Dealing with the medical hierarchy system

[orangeblue]

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I had to volunteer at a clinic //hospital the senior resident / my immediate supervisor behaved in an unprofessional / unethical way towards me. I was upset about it and was able to report it, but I realize that I had more leverage since this person wasn't grading me etc as in med school. I realize that maybe in med school if such situation were to ever happen, i would have to be on my guard since this option wouldn't be avaliable or would have very significant adverse consequences towards me.
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I realize that I should never ever let my guard down and remain professionally assertive and to not ever 'take up offers for 'socialization/informal quasi-business meetings', no matter how friendly the person seems esp. if they are above me or in a position of authority where they can impact my career/my future in some way. I also realize that there is a fair bit of 'snooty' people out there, who are abusive etc-maybe it's a function of them going through a long ardous process and certainly someone who is just starting off isnt worth much in their eyes and easy to be manipulated...

 

[FrkyBgStok]

what are you talking about?

my work in the hospital has shown me one very important fact. respect the hierarchy system no matter how much you may disagree with it, especially if you are near the bottom. i have seen people fired because of personality clashes between CNAs and other "worthless peons" but i see many MANY people fired because of people above them. and you have no idea how deep the hospital ties are. i am a transporter (the lowest of the low) and one of my best friends in high school's mother is an admin. this shows that crapping on the wrong person can have lifelong and drastic effects.

this is how it is.

 

[drizzt3117]

As a medical student, your role in the system might seem pretty undefined, but your real job is to learn. Help the team as much as you can but you really dont have that much of a role in pt care in many cases, so just keep it in mind that people are trying to do their job, just try not to make it harder.

 

[Doctor246853]

what are you talking about?

my work in the hospital has shown me one very important fact. respect the hierarchy system no matter how much you may disagree with it, especially if you are near the bottom. i have seen people fired because of personality clashes between CNAs and other "worthless peons" but i see many MANY people fired because of people above them. and you have no idea how deep the hospital ties are. i am a transporter (the lowest of the low) and one of my best friends in high school's mother is an admin. this shows that crapping on the wrong person can have lifelong and drastic effects.

this is how it is.

This. Im an orderly and this system is depressing.

 

[orangeblue]

The hierarchy I understand and respect. However, the supervisor ( a high up in the medical chain and very well-esteemed) was making sexually suggestive remarks and didn't treat me ethically/fairly and make it clear; when I (very casually and naively) did not return his advances.


I was able to report this because i wasn't technically working for this person, and there were no immediate consequences ( i wasn't a med student and needed evals from this person etc), but I know that this is something I couldn't do as a med student. So stay away and put on an assertive polite but business persona when at work...so that such conflicts/situations don't advance.

 

[Perrotfish]

1) as a medical student the absolute maximum amount of time you spend with a resident is 4 weeks (the norm is closet to two) and during that time chances are you'll have multiple people evaluating you. Also your administration is probably having someone you can call to report personal issues, and they're not going to publicize your name or give your resident a chance to evaluate you. If you have a personal problem you're not going to sink your career by reporting it. You don't have to put up with harassment.

2). In the scenario you mentioned I hope you said something to the resident himself to try to clear up whatever was going on before you spoke to his superiors. I know you have every right to work without being harassed, but as a guy I have the creeping horrors of getting all the way to chief resident and then watching my career end because I said something stupid.

 

[okal]

2). In the scenario you mentioned I hope you said something to the resident himself to try to clear up whatever was going on before you spoke to his superiors. I know you have every right to work without being harassed, but as a guy I have the creeping horrors of getting all the way to chief resident and then watching my career end because I said something stupid.

My old boss was fired because one of him employees accused him of sexual harassment once. It was just a claim with no evidence or history and he was fired the same day. He had been a professor and director of my department for 27 years: well respected by students, but disliked by some administrators. Three days later the girl, in tears, admitted that she was just pissed off over a disagreement and felt guilty about it. She was fired, but my boss was never given an apology or an offer to come back to work.

Sexual harassment allegations can do a lot of damage. I'm very afraid of them too.

 

[drizzt3117]

Seems like that has lawsuit written all over it. Most institutions do a thorough investigation specifically to avoid stuff like this.

My old boss was fired because one of him employees accused him of sexual harassment once. It was just a claim with no evidence or history and he was fired the same day. He had been a professor and director of my department for 27 years: well respected by students, but disliked by some administrators. Three days later the girl, in tears, admitted that she was just pissed off over a disagreement and felt guilty about it. She was fired, but my boss was never given an apology or an offer to come back to work.

Sexual harassment allegations can do a lot of damage. I'm very afraid of them too.

 

[Adaggiote]

what are you talking about?

My work in the hospital has shown me one very important fact. Respect the hierarchy system no matter how much you may disagree with it, especially if you are near the bottom. I have seen people fired because of personality clashes between cnas and other "worthless peons" but i see many many people fired because of people above them. And you have no idea how deep the hospital ties are. I am a transporter (the lowest of the low) and one of my best friends in high school's mother is an admin. This shows that crapping on the wrong person can have lifelong and drastic effects.

This is how it is.

nice!!