Deplin (l-methylfolate)

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Has anyone seen or used this as an adjunct? Apparently, it's rx-only, and is currently classified as a medical food. I had read the older studies on folate metabolism being related to neurotransmitter synthesis dysfunction, but this product claims to be bioequivalent to 75 tablets of 800mcg folic acid tablets. They report that it's the form of folic acid that crosses the BBB.

Also thinking about this and pernicious anemia patients.

Interesting, if nothing else. I wonder is Medicaid pays for it.

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Looks good, wonder why it is Rx only ? Never used or heard of it till now.
 
I think part of it is marketing...I believe there is research showing that a patient is both more likely to take a prescription medication, and a doctor is more likely to write a prescription than to simply suggest a patient take a particular supplement.

The nice thing is that since it is at least partially reviewed by the FDA, the formulation and strength should be relatively consistent, as should the active and in active ingredients.

I cringe when patients tell me they're taking "a bunch of supplements" from GNC or some hippie health food store.
 
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Anyone have recent clinical experience with this medication?

I saw a patient not too long ago that was taking Deplin and I had to admit I knew nothing about it. From what I've been reading it would only be clinically indicated for patients with certain genetic polymorphisms which reduce the function of the MTHFR enzyme. Except for the more severe variants, there is apparently no diagnostic sign nor lab test that can easily detect this deficiency, although it can be determined by genetic testing. However, this is not inexpensive and I haven't found any indications that insurance plans will pay for the genetic test with regard to refractive depression. Furthermore, from looking at formularies, it appears that this medication is not widely covered under pharmaceutical benefits for most insurance plans, so most patients would need to pay OoP for this med.

Has anyone seen enough success with this med. for it to be considered a reasonable option for patients, particularly those that have failed first and second line treatments?
 
I haven't used it because on my antidepressant algorithm that I developed on my own by reading several articles, It's too low on the list to the point where I had to use it.

E.g. if a patient is depressed I got plenty of augmentation choices with more data supporting it that are cheaper.

E.g. fish oil, Buspirone, Wellbutrin (added to an SSRI), an SSRI (added to a non-SSRI), an SNRI, Trazodone, Lamictal, etc.

Not that I'm against Deplin, just that if I got $4 a month Buspirone and I see STAR*D data backing it up, I'm going with that first. Then there's $4 Wellbutrin, $10 Lamictal, $4 Trazodone, etc.

I will consider using Deplin as a possibility, but if I'm in a situation where I got to take a shot in the dark, I'm going to choose the cheapest one with the most amount of data first.
 
I haven't used it because on my antidepressant algorithm that I developed on my own by reading several articles, It's too low on the list to the point where I had to use it.

E.g. if a patient is depressed I got plenty of augmentation choices with more data supporting it that are cheaper.

E.g. fish oil, Buspirone, Wellbutrin (added to an SSRI), an SSRI (added to a non-SSRI), an SNRI, Trazodone, Lamictal, etc.

Not that I'm against Deplin, just that if I got $4 a month Buspirone and I see STAR*D data backing it up, I'm going with that first. Then there's $4 Wellbutrin, $10 Lamictal, $4 Trazodone, etc.

I will consider using Deplin as a possibility, but if I'm in a situation where I got to take a shot in the dark, I'm going to choose the cheapest one with the most amount of data first.
Makes sense to me.
 
Is there generic l methyl folate... I wonder if it works as well as Deplin.
 
I've seen encouraging results in the small number of patients with whom I've used Deplin. I agree, though, there are other cheaper and better researched augmentation choices. I've used it in patients who want a "non-medication" adjunct to their antidepressant and have already tried omega-3s.
 
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I've seen encouraging results in the small number of patients with whom I've used Deplin. I agree, though, there are other cheaper and better researched augmentation choices than. I've used it in patients who want a "non-medication" adjunct to their antidepressant and have already tried omega-3s.

When we're talking about Omega-3 for depression, is there a specific formulation/brand people prescribe?
 
When we're talking about Omega-3 for depression, is there a specific formulation/brand people prescribe?

I like the Nordic Naturals brand and recommend it to patients. It is on the expensive side, but it's a good product. I recommend the Ultimate Omega formulation if they can afford it. Typically, 2 - 4 grams/day (or more for some patients) for depression augmentation.
 
Anyone have recent clinical experience with this medication?

I saw a patient not too long ago that was taking Deplin and I had to admit I knew nothing about it. From what I've been reading it would only be clinically indicated for patients with certain genetic polymorphisms which reduce the function of the MTHFR enzyme. Except for the more severe variants, there is apparently no diagnostic sign nor lab test that can easily detect this deficiency, although it can be determined by genetic testing. However, this is not inexpensive and I haven't found any indications that insurance plans will pay for the genetic test with regard to refractive depression. Furthermore, from looking at formularies, it appears that this medication is not widely covered under pharmaceutical benefits for most insurance plans, so most patients would need to pay OoP for this med.

Has anyone seen enough success with this med. for it to be considered a reasonable option for patients, particularly those that have failed first and second line treatments?


I've used it frequently, as one of my attendings did some of the original research on it. It either works or it doesn't. Some of my patients have shot up like a cork when nothing else seems to have worked. The results have typically come on pretty quickly, as well. If you have samples of it, it works beautifully. Give them the samples, have them take 15mg daily, and come back to see you in 3-4 weeks. If they aren't feeling better, it's probably not going to work, and you start with something else. If it does, well, you have some answers. I had one patient on Cymbalta 120mg daiy and Abilify who had been on multiple trials of antidepressants with only modest results. I put him on Deplin, and when I had seen him he was feeling great, had stopped his Abilify, and he has been in remission since.

Roughtly 70% of depressed patients have a dysfunction at the MTHFR enzyme. Throwing folic acid supplements into the mix isn't going to help and may worsen symptoms because you're blocking transporters that might actually transport l-methltfolate.

I've actually had some success using Deplin to treat anxiety, as well, on roughly 3-patients. They were having SSRI poop-out syndrome, and I tossed in a bit of Deplin and they got remarkably better.

It's expensive. Studies have typically shown you need 15mg daily to get a sufficient effect, as 7.5mg didn't work. I've had a few patients who got modest to good results at 7.5mg daily and have cut the 15mg tabs in half to save expenses, with it roughly costing them $45 per month at that rate. Otherwise it's $90 per month, as insurance just doesn't often cover it.

Some are willing to pay that amount, as it works and without side-effects from those who it benefits. Others it has not effect on whatsoever (where you'd surmise they don't have a deficiency).

I consider it a third line agent that I start consideing more once you've augmented an SNRI with only partial improvement or in someone who has the "poop out" effect.
 
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I'm going to start work in a few days (as part of my gig with the university) to a private psychiatric facility where allegedly Deplin is given out quite a bit. If I find anything out about it I'll let you know.

Thanks so much for the above post. This is the exact type of data I like to see..what people are seeing clinically, and not the company's talking points.
 
I take the Solgar brand methylfolate because a genetic test revealed that I am homozygous for the genetic polymorphism that impairs folate metabolism. You can get 100mg shipped off of Amazon for about $17. I got the test done for under $200, and it came with tons of other genetic info.
 
I've used it frequently, as one of my attendings did some of the original research on it. It either works or it doesn't. Some of my patients have shot up like a cork when nothing else seems to have worked. The results have typically come on pretty quickly, as well. If you have samples of it, it works beautifully. Give them the samples, have them take 15mg daily, and come back to see you in 3-4 weeks. If they aren't feeling better, it's probably not going to work, and you start with something else. If it does, well, you have some answers. I had one patient on Cymbalta 120mg daiy and Abilify who had been on multiple trials of antidepressants with only modest results. I put him on Deplin, and when I had seen him he was feeling great, had stopped his Abilify, and he has been in remission since.

Roughtly 70% of depressed patients have a dysfunction at the MTHFR enzyme. Throwing folic acid supplements into the fix isn't going to help and may worsen symptoms because you're blocking transporters that might actually transport l-methltfolate.

I've actually had some success using Deplin to treat anxiety, as well, on roughly 3-patients. They were having SSRI poop-out syndrome, and I tossed in a bit of Deplin and they got remarkably better.

It's expensive. Studies have typically shown you need 15mg daily to get a sufficient effect, as 7.5mg didn't work. I've had a few patients who got modest to good results at 7.5mg daily and have cut the 15mg tabs in half to save expenses, with it roughly costing them $45 per month at that rate. Otherwise it's $90 per month, as insurance just doesn't often cover it.

Some are willing to pay that amount, as it works and without side-effects from those who it benefits. Others it has not effect on whatsoever (where you'd surmise they don't have a deficiency).

I consider it a third line agent that I start consideing more once you've augmented an SNRI with only partial improvement or in someone who has the "poop out" effect.

Thanks freaker, I appreciate this too. May have to call up a drug rep and get some (we have "coupons" but not samples...)
 
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