Data on Enrolled vs Accepted

[Rally]

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Reading MSAR and trying to decide which schools to apply to. It seems that stats (GPA, MCAT) for accepted students are all pretty high with a median score of 32 on MCAT. Is there data that shows scores for students that actually attend?

 

[mejorization]

US News ranking has the mean MCAT score for matriculants I believe. Schools' websites may also have this info.

 

[MedBound1]

+1

The 'averages' that schools post on their websites and MSAR pages are for the actual matriculants.

 

[Rally]

MSAR is definitely ACCEPTED

 

[MedBound1]

Yea sorry msar is accepted. Check their websites for class profiles.

 

[RedSox10]

yea sorry msar is accepted. Check their websites for class profiles.

+1

 

[Ansar]

I've seen this brought up a lot on SDN, but I still can't think of an answer 😳

Why are some people interested in matriculant data? Shouldn't the accepted data be most important to get better idea of your chances at that school? Or is there some other reason people are interested in that type of data?

 

[darkjedi]

I've seen this brought up a lot on SDN, but I still can't think of an answer 😳

Why are some people interested in matriculant data? Shouldn't the accepted data be most important to get better idea of your chances at that school? Or is there some other reason people are interested in that type of data?

Accepted stats tend to be higher than for matriculant stats because of the fact that stellar candidates will receive acceptances at multiple schools, but will only matriculate to one. I personally think accepted data is more useful as well, but some people might feel better comparing themselves to matriculant stats than accepted stats. While matriculant data is biased lower, it helps to know what the general stats are of the student body as well.

 

[kpcrew]

I've seen this brought up a lot on SDN, but I still can't think of an answer 😳

Why are some people interested in matriculant data? Shouldn't the accepted data be most important to get better idea of your chances at that school? Or is there some other reason people are interested in that type of data?

because people with higher stats tend to hold multiple acceptances. this tendency skews the accepted data upwards. so even if a school accepts people with a 3.8/36 mcat, their matriculant average might be 3.6/33 or something like that since many of those students will choose a more highly ranked school.

 

[MedBound1]

because people with higher stats tend to hold multiple acceptances. this tendency skews the accepted data upwards. so even if a school accepts people with a 3.8/36 mcat, their matriculant average might be 3.6/33 or something like that since many of those students will choose a more highly ranked school.

I agree with this. Matriculant data is useful because a lower-tier school can accept people 4.0/37 all day and have huge numbers for average students accepted, but they won't all come. By looking at the matriculant average you look at you chances of actually making it there in the end.. now given, you may sit on the wait list for awhile, but it helps give you a look at the stats of the students that actually end up attending... once the replacements are made for wait-list people after people with higher stats choose other schools.

The higher your stats, the more schools you have that fall into a 'safety' category.. and you buff their acceptance #'s by applying to them.

 

[Jaqen Hghar]

MSAR is definitely ACCEPTED

Yea sorry msar is accepted. Check their websites for class profiles.

No.No.No.

MSAR is matriculant info. It says quite plainly on the acceptance info tab: "Matriculant Data for First Year Class."

USNews gives the accepted data.

There is also a difference in the format used. MSAR uses medians, while USNews uses means.

 

[MedBound1]

No.No.No.

MSAR is matriculant info. It says quite plainly on the acceptance info tab: "Matriculant Data for First Year Class."

USNews gives the accepted data.

There is also a difference in the format used. MSAR uses medians, while USNews uses means.

I didn't actually look, I gave my MSAR away a long time ago, I just took his word for it. I know matriculant data is on the websites too, that's all I know.

 

[kpcrew]

No.No.No.

MSAR is matriculant info. It says quite plainly on the acceptance info tab: "Matriculant Data for First Year Class."

USNews gives the accepted data.

There is also a difference in the format used. MSAR uses medians, while USNews uses means.

the msar gives statistics for accepted students, not matriculants.

 

[darkjedi]

No.No.No.

MSAR is matriculant info. It says quite plainly on the acceptance info tab: "Matriculant Data for First Year Class."

USNews gives the accepted data.

There is also a difference in the format used. MSAR uses medians, while USNews uses means.

I could've sworn MSAR was accepted data as well. at least last year. Did this just change?

 

[Jaqen Hghar]

the msar gives statistics for accepted students, not matriculants.

I could've sworn MSAR was accepted data as well. at least last year. Did this just change?

I misunderstood. I was thinking about statistics for acceptances handed out. Not GPA range stats.

Yes, the MSAR gives data for the accepted data on GPAs.

 

[Rally]

Reading MSAR and trying to decide which schools to apply to. It seems that stats (GPA, MCAT) for accepted students are all pretty high with a median score of 32 on MCAT. Is there data that shows scores for students that actually attend?

so... does anybody have this data?

 

[kpcrew]

so... does anybody have this data?

https://www.aamc.org/students/applying/requirements/msar/