depressing job email number 2

[criticalelement]

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This is *** from ************ ****** Associates. Below are the details for the opening in northeast city of 19000.nearest big city of 190K is 45 min away An approximate rate would be $125/hour.
Please get back to me about your interest. My contact information is at the bottom of this email.

Thank you,

***
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REQUIREMENTS
Physician or NP?

(Include Specialty):

Anesthesiologist

Does the NP/PA/MD/DO need to prescribe?

Is there a state specific CSR that will be needed?


Certifications Required:

Will take BC or BE

Background Experience:

Bread and butter ANE – this is hospital based, cases include Ortho, general surgery, Urology, GI, Ophthalmology, ENT and OB (epidurals)

NO hearts/heads or spine

Additional Credentialing Requirements:

Can credential in time for July



LOGISTICS

Located Near/Closest Airport:


Start Date:

July 13th

Dates:

July 13th – August 28th

LOA:

35 days

Work Schedule:

7am-3pm

Call Schedule:

1 in 3 days

Credentialing:

Will emergency credential

Licensing:

Active ** license is a must

Interview Times:
(Include Time Zone):


FACILITY INFORMATION

Patient Volume:

They have 7 suites total 4 OR and 3 Endo, Endo does 15-20 scopes per day and 3-4 OR cases/day

Staffing Mix:

3 MDs and 3 CRNAs

EMR:

Meditech

Additional Information:


125 dollars an hour for anesthesia.. Is this recruiter freakin serious? How are they going to fill this? or are they?

 

[deleted171991]

And people don't believe me when I say that there are parts of the country where this is the going rate...

I know ASCs with standing job announcements like this on gaswork, always looking for the next cheaper sucker.

 

[deleted126335]

Locum CRNAs are getting $135/hr plus mileage and per diem allowance in my corner of the world.

 

[FollowTheMoney]

This is *** from ************ ****** Associates. Below are the details for the opening in northeast city of 19000.nearest big city of 190K is 45 min away An approximate rate would be $125/hour.
Please get back to me about your interest. My contact information is at the bottom of this email.

Thank you,

***
--
REQUIREMENTS
Physician or NP?

(Include Specialty):

Anesthesiologist

Does the NP/PA/MD/DO need to prescribe?

Is there a state specific CSR that will be needed?


Certifications Required:

Will take BC or BE

Background Experience:

Bread and butter ANE – this is hospital based, cases include Ortho, general surgery, Urology, GI, Ophthalmology, ENT and OB (epidurals)

NO hearts/heads or spine

Additional Credentialing Requirements:

Can credential in time for July



LOGISTICS

Located Near/Closest Airport:


Start Date:

July 13th

Dates:

July 13th – August 28th

LOA:

35 days

Work Schedule:

7am-3pm

Call Schedule:

1 in 3 days

Credentialing:

Will emergency credential

Licensing:

Active ** license is a must

Interview Times:
(Include Time Zone):


FACILITY INFORMATION

Patient Volume:

They have 7 suites total 4 OR and 3 Endo, Endo does 15-20 scopes per day and 3-4 OR cases/day

Staffing Mix:

3 MDs and 3 CRNAs

EMR:

Meditech

Additional Information:


125 dollars an hour for anesthesia.. Is this recruiter freakin serious? How are they going to fill this? or are they?

Pull a Dez Bryant and tell them what's up. I woke up this morning asking myself the same question... (see below)

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000497548/article/dez-bryant-on-contract-where-is-my-security

 

[aneftp]

Supply and demand. They aren't going to many people for $125/hr. Especially in the boonies.

It's all negotiable. If it's locums company. Maybe private group or hospital contracted out with locums company. And locums company trying to shave more off the top.

I don't see them getting much interest unless it's from someone with a bad track record. Or someone trying to repair a back track record.

 

[deleted171991]

Supply and demand. They aren't going to many people for $125/hr. Especially in the boonies.

It's all negotiable. If it's locums company. Maybe private group or hospital contracted out with locums company. And locums company trying to shave more off the top.

I don't see them getting much interest unless it's from someone with a bad track record. Or someone trying to repair a back track record.

You would be surprised. Some markets are so saturated that it's either this, or 1+ hour commute each way. People are beginning to take crap like this, at least temporarily. Good people who need to be in an area.

 

[kaioukenx]

What is a fair premium for a locums gig versus a non locums job assuming constant geography?

In a vacuum (in this case putting aside the locums, call requirement and general sketchiness), I don't think 125/hr sounds terrible in a desirable area starting off for a new grad. Extrapolating a bit,

125/hr * 50 hr/wk * 48 wk = 300,000

not great if no benefits but essentially quite similar to an average workload at an EWYK practice with a blended unit of $30.

 

[aneftp]

You would be surprised. Some markets are so saturated that it's either this, or 1+ hour commute each way. People are beginning to take crap like this, at least temporarily. Good people who need to be in an area.

Yeah. But it's the boonies already with that ad. They can make that money in a big city

 

[aneftp]

What is a fair premium for a locums gig versus a non locums job assuming constant geography?

In a vacuum (in this case putting aside the locums, call requirement and general sketchiness), I don't think 125/hr sounds terrible in a desirable area starting off for a new grad. Extrapolating a bit,

125/hr * 50 hr/wk * 48 wk = 300,000

not great if no benefits but essentially quite similar to an average workload at an EWYK practice with a blended unit of $30.

U will burn yourself out very quickly with that schedule. Working say 7-5pm 5 days a week will wear thin quickly.

No time to run to the dentist or other appt.

And that's zero job benefits your are calculating. You won't get paid holidays (or won't get paid on light days near holidays).

$125 x40 x 46 weeks equals $230k.

 

[IlDestriero]

You would be surprised. Some markets are so saturated that it's either this, or 1+ hour commute each way. People are beginning to take crap like this, at least temporarily. Good people who need to be in an area.

Needing to be in an area is the problem, and the northeast has always been desirable and not the highest paying. Though that offer is an insult for someone willing to live in a small town. Maybe the q3 call is compensated at $1500/night. That would be an additional 180k a year and be more reasonable.

 

[criticalelement]

Needing to be in an area is the problem, .

BUt that's everyone's problem once you land somewhere and your kids start school somewhere and your wife starts working somewhere. The middleman HAS to be eliminated in order for this specialty to flourish otherwise the middlemen will continue to manipulate the supply/demand to their benefit.

 

[pgg]

BUt that's everyone's problem once you land somewhere and your kids start school somewhere

No it's not. It's absolute nonsense to think that kids need to stay in the same K-12 school the whole time. They do just fine with moving. Maybe even better than kids for whom the scenery never changes.

and your wife starts working somewhere.

That's a problem for spouses with careers, sure.

 

[Ipassgas]

This is a one month job. Perfect for the mostly retired doc who still has a Prada habit they can't quite afford.

Or the doc between jobs waiting for their license in some other state.

Or the new grad that doesn't start immediately for some reason.

My first job started 6 months after graduation, because I was needed to staff the new ORs being built. The job was the best offer I had for a variety of reasons. But I had a family to feed.

I took a longer term locums job at $150/hr. And I was happy to have it. But it was also 10 minutes from an NFL stadium and 30 min to an international airport. Not an hour from Target, like this one.

My current side gig is prn at $200/hr, 8 hrs guaranteed (usually only work 5-6) 80 miles from home. Not the best ever, but helps to network in another town, and the job is kinda easy. Having said that, if they drop the $ or guarantee, I'm gone.

Edited to correct original locums reimbursement

 

[aneftp]

This is a one month job. Perfect for the mostly retired doc who still has a Prada habit they can't quite afford.

Or the doc between jobs waiting for their license in some other state.

Or the new grad that doesn't start immediately for some reason.

My first job started 6 months after graduation, because I was needed to staff the new ORs being built. The job was the best offer I had for a variety of reasons. But I had a family to feed.

I took a longer term locums job at $125/hr. And I was happy to have it. But it was also 10 minutes from an NFL stadium and 30 min to an international airport. Not an hour from Target, like this one.

My current side gig is prn at $200/hr, 8 hrs guaranteed (usually only work 5-6) 80 miles from home. Not the best ever, but helps to network in another town, and the job is kinda easy. Having said that, if they drop the $ or guarantee, I'm gone.

Do u cover ur own malpractice insurance for $200/hr? Travel/gas cost?

These are factors as well.

30 days at residence inn/home wood suites runs around $3000-4000 a month. Car rental runs around $600-800 a month.

 

[BuzzPhreed]

125/hr * 50 hr/wk * 48 wk = 300,000

No...

$125 x40 x 46 weeks equals $230k.

^ This. 👍

And a fair rate at a locums gig is for them to pay you a full day rate and you work 7:00 AM to 3:30 PM with any time after that being at a premium. And that rate is $1250/day. That's what we pay our locums peeps when we have the occasion to need them.

 

[Consigliere]

Well, you could always ***** yourself out and work for CRNAs:

http://www.gaswork.com/post/176668

 

[Mman]

Yeah. But it's the boonies already with that ad. They can make that money in a big city

Living in a city probably triples or quadruples your cost of living compared to where this location is. Might be a lot more take home pay with the job in the boonies.

 

[Carbocation1]

Currently, the total number of jobs on gaswork are roughly equal for Anesthesiologists (1101) and CRNAs (1111). If the ACT model is taking off, shouldn't there be at least twice the number of CRNA jobs? Maybe things aren't as bad as it seems.

 

[Consigliere]

Currently, the total number of jobs on gaswork are roughly equal for Anesthesiologists (1101) and CRNAs (1111). If the ACT model is taking off, shouldn't there be at least twice the number of CRNA jobs? Maybe things aren't as bad as it seems.

They're worse. MANY of these jobs are listed multiple times by different agencies so the total number of jobs is misleading.

 

[IlDestriero]

Well, you could always ***** yourself out and work for CRNAs:

http://www.gaswork.com/post/176668

This was posted before and it seems like a good job to me.
You're not the fireman watching 8 rooms at a time, you're a partner in a PP, and transitioning into 90%+ pain.
It's just one that is run by a CRNA and has independent crnas. That's better than being the designated deep pocket fall guy.

 

[deleted87051]

No...



^ This. 👍

And a fair rate at a locums gig is for them to pay you a full day rate and you work 7:00 AM to 3:30 PM with any time after that being at a premium. And that rate is $1250/day. That's what we pay our locums peeps when we have the occasion to need them.

That's $25/unit.....maybe less.....seriously? That's fair?

 

[BuzzPhreed]

That's $25/unit.....maybe less.....seriously? That's fair?

No I guess it's not. Because I was wrong. Double checked today and it's actually $1500/day from 7:00 to 3:30 PM and not $1250. That's about $175/hr. And it goes to $225/hr for time after 3:30 PM.

Fair? What is fair? That's just our rate and people take it. Appreciate having a couple of them who routinely do it for us (including one "retired" anesthesiologist who is pretty flexible).

 

[Psai]

This was posted before and it seems like a good job to me.
You're not the fireman watching 8 rooms at a time, you're a partner in a PP, and transitioning into 90%+ pain.
It's just one that is run by a CRNA and has independent crnas. That's better than being the designated deep pocket fall guy.

Why would they hire one md if you're not going to be the designated deep pocket fall guy

 

[IlDestriero]

If you're there doing your own cases and in the pain clinic you're not available to be the fall guy. They seem to need a pain person. It's not clear from the ad if the other anesthesiologist is leaving or not (they already have one), it does say expansion of services, so perhaps they picked up that contract and are really are expanding their services. If they're smart they give the MDs all the sick patients, which wouldn't be ideal day after day. But this is a small group at a rural hospital/ASCs/offices.

 

[criticalelement]

No it's not. It's absolute nonsense to think that kids need to stay in the same K-12 school the whole time. They do just fine with moving. Maybe even better than kids for whom the scenery never changes.



That's a problem for spouses with careers, sure.

You think it's ideal to have your 2 kids change schools at 3rd grade 7th grade and 10th grade because you did not like the sodomizing you were getting at your job at the 3 hospital one anesthese management company city? And i dont think it is nonsense to think it is ideal to be at the same k-12 system growing up

 

[IlDestriero]

Millions of military families don't seem to raise dysfunctional sociopaths. Millions of families change jobs and move every year.
You could probably argue and prove that being in the same school from 9-12 is better for grades/sats/college guidance, etc. but that's probably it.
Kids adapt to change better than we think, and I bet having a happy and stable home life instead of fighting with your spouse and self medicating with alcohol, etc to get over your shïtty job situation is the best thing of all for them.
I'd move in a heartbeat if it was the right thing to do.

 

[criticalelement]

I'd move in a heartbeat if it was the right thing to do.

Ineresting viewpoint. Would you be at all concerned about your 10th graders temper tantrums? you are the reason they are being pulled away from a life they love. Your wife's unhappiness? She loves it here despite you being un happy. And from what I hear, happy wife, happy life. She thinks you are the problem. Would you still move in a heartbeat?

 

[IlDestriero]

If I was at a dead end job, storm clouds on the horizon, etc. and had 15-20 years left, yes. My situation is even more complicated by a professional spouse, but I still earn twice as much as she does. If that is in jeopardy, than a well planned move is the right thing to do. If your job is a real problem, in jeopardy, lost partner track, etc. you have to do a risk/reward analysis.
A move with a kid in 10th grade is more complicated, and it may be worth staying 2 more years. We've actually had this conversation. If we want to relocate, when the older child is going to move middle school and again before high school is the time to go.
Lots of kids go to private or boarding school in 9th grade, starting over with all new friends and do very well. I did.

 

[aneftp]

Living in a city probably triples or quadruples your cost of living compared to where this location is. Might be a lot more take home pay with the job in the boonies.

Sure. Go tell a single guy (or someone with no kids) ages 30-35 to go to the boonies cause their cost of living is less.

My of my savvy

This was posted before and it seems like a good job to me.
You're not the fireman watching 8 rooms at a time, you're a partner in a PP, and transitioning into 90%+ pain.
It's just one that is run by a CRNA and has independent crnas. That's better than being the designated deep pocket fall guy.

a little unknown fact is AANA malpractice insurance requires crnas to have equal or lesser than anesthesiologist or surgeon.

Aka. Crna cannot carry 1/3 million AANA policy limits while anesthesiologist or surgeons carry 250/750k (this is common in Florida for 250/750k limit).

So the AANA forces the MD to be the default "deepest pocket".

 

[Mman]

Sure. Go tell a single guy (or someone with no kids) ages 30-35 to go to the boonies cause their cost of living is less.

I'm not telling anybody where to live. Just pointing out that a lower salary in a less desirable location might results in a lot more take home pay than a higher salary in a city. People who take a job because the salary is higher aren't analyzing the situation in a detailed enough manner. Similarly people who turn down a job because it doesn't pay enough might also be missing something.

 

[IlDestriero]

Sure. Go tell a single guy (or someone with no kids) ages 30-35 to go to the boonies cause their cost of living is less.

My of my savvy


a little unknown fact is AANA malpractice insurance requires crnas to have equal or lesser than anesthesiologist or surgeon.

Aka. Crna cannot carry 1/3 million AANA policy limits while anesthesiologist or surgeons carry 250/750k (this is common in Florida for 250/750k limit).

So the AANA forces the MD to be the default "deepest pocket".

That's fine, but an md sitting in another room or across town in the pain clinic isn't going to be the fall guy for any independent CRNAs. That's how this job is set up.

 

[Ipassgas]

Do u cover ur own malpractice insurance for $200/hr? Travel/gas cost?

These are factors as well.

30 days at residence inn/home wood suites runs around $3000-4000 a month. Car rental runs around $600-800 a month.

Aack. It was $150/hr. With a car (Ford Focus). And a hotel room. And covered malpractice. And one flight there and home.

My current side gig charges me $5/hr for malpractice or I could bring my own. They don't reimburse miles. But (very) rarely, they've called me off for lack of cases. I got paid $1600 to stay home. I think I'm doing ok.

 

[Carbocation1]

Outpatient Plastics practice advertising their exclusive use of Anesthesiologists instead of CRNAs:

 

[Consigliere]

That guy is the exception, not the rule.

 

[Carbocation1]

That guy is the exception, not the rule.

This is even in BFE. Other practices, particularly in urban areas, would be wise to follow suit.

 

[Psai]

Outpatient Plastics practice advertising their exclusive use of Anesthesiologists instead of CRNAs:

that vid has 20 views and it's probably all from us

 

[Carbocation1]

that vid has 20 views and it's probably all from us

It had 2 views before I posted it lol. It is a new upload though.