Dentistry Vs. Pharmacy??

Not to be a dick, but...common sense...maybe?

Treating patients...dentistry. (Yes I understand you consult with physicians and their patients, I understand that, I am one of the few who understand you do much, much more than just "count pills.").

Salary.....dentistry, when comparing the large majority of each group. Of course there will be others in pharmacy that don't work in retail or in a hospital and work for a business/company/health insurance plan that can make more and there can be associate dentists and that make less (even though they seem to make around 100K almost right away). I would still have to say the vast majority of dentists make more than pharmacists now and in the future.

And autonomy... again dentistry, considering most dentists own their own practices as compared to most pharmacists who work for someone else. I also understand pharmacists can own their own pharmacy, but comparatively speaking, I don't think that % would approach the % of private practice dentists.

If I'm wrong on any of these issues, feel free to correct me and I will happily concede my points.

Those weren't any of the points I was arguing, and I tend to agree with them. I disagree with these statements:

- Pharmacy is the easiest way to a good salary
- Dentistry has a better outlook in terms of being a "doc"

The first point: pharmacy school may be easier for some, dental school may be easier for some. Depends on who you are, how you learn and what you expect to get out of your education. There is no point comparing two completely different educational paths.

Second point: If you want something with a better outlook in terms of being a "doc", then go to medical school. Nobody thinks their dentist is an internist, just like no one thinks their pharmacist is a pediatrician. Dentistry may be much more "hands on" than most pharmacy practices, but a dentist is no more a "doc" (in the physician sense) than a pharmacist.

NB: I'm not bashing any professions. I have great respect for dentists and what they do. I agree with most of the points made above (I'm not getting into the salary debate, it's pointless). I just don't like when people start comparing apples to oranges or insinuating that pharmacy is an easier path.
 
Since you asked the previous poster about where he got his facts from, it wouldn't be good to argue your point with "guesstimates". Dentists tend to have a low stress level, unless they own their own practice, then that's the stress of running a business. If you are just a dentist working in an office, then many of them work 4 days each week, regular hours. That can be about 36 hours a week, which sounds low stress to me. And I have a very hard time believing that a financial advisor with a bachelor's degree makes as much as a dentist. In these cases, I would say the 4 day week dentist has it better than the financial advisor.

I have 3 people in my immediate family who have worked in medicine, one as a dentist. Those of you who think it's an "average" job, with "average" hours and awesome pay are in for a surprise when you begin your career.
 
Agreed. Better yet, ask yourself would you trust your entire life savings of millions to your friend for a 3 percent commission? It is common sense and from my experience, most people who talks about their income are usually talking out from their ass.

Finding a person's value is very simple and just ask yourself... would you. If you wouldnt, any smart person (Madoff might be the only exception but even he has more qualifications than a Bachelors) sure wouldnt.
 
You still have time to think about it, you are only just beginning your Junior year of High School. Both professions are different. Just go with what you want.
 
I have 3 people in my immediate family who have worked in medicine, one as a dentist. Those of you who think it's an "average" job, with "average" hours and awesome pay are in for a surprise when you begin your career.

I didn't say that it would be the average job with great pay once I start. It probably will be hard starting, but that is with many jobs. I am saying that it is a good job to have, though. The hours should become regular with experience, and pay compliments it well also.
 
Agreed. Better yet, ask yourself would you trust your entire life savings of millions to your friend for a 3 percent commission? It is common sense and from my experience, most people who talks about their income are usually talking out from their ass.

My friend never talks about his income, he's very humble. I'm just guestimating because of the community he lives in and the things he owns.
 
I didn't say that it would be the average job with great pay once I start. It probably will be hard starting, but that is with many jobs. I am saying that it is a good job to have, though. The hours should become regular with experience, and pay compliments it well also.

I too never said it was a terrible job to have. It's a great job but the OP view of the career is a fantasyland and if that is what he's looking for there are plenty of other careers he could go into that take less schooling and provide a similar lifestyle. He seems to only be concerned with the lifestyle, look at the first post.
 
Lol ok. Back to square one. I'll try to find a good career that appeals to me like dentistry but only better pay and less stress and and see what I come up with😎
 
Where are you getting these numbers? Anything you get from a magazine or the internet doesn't normally tell the whole story. For example, I know my dentist works about 50 hours a week in his office. He probably has emergency situations with his patients on occasion that require him to put more hours in. His office is always extremely busy when I go and he's aged a lot over the last couple of years (probably from the stress). On the other hand, I know a financial advisor who probably brings in at least 250k (guestimating on his lifestyle). He leaves home every morning at around 9:30 and is home sometimes as early as 4:30. His stress levels are probably much lower than my dentist. Yes, the dentist probably brings in about the same but combined with the amount of hours, stress, etc. My friend only has a bachelors degree. He doesn't have to worry about 100K+ in loans. The lifestyle is different, regardless of the data any source has collected.

Anecdotal evidence is helpful in considering the whole picture, but one cannot determine the big picture based on anecdotal evidence alone.

The dentist you cite as working 50 hours per week does not represent the average dentist. How do I know? I know based on both the best statistical data available and anecdotal evidence.

Bureau of Labor Statistics:

Most full-time dentists work between 35 and 40 hours a week.
American Dental Association:

The average work week of dentists in private practice is just under 40 hours, and dentists in private practice have a high degree of control over their work hours.


About 88 percent of all dentists practice less than 40 hours a week, seeing an average of 83 patients per week.


Blair/McGill Consulting:

The average hours per week spent in practice for all specialties combined: 37.2.
The Wealthy Dentist:

The average dentist in this survey reports working 35 hours a week over average of five days.
Anecdotal Evidence.

I know 3 dentists and 4 dental specialists in my area. Not one of them works over 45 hours per week. Three of them are open no more than 30 hours, or 3.5 days, per week. Of these three, two are making more than $350k on this sub 30-hour workweek.

Based on numerous informal surveys on Dentaltown, the majority report spending 3-5 days in practice (the average being four), with some reporting only 2 days per week.

Numerous posters on student doctor, some of whom are moderators, have reported their jobs as dentists/specialists working an average of 3-5 days per week. A couple of moderators have reported their first jobs straight out of residency as dental specialists with sub 30-hour workweeks and $200k+ salaries.

Most classified advertisements for salaried dentists/specialists report working hours of not more than 40 hours per week.

You did well in quoting financial advising as it is one of the most lifestyle-friendly business jobs available. However, there are many financial advisers working 40 hours per week making $30k.

The difference between dentistry and financial advising is that the number of dentists nationwide is strictly controlled by the dental labor union, otherwise known as the ADA. One of the ADA's jobs is to prevent a saturation of dentists nationwide.

The number of financial advisers nationwide, on the other hand, is only limited by the amount of people wanting to go into financial advising.

I also wouldn't consider financial advisers to be the "top dogs" I was referring to earlier. These would be chief officers of corporations, investment bankers at prestigious firms or other comparable careers.

Financial advising is saturated nationwide and only those with the best jobs make good salaries. These good jobs are highly coveted, and one who is making $250k one year could be booted a few years later, depending on the market.

When I speak of averages, I speak based on statistical evidence nationally. So it is understandable and not that surprising to hear one person say dentistry isn't that great of a career. That is an entirely possible reality depending on location and experience.

A few broad generalizations based on both statistical data and anecdotal evidence:

Dentistry in NY and Southern California is very heavily saturated.

Dentistry in urban areas is much more heavily saturated than dentistry in suburban and rural areas.

It does not make much sense to go into dentistry in many urban areas. It is a highly possible reality for a dentist to accumulate $300k in debt at a dental school such as NYU, practice as a salaried dentist in NYC and make $100k or less, while working 40-50 hour weeks and struggling with a high cost of living and debt.

If you plan to live in a saturated urban area, money-wise it is probably a better idea to go into a business-related field. Pharmacy may even be a better choice.
 
Lol ok. Back to square one. I'll try to find a good career that appeals to me like dentistry but only better pay and less stress and and see what I come up with😎

You shouldn't base what career you want to go into based on salary, you'll end up miserable. If you truly are interested in dentistry, then work hard and become a dentist.
 
Yea yea. I didn't mean it like that lol. I would like a job that I enjoy, but also pays well so that I can take my family on nice vacations and such. I was referring to you saying that there are plenty of other careers with less stress and higher pay and possibly better hours. So I'm going to try to find one of those jobs that you are talking about even though I will probably fail 😛.
 
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Yea yea. I didn't mean it like that lol. I would like a job that I enjoy, but also pays well so that I can take my family on nice vacations and such. I was referring to you saying that there are plenty of other careers with less stress and higher pay and possibly better hours. So I'm going to try to find one of those jobs that you are talking about even though I will probably fail 😛.

I predict you will be a dentist that has a vanity license plate based on this post.
 
Wrong prediction 😎. I'll worry about that after I graduate. And I don't want to limit my expectations to dentist.
 
I agree with you on your first point. My wife (a pharmacist) continually reminds me why she is glad she chose pharmacy over other professions. She feels sorry for me at times lloking at my schedule in dental school. The way she thinks, pharmacy was suited for her. I remind her why dentistry is for me and why I am glad I never went to pharmacy school. I hated pharmacology I and am dreading pharmocology II. The first one kicked my butt. I cannot imagine having to go through 4 years of pharmacy courses. It would kick my butt. Point is - I agree that you cannot say pharmacy school is easier than dental school. It really depends on the individual. What is easy for one may very well be difficult for another.

I DO NOT agree with you on your second point. Now, if being a healthcare professional where you are able to make major life altering decisions for patients on a regular basis is what you desire, then yes, become a physician. But, if you really want to compare the two professions (dentistry and pharmacy) in terms of which profession is more like a 'doc', then dentistry clearly has it. Now, no one is going to consider a dentist as an internist, but most people are also ignorant to what a dentist really does and what they are qualified to do just as most people are ignorant about the duties of a pharmacist. No one is gong to compare a pharmacist to a pediatrician either.

Here are the reasons I disagree. First of all, do you realize that the number one single reason for children missing school and adults missing work is actually dental pain. it is not the flu. It is not having a cold. It is dental pain. Dentists have the ability to treat their patients and help them to heal. Pharmacists cannot treat patients in any manner comparable to this. Pharmacists can alter coumadin levels and insulin levels for patients, but they aren't healing. They are chemically altering levels which another individual prescribed. Secondly, do you realize that in some states dentists can legally admit patients in hospitals if necessary for dental related issues that are severe enough to merit around the clock treatment? Pharmacists cannot do this. Thirdly, do pharmacists perform surgeries? Dentists do. Now, they are minor, but they are classified as surgeries. Every day dentists do put people at risk of having a cardiovascular event due to administering anesthesia. Do pharmacists do this? I do not want to get into a pissing match over this because I have the utmost respect for pharmacists since my wife is one. I actually defend the profession of pharmacy when individuals claim all pharmacists do is count pills. Unfortunately, there are pharmacy students who I have caught thinking this. There is so much more to what a pharmacist does. But, for you to think that a dentist is no more of a 'doc' (in a physician sense) than a pharmacist is wrong. We do may things that actively treat and heal patientsow. Pharmacists don't except by way of couseling and altering med levels that other practioners have prescribed. Pharmacists are VERY IMPORTANT members of the healthcare team, but they aren't the healers that a dentist can be (if you are trying to compare the two professions to how they compare to physicians.)

Those weren't any of the points I was arguing, and I tend to agree with them. I disagree with these statements:

- Pharmacy is the easiest way to a good salary
- Dentistry has a better outlook in terms of being a "doc"

The first point: pharmacy school may be easier for some, dental school may be easier for some. Depends on who you are, how you learn and what you expect to get out of your education. There is no point comparing two completely different educational paths.

Second point: If you want something with a better outlook in terms of being a "doc", then go to medical school. Nobody thinks their dentist is an internist, just like no one thinks their pharmacist is a pediatrician. Dentistry may be much more "hands on" than most pharmacy practices, but a dentist is no more a "doc" (in the physician sense) than a pharmacist.

NB: I'm not bashing any professions. I have great respect for dentists and what they do. I agree with most of the points made above (I'm not getting into the salary debate, it's pointless). I just don't like when people start comparing apples to oranges or insinuating that pharmacy is an easier path.
 
I dont think anybody is trying to start a bashing match here which is a good thing. I believe both sides have a valid point. Dentists are definitely diagnostician and a very specialized profession at that. Priz is also right in that both dont comes close to being an internalist and I agree on that also. My point of view is that it is two different professions and comparing them is comparing oranges to apples. For example, I am pretty sure a PA would out diagnosis me but I can kick his butt in terms of pharmacology. I think that point of view is valid for dentistry also.

Am I limited to pharmacology only? No. It is our bread and butter but our view of pharmacology is different from yours. For example, besides evidence based medicine, we also have to consider utilization and economics of it. Also, while most diagnosticians are great at biostatistics, I truly believe that our training is comparably better. Drug information is so big that we have a residency based on it. We are so used to the bull**** that drug companies give us that we already know how they are going to fudge the numbers.
 
I would have to agree that Dental school is a little bit harder. Like any other professional school, it is not the material, but the volume that is hard. However, since dental students also has the extra labs to deal with, I can agree that their school is harder.
 
I DO NOT agree with you on your second point. Now, if being a healthcare professional where you are able to make major life altering decisions for patients on a regular basis is what you desire, then yes, become a physician. But, if you really want to compare the two professions (dentistry and pharmacy) in terms of which profession is more like a 'doc', then dentistry clearly has it. Now, no one is going to consider a dentist as an internist, but most people are also ignorant to what a dentist really does and what they are qualified to do just as most people are ignorant about the duties of a pharmacist. No one is gong to compare a pharmacist to a pediatrician either.

Here are the reasons I disagree. First of all, do you realize that the number one single reason for children missing school and adults missing work is actually dental pain. it is not the flu. It is not having a cold. It is dental pain. Dentists have the ability to treat their patients and help them to heal. Pharmacists cannot treat patients in any manner comparable to this. Pharmacists can alter coumadin levels and insulin levels for patients, but they aren't healing. They are chemically altering levels which another individual prescribed. Secondly, do you realize that in some states dentists can legally admit patients in hospitals if necessary for dental related issues that are severe enough to merit around the clock treatment? Pharmacists cannot do this. Thirdly, do pharmacists perform surgeries? Dentists do. Now, they are minor, but they are classified as surgeries. Every day dentists do put people at risk of having a cardiovascular event due to administering anesthesia. Do pharmacists do this? I do not want to get into a pissing match over this because I have the utmost respect for pharmacists since my wife is one. I actually defend the profession of pharmacy when individuals claim all pharmacists do is count pills. Unfortunately, there are pharmacy students who I have caught thinking this. There is so much more to what a pharmacist does. But, for you to think that a dentist is no more of a 'doc' (in a physician sense) than a pharmacist is wrong. We do may things that actively treat and heal patientsow. Pharmacists don't except by way of couseling and altering med levels that other practioners have prescribed. Pharmacists are VERY IMPORTANT members of the healthcare team, but they aren't the healers that a dentist can be (if you are trying to compare the two professions to how they compare to physicians.)

I'd say this is fair, for the most part. I'll cede 75% of the point 🙂

Here is the reason I'm not giving up the other 25%:

Pharmacists are the most easily accessible healthcare resource to the lay public. We are asked for advice constantly, for issues that span all sorts of medical fields. Two examples for me, specifically, in the last month at a CVS: "I'm having trouble explaining death to my autistic son, can you help?" and "I'm allergic to Diflucan, and I just broke out in hives after I used Monistat-7. Is that common?" Sure, these are a bit extreme, but they do happen. And while we're not necessarily diagnosing or treating a problem (I wouldn't touch that autism question with a ten-foot pole), we are providing people with valid and useful medical advice without any question.

The next point is somewhat more esoteric. Pharmacists in certain areas are allowed to diagnose and treat, similar to what Midlevels have. The two places I can think of off the top of my head are the VA and North Carolina. Both require additional training (not sure if its called a residency, but it's about the same length) to reach that level. But, it is possible as a pharmacist.

Again, for the most part, I agree with you. There is no comparison between the amount of "treating" the patient you would do as a dentist versus what you do as a pharmacist. Anyone who says otherwise is a fool. I'm very glad that you're able to see beyond the spatula and the tray.
 
I like the idea of having Fridays off. I thought about pharmacy school but didn't want to get stuck with a 9-5 job and not having my own business. I really enjoy the subject matter that you learn in pharmacy school, but i dont think I could do the job. One of my best friends dad is a pharmacy and hates it for the reasons I think I would hate it. (Yes, I know, you can always find someone in each profession that hates his/her job). I really enjoy the ability to actually get to know patients and family and hopefully raise their self esteem is they are nervous about their teeth because a lot of people are.

In the end, it really is up to you. I have spent a LONG time deciding what the best career was for me and I asked a bunch of people, but it really comes down to what you want to do and why. It sucks when you can't decide, but when you finally figure out, it feels a lot better to be able to understand why you chose what you chose.
 
Ok, I am a Junior in High School, and I definitely want to do something in Health. I thought about being a dentist, but I hear there is a mountain load of stress, plus there's overehead if you go the business route. I want to have plenty of free time aside from what I do for my life, my family, and ME time. I also considered pharmacy because it seems like not bad pay, and it odesnt seem hard to get into Pharm school, and you just work 9-5 unless you work at someplace like GlaxoSmithKline or whatever. That would probably provide free time, but I like the idea of dentistry, even though it's teeth, that doesn't bother me, it's the other vices/stress that come along with it. As you can see, I'm leaning toward dentistry, but I just dont want to get sued 3 times a week, or not be able to keep up with the overhead. I've always been a bit of an entrepreneur. I want to be able to buy an EXTREMELY nice home(MTV Teen Cribs😀) and LUXURY cars, and buy, and eat WHAT I want, WHEN I want, and take myself or myself or family on a vacation ANYWHERE I want, WHEN I want. I've always liked going to the dentist, and I like the offices, and what goes on.


I know I'm rambling, but I really want dentistry and I don't want to be driven to the point of suicide.:laugh:



Let me put it this wayfor you.

You can count a cocktail of drugs for an aids patient as a pharmacist and not get aids.

or

You can drill on a aids patients tooth as a dentist and have all that blood splatter come up in your face and cover your body.


Thats probably why we get paid a little more than pharmacists... and thats where some of the stress comes in to plan
 
This is coming from a co-worker of my mother's who's daughter went into dentistry. She said she has a hard time paying for dentistry school expenses and the fact that you only make money as a dentist in private practice.

Her husband had to help her buy equipment and now with the economy, the debt is piling up and their in danger of going bankrupt. This is added to the already accumulating debt from dentistry school.

And don't just think, I can work for a big chain. Companies like Monarch and Apple that do contract work pay their employees substantially less. Often times, much less than 100,000K for general dentists.

So if you want stability, go pharmacy. You're making at least 95,000+ and depending on where you live, you could make more. Then if you act as a substitute for pharmacists, you make even more money. Then there are other fields, like pharmaceuticals, pharmacology, pharmacy writing, pharmacy reps, etc. There IS room for expansion for pharmacists. Don't let people trick you into thinking you're just counting pills. Hell, you really don't count the pills yourself. They have machines and pharm. techs to do that. So shadow a pharmacist. You'll never know what you're missing until you find out for yourself.
 
Oh yeah, and for the guy who thought pharmacy school is easy to get into, sadly you're mistaken. Its not medical school competitive, but I would put it at a close second. Dentistry is about the same as Pharmacy.

But truth be told, any graduate school is difficult to get into. Don't expect a cake-walk. That's for sociology majors 😛
 
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