Data on what percent of med students went to top 25 undergrads?

[TheBiologist]

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curious about how many students enrolled in medical school went to top 25 undergrads.

any ball park guesses if there is no official data?

 

[CherryRedDracul]

I went to a good state school but not a top 25.

 

[group_theory]

curious about how many students enrolled in medical school went to top 25 undergrads.

any ball park guesses if there is no official data?

Table A-2: Undergraduate Institutions Supplying Applicants to U.S. Medical Schools by Applicant Race and Ethnicity, 2017-2018 - Applicants and Matriculants Data - FACTS: Applicants, Matriculants, Enrollment, Graduates, MD/PhD, and Residency Applicants Data - Data and Analysis - AAMC

 

[AllBleedingStops]

Top 25 varies by source and year. Every premed seems to be obsessed with top schools, both in undergrad and for med school.

 

[allantois]

I bet most didn’t go to top 25 for undergrad

 

[riverrunner]

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Couldn't find:
UChicago
Caltech
Dartmouth
Notre Dame
Georgetown

Rest should check out. Used the tables cited above. Admit stats are a mix, but all are at least from 2014 on. Looks like roughly 20-25% of matriculants come from a top 25 undergrad.

Fascinating! Those are top 25 Research Universities. I wonder how applicants from top 25 Liberal Arts Colleges fare?

 

[Lucca]

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This is the full list except for Caltech. Around 24% from top 25.

interesting that the majority have >=80% acceptance rates.

 

[solitarius]

Not interesting at all. Self selection and institutional filtering.

 

[Lucca]

Not interesting at all. Self selection and institutional filtering.

What does that second term mean?

 

[deleted938090]

Presumably means the institution would strongly advise candidate not to apply, or deny their right to apply with a letter of support if they don't meet certain academic benchmarks.

 

[dodolol21]

Man I cant even lie tho at my Top 20 IIs its like alllll the interviewees come from fancy undergrads lol

 

[freedoctor17]

Man I cant even lie tho at my Top 20 IIs its like alllll the interviewees come from fancy undergrads lol

I know what you mean. I didn't go to a bad school by any means but it's not any of those widely recognized schools and it's always fun when introducing yourself at the interview and no one knows your school lol.

 

[efle]

Man I cant even lie tho at my Top 20 IIs its like alllll the interviewees come from fancy undergrads lol

I know what you mean. I didn't go to a bad school by any means but it's not any of those widely recognized schools and it's always fun when introducing yourself at the interview and no one knows your school lol.

I can back this experience up with some data.

For anyone curious how the proportions look at interview days for a very competitive private MD school:

These "top xx" bins include both LACs and universities and are for last year. Top 25 provided 66% of interviewed students.

 

[dodolol21]

I can back this experience up with some data.

For anyone curious how the proportions look at interview days for a very competitive private MD school:

These "top xx" bins include both LACs and universities and are for last year. Top 25 provided 66% of interviewed students.

Is this data only from your school? Do you think coming a school ranked 50 is even slightly advantageous versus coming from a school ranked around 200?

 

[efle]

Is this data only from your school? Do you think coming a school ranked 50 is even slightly advantageous versus coming from a school ranked around 200?

Yeah this is internal data for one admissions cycle at one med school. I doubt there's any advantage.

 

[DokterMom]

Is this data only from your school? Do you think coming a school ranked 50 is even slightly advantageous versus coming from a school ranked around 200?

Yes, absolutely. There are a large number of well-respected schools ranked between 20-50 (OK 30 of them) -- But institutional rigor is a consideration and doing well at an unranked or low-rank school is not going to look as good as doing well from a well-respected school. Of course, it's better than NOT doing well...

Bottom line for undergrad, pick the best school you can succeed at that won't leave you crippled by debt. If finances are really tight, try two years at a CC, transfer to a public 4-year and plan on a gap year so you'll have two full-strength 4-year college years under your belt when you apply.

 

[dodolol21]

Yes, absolutely. There are a large number of well-respected schools ranked between 20-50 (OK 30 of them) -- But institutional rigor is a consideration and doing well at an unranked or low-rank school is not going to look as good as doing well from a well-respected school. Of course, it's better than NOT doing well...

Bottom line for undergrad, pick the best school you can succeed at that won't leave you crippled by debt. If finances are really tight, try two years at a CC, transfer to a public 4-year and plan on a gap year so you'll have two full-strength 4-year college years under your belt when you apply.

So do you think that coming from UT could yield more top 20 interviews than coming from UH given the exact same app? (texas)

 

[DokterMom]

So do you think that coming from UT could yield more top 20 interviews than coming from UH given the exact same app? (texas)

It wouldn't be the exact same app. The competition at UT is known to be much more rigorous.

 

[ExcitatorySynapse]

Yes, absolutely. There are a large number of well-respected schools ranked between 20-50 (OK 30 of them) -- But institutional rigor is a consideration and doing well at an unranked or low-rank school is not going to look as good as doing well from a well-respected school. Of course, it's better than NOT doing well...

Bottom line for undergrad, pick the best school you can succeed at that won't leave you crippled by debt. If finances are really tight, try two years at a CC, transfer to a public 4-year and plan on a gap year so you'll have two full-strength 4-year college years under your belt when you apply.

What is defined as "doing well" at a 'top' school - 3.8+? 3.9+? Just wondering what looks good vs what doesn't. IME everyone there is really smart so As/A-s etc. all get decided by fine margins.

 

[DokterMom]

What is defined as "doing well" at a 'top' school - 3.8+? 3.9+? Just wondering what looks good vs what doesn't. IME everyone there is really smart so As/A-s etc. all get decided by fine margins.

I'd say 3.6 is 'good enough' to need no excuses.

 

[ExcitatorySynapse]

I'd say 3.6 is 'good enough' to need no excuses.

Okay, I feel better about my 3.75 now. My premed advisor trashed my 3.83 when I wasn't going to take a gap year and said the 3.75 was fine when I decided I would, so I never knew what was good or not. I know it's not even 10th percentile at some of the places likely to fund me for MD/PhD as Canadian, but maybe I will get some slack with my MCAT (521).
It sounds like an excuse but I was severely depressed throughout college, which manifested for me as a total lack of energy, and without a caring PCP who finally got me to see a psychiatrist, I probably would have still never taken the MCAT. I didn't have it in me to press past an A- (my default standing), and the one term I started feeling well, I took many classes since I had constantly dropped prereqs to get everything in before graduation.

 

[Lucca]

I can back this experience up with some data.

For anyone curious how the proportions look at interview days for a very competitive private MD school:

These "top xx" bins include both LACs and universities and are for last year. Top 25 provided 66% of interviewed students.

At my first MSTP II (t10) 80% were from t10 UGs lol. Maybe it was an odd day, we’ll see how the rest of the trail goes.

 

[tanbrucewayne]

At my first MSTP II (t10) 80% were from t10 UGs lol. Maybe it was an odd day, we’ll see how the rest of the trail goes.

So far most of my interview groups have been like that + Berkeley, UCLA, and Michigan lol