hard work) is paying dividends. Since you are 1 in ~1K you can probably send your application in after X-mas and will still have adcoms scrambling to hand deliver an acceptance letter.
 
I'd love to see you take the MCAT; you'd probably be one of the .00000000000000001% of test-takers that would get a 45. Awesome job, congratulations.

There is actually no secret to the DAT. Although I have a Ph.D., in all honesty it didn't help much at all, except probably in a very abstract way of thinking--Doctorates are hyper-specialized degrees in a very narrow part of the field, so we are all specialists. My approach can really be done by just about everybody: 60 percent personal determination and work ethic, 40 percent finding the right materials. Understand what kind of questions the DAT is asking for, and tailor your study regimen to fit the need. I really think anyone can do it, which is why I made my post in the first place to encourage folks to think positively and aim for their best.

And actually, I did take the MCAT before going to grad school. I got a 42T.🙂
 
And actually, I did take the MCAT before going to grad school. I got a 42T.🙂

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I know every exam is different, but what was that considered; 99.4th percentile? The difference between a 42 and a perfect score is negligible, so I'd imagine you were over 99th percentile. You have a knack for tests, my friend!
 
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I know every exam is different, but what was that considered; 99.4th percentile? The difference between a 42 and a perfect score is negligible, so I'd imagine you were over 99th percentile. You have a knack for tests, my friend!

If I remember correctly that was a 99.9% (same as my DAT percentile this year), but that was just about 10 years ago. The score breakdown was a 14, 14, and 14. I think there is always some luck involved, and depends on how much you really want to do well. I hope my post here can inspire folks who are jittery about the DAT--you can do it, with perseverance and the right materials. Good luck to all of you.
 
Hey Shunwei,

I had a quick question. Any suggestions on review material for biotech/lab procedure stuff for the Biology section ? Currently flipping through Schaum's and it's thorough, but doesn't have lab stuff in it.
 
Hey Shunwei,

I had a quick question. Any suggestions on review material for biotech/lab procedure stuff for the Biology section ? Currently flipping through Schaum's and it's thorough, but doesn't have lab stuff in it.

That's difficult to recommend. Most of my lab skills were acquired by experience and piecemeal. Kaplan's has a nice section, I thought, on the commonly used Chemistry lab protocols, but for Bio I can't think of a good general book.
 
That's difficult to recommend. Most of my lab skills were acquired by experience and piecemeal. Kaplan's has a nice section, I thought, on the commonly used Chemistry lab protocols, but for Bio I can't think of a good general book.
I agree with Shunwei. Lab techniques are learned through hands on experience. It is somewhat odd learning a technique from pure text. My bio book from undergrad baby bio was the "Life" text and had a separate appendix for all the laboratory techniques discussed in the book. I found this tremendously helpful for the lab techniques I haven't done hands on in my undergraduate study.
 
I agree with Shunwei. Lab techniques are learned through hands on experience. It is somewhat odd learning a technique from pure text. My bio book from undergrad baby bio was the "Life" text and had a separate appendix for all the laboratory techniques discussed in the book. I found this tremendously helpful for the lab techniques I haven't done hands on in my undergraduate study.

The closest I can think of is Tom Maniatis' book, but that would be a drastic overkill. It does have most of the commonly used molecular biology protocols in there, though.
 
Yeah... figured I would have to use Wikipedia quite a bit on this. As for hands on experience, I'm not looking to replicate the experiments in any fashion, but cover baseline understanding to be able to interpret the results. A graph or visitual tool, and some theory behind the experiment worked fine for the lab techniques I learned this summer. I was fortunate with my last DAT examination in late July, because I had no bloody idea what FRAP was until to a few weeks ago.

As for the commonly used techniques, would you recommend any molecular bio/biochem techniques that might be missing from this list (or scratch any that are on the list), that would be DAT relevant ?

Western/Northern/Southern blots
Immunohistological staining
DNA sequencing
PCR / RT - PCR
Hyrbidization
Transgenic plants
Exonucleases/Endonuclease activity
Chromatography (Size exclusion, affinity,antibody)
Isoelectric focusing
Restriction enzyme digestions
Genetic engineering
FRAP
 
Yeah... figured I would have to use Wikipedia quite a bit on this. As for hands on experience, I'm not looking to replicate the experiments in any fashion, but cover baseline understanding to be able to interpret the results. A graph or visitual tool, and some theory behind the experiment worked fine for the lab techniques I learned this summer. I was fortunate with my last DAT examination in late July, because I had no bloody idea what FRAP was until to a few weeks ago.

As for the commonly used techniques, would you recommend any molecular bio/biochem techniques that might be missing from this list (or scratch any that are on the list), that would be DAT relevant ?

Western/Northern/Southern blots
Immunohistological staining
DNA sequencing
PCR / RT - PCR
Hyrbidization
Transgenic plants
Exonucleases/Endonuclease activity
Chromatography (Size exclusion, affinity,antibody)
Isoelectric focusing
Restriction enzyme digestions
Genetic engineering
FRAP

SDS-PAGE
Ionic exchange chromatography
 
Yeah... figured I would have to use Wikipedia quite a bit on this. As for hands on experience, I'm not looking to replicate the experiments in any fashion, but cover baseline understanding to be able to interpret the results. A graph or visitual tool, and some theory behind the experiment worked fine for the lab techniques I learned this summer. I was fortunate with my last DAT examination in late July, because I had no bloody idea what FRAP was until to a few weeks ago.

As for the commonly used techniques, would you recommend any molecular bio/biochem techniques that might be missing from this list (or scratch any that are on the list), that would be DAT relevant ?

Western/Northern/Southern blots
Immunohistological staining
DNA sequencing
PCR / RT - PCR
Hyrbidization
Transgenic plants
Exonucleases/Endonuclease activity
Chromatography (Size exclusion, affinity,antibody)
Isoelectric focusing
Restriction enzyme digestions
Genetic engineering
FRAP

Western blots, PCR, transgenic plants, chromatograpy, IF, genetic engineering.
 
I'm definately no pro, excuse me Phd., like Shunwei (stud), but like monsterrat I used wikipedia with some of those I was unfamiliar with. I would also include pulse-chase bc it seems that we use it all the time (or use to).
 
Thanks for the input guys.

Created an updated list for anyone else who might find it helpful. Feel free to bump it and add anything.

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Western blots
Immunohistological staining/ IF
DNA sequencing
PCR / RT - PCR
Hybridization
Transgenic plants
Exonucleases/Endonuclease activity
Chromatography (size exclusion, affinity, antibody ion exchange)
Isoelectric focusing
Restriction enzyme digestions
Genetic engineering
SDS-PAGE
FRAP
Pulse Chase experiment
 
those scores are incredible- congrats!! which package did u purchase from crack the dat
 
those scores are incredible- congrats!! which package did u purchase from crack the dat

Got the Royal Flush one. I thought that the angles and cubes extras were well worth the money. Overall, it is a practical program to train for the PAT. In all fairness I should have done better, but I am happy with a 21.
 
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