did anyone scored a 17 AA and got accepted???

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these days, most often not. i have a 18AA with the 3.85 cum and 3.76 science and still have not gotten accepted with 3 interviews. I am planning to retake my DATs this summer and reapply. If I were you I would consider retaking and spare yourself the agony of trying to get by.
 
I have a 17 AA with a 3.45 and was accepted to UMDNJ.
 
blankguy said:
But really how many people with those kind of stats get in?
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I don't know. I was pretty surprised myself. 😛 Thankfully UMDNJ looks at the whole package and not just your DAT's.
 
phantasmagoriun said:
I don't know. I was pretty surprised myself. 😛 Thankfully UMDNJ looks at the whole package and not just your DAT's.
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Same here. Fortunately Buffalo put more weigh on my better grades rather than the overall GPA of 3.24 and DAT 19/20/21
 
NAVY DDS 2010 said:
There are plenty of people who get 17's. Otherwise schools wouldn't average 19-20 for their AA. If yoy have a bunch of people who have low to mid 20's, then you must have people in the 16-18 range to balance the scores to reach a 19 average. Anyone with any type of basic statistics class should know this.

Now, having good stats is probably the most important thing for getting into schools, but it is NOT the only thing. Otherwise, it would be pointless to submit an application and go to an interview. Schools would just look at your GPA and DAT scores and select from there. My classmate wouldn't have had a chance in hell of getting in with his 2.8+ GPA. Now, it did take him a couple years, but he did get in and is excelling in d-school. There are other things that schools look at other than your stats. Each school has their criteria that they are looking at. Now, schools like Harvard the reputation where they can pick and choose at the cream of the crop because of the numebrs of candidates with high stats who are well rounded and well groomed (how they were brought up). They have a reputation to live up to and it would hurt them to accept many people with lower scores. That is why the stats are so high for them.

Now, if you are able to bring your scores up, then do so. It will only help your chances of getting in. If you have a low GPA, then you had better try to improve your DAT score. But if you are unable to, then you had better work on making the rest of your application smell like roses!

Just because you have a 17 AA doesn't by any menas mean your chances of getting into d-school are shot.
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Well said. 👍
 
We probably took spots from people with higher stats. But I'm not feeling guilty because of it.
 
blankguy said:
We probably took spots from people with higher stats. But I'm not feeling guilty because of it.
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It's how it works. I wouldn't say I don't feel bad, but I am extremely grateful.
 
phantasmagoriun said:
It's how it works. I wouldn't say I don't feel bad, but I am extremely grateful.
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I remember when I submitted my application back in June saying to myself. "Here goes nothing."👍
 
blankguy said:
I remember when I submitted my application back in June saying to myself. "Here goes nothing."👍
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Oh man, same here. I think I said something like "Here's to overwhelming rejection."
 
SDN is probably the wrong place to look for a lot of people with 17 AA's
 
Danny0230 said:
SDN is probably the wrong place to look for a lot of people with 17 AA's
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It's the right place if you want to get your ego deflated with people bragging about 23+ DAT 3.8+ GPA. :meanie:
 
Then again ... how many people are inflating their stats on SDN and predents
 
My friend got accepted at Marquette with 16 AA.
 
SHC1984 said:
😱 This person got into Columbia? 😱
http://www.predents.com/?page=user&user_id=3570
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"This person" is your future classmate. Have a little respect. She also went to Vanderbilt and probably got a very good liberal arts education. She's also black, and blacks tend to have a very strong background in leadership. This person is no different, since she holds presidency and vice presidency in many activities.

She can completely ask you how'd YOU get into Columbia, since your application is completely devoid of any leadership potential. And maybe even lacking in understanding the English language.
 
porschex911x said:
TWO wordS. affirmative action.
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She has a 3.6 from Vanderbilt. She held her own fairly well, I'd say.

She's also not a science major, which would explain why her science scores were lower than her math/rc. Once you get into dental school, you'll realize dentistry's not very hard. At least, the academic aspects that pertain to dentistry.
 
dentstd said:
She's also black, and blacks tend to have a very strong background in leadership.
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Huh????

I believe you were attempting to compliment her, but it sounds a little more like stereotyping.

Two letters: PC
 
JamieMac said:
Huh????

I believe you were attempting to compliment her, but it sounds a little more like stereotyping.

Two letters: PC
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I can rephrase. No problem.

She has a background demonstrating strong leadership potential, as shown by her positions as president and vp in many activities.
 
We probably took spots from people with higher stats. But I'm not feeling guilty because of it. <--- Blankguy

I agree with you Blankguy, Who cares what your stats are...... honestly GPA and DATs really don't mean crap about how well you will do in D- school..... I know they do matter to committees, but as long as you have decent stats to get an interview, then it is up to you to impress them with your personality.

I am going to use a football analogy, The patriots this year, if you went according to the stats they should have slaughtered the Giants, but that is why they play the game..... same with pretty much everything in life...... if you want something more then someone else and are willing to work for it, then eventually one way or another you will get it.
 
As someone said it is really embarrassing to talk about your mediocre stats when everyone is always talking about their 3.8+ 23+ stats....but I've had 4 Interviews with a solid GPA and 17/18/17 Dat's. I personally feel the DAT's are a crock of **** and its sad that it plays such an important role. I know a lot of driven competent, and compassionate people who would make great dentists get turned away because of this test.
 
Ttime said:
As someone said it is really embarrassing to talk about your mediocre stats when everyone is always talking about their 3.8+ 23+ stats....but I've had 4 Interviews with a solid GPA and 17/18/17 Dat's. I personally feel the DAT's are a crock of **** and its sad that it plays such an important role. I know a lot of driven competent, and compassionate people who would make great dentists get turned away because of this test.
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Thanks. It was really hard coming into this forum with my scores the way they are but it really doesn't bother me anymore that I didn't get 23 AA. I'm proof that the DAT's aren't everything and it's sad that a test can sometimes be the deciding factor of people's lives.
 
btizzels said:
We probably took spots from people with higher stats. But I'm not feeling guilty because of it. <--- Blankguy

I agree with you Blankguy, Who cares what your stats are...... honestly GPA and DATs really don't mean crap about how well you will do in D- school.

I am going to use a football analogy, The patriots this year, if you went according to the stats they should have slaughtered the Giants, but that is why they play the game..... same with pretty much everything in life.
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Exactly!! That's why we play the game! If it was only about the numbers they will only pick individuals that look good on paper to send acceptances to. It don't work like that. Nothing in life works that way.

Besides, who cares that you can count the change in your pocket real fast! That doesn't mean you are the greatest gift to dentistry! That student with lower stats is getting the same opportunity as you. Sorry to bust your bubble, but they're not going to be waiting for you in August with roses and chocolates. Some of these pre-dents need to seriously humble themselves. If these schools knew just how judgemental some of you guys are I am willing to bet that they would think longer and harder before sending out acceptances.
 
phantasmagoriun said:
Thanks. It was really hard coming into this forum with my scores the way they are but it really doesn't bother me anymore that I didn't get 23 AA. I'm proof that the DAT's aren't everything and it's sad that a test can sometimes be the deciding factor of people's lives.
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Congrats Phanta!! We need more pre-dents like you. It's sad to come on this fourm and see that some of the people who claim to want to contribute to society are really just a bunch of status hungry individuals who go out of their way to try and make others feel inferior. SHC1984, what was the purpose of that "OMG This person got into Columbia" comment? Do you feel better about yourself when you belittle others? That's a sorry quality to have. I don't know anyone in the general public who would want a dentist with an attitude like that.
 
superfinger45 said:
Aren't you being judgmental of them? You better call Howard and ask them to rethink your acceptance based of your inability to humble yourself, sorry to burst your bubble . . . "POP!"

and yes, this probably IS judgmental of me.
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Ok..we all can be judgemental. However, I have yet attempted to make anyone feel like crap because they have lower scores. I'm not one of those guys who is mad at the world becuase themeslves or friends with perfect GPA's, DAT's and tons of EC didn't get into dental school. I also don't sit back and try to judge other peoples fates by picking out their flaws. Dental school is an opportunity and privilege. Therefore, when we submit those applications we all have an opportunity. Even those with lackluster scores!

Truthfully, I am extremely thankful for my chance to study dentistry. If you knew me than you would know that. I realize that no dental school in the world had to admit me. However, by the grace of God I was fortunate enough to be one of those to get selected. I never walked around bragging as if I was a sure lock for anything. Therefore, how could you "POP" a bubble that was never there?
 
I got a 19 AA, 3.7 GPA, 3.8 Science GPA and have gotten into Loma Linda and UCSF:hardy: and have an interview at UCLA...I assume a high GPA helps counter balance a low DAT score.
 
superfinger45 said:
Couldn't you consider being judgmental a flaw? and didn't you say that adcoms should think longer and harder about letting in the judgmental ones?
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:laugh: Did you even read the sentence?? I said, "I don't sit back and try to judge other peoples fates by picking out their flaws". Meaning I don't make it a point to try and determine the worth of an individuals future by blatantly pointing at things that people may consider to be weaknesses. It's not my place. I'm not on any admission committees, and I don't get paid to do so.

However, I do recognize when people get on this fourm and try to embarrass others who seem to have stats below the average. I also see the "hateration" that goes on when a person with lower stats are accepted into these programs. Yes Superfinger, I do think that adcomms should take a closer look at any indivdual who think that they are God's gift to rest of the incoming class. That person has yet to make any contributions to the field of dentistry. Why should they warrant more respect than the next student? On the first day of school we are all the same, D1 students. Regardless, of GPA, DAT, or any other pre dental activities.
 
PCrooks said:
:laugh: Did you even read the sentence?? I said, "I don't sit back and try to judge other peoples fates by picking out their flaws". Meaning I don't make it a point to try and determine the worth of an individuals future by blatantly pointing at things that people may consider to be weaknesses. It's not my place. I'm not on any admission committees, and I don't get paid to do so.

However, I do recognize when people get on this fourm and try to embarrass others who seem to have stats below the average. I also see the "hateration" that goes on when a person with lower stats are accepted into these programs. Yes Superfinger, I do think that adcomms should take a closer look at any indivdual who think that they are God's gift to rest of the incoming class. That person has yet to make any contributions to the field of dentistry. Why should they warrant more respect than the next student? On the first day of school we are all the same, D1 students. Regardless, of GPA, DAT, or any other pre dental activities.
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I just think its funny that you think its not ok for people to think that they may deserve to get in more than others, but that you think its ok for you to basically do the same thing.
Agreed that we all start off dental school at the same place relatively speaking (unless your going to be attending Temple, then your a SUPER D1).

Also I don't give a crap what any one's stats are. Just thought it was funny, to see you try and exclude judgmental people from dental school, when they were trying to exclude people with low stats.
 
I know there are many people on SDN who would be shocked to know that I scored an 18AA and was accepted at my top 3 schools. I think it's obvious from this board that we tend to look only at 2 aspects of an application when the entire application is pages long. It is very difficult to read posts on a forum and be able to accurately analyze someone's ability to be a dentist, and I'm sure it's difficult to look at test scores and GPA to determine the same thing. We shouldn't be judging someone's ability to be a dentist based on their DAT and GPA, and we most definitely don't need to belittle someone who has less than stellar stats (like myself). Why don't we look at the person? I believe that's what the admission committees do...
 
Have I mistakenly entered the high school forum? People people.. let us all take a CHILL PILL and call it a night. :beat:
 
Oh Saj, you are hilarious. Whose the bigger guy, Superfinger or Pcrooks? JUST KIDDING, please don't answer that question.
 
CookieDough said:
Oh Saj, you are hilarious. Whose the bigger guy, Superfinger or Pcrooks? JUST KIDDING, please don't answer that question.
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Please Cookie...let me do the honors😉
 
Ttime said:
As someone said it is really embarrassing to talk about your mediocre stats when everyone is always talking about their 3.8+ 23+ stats....but I've had 4 Interviews with a solid GPA and 17/18/17 Dat's. I personally feel the DAT's are a crock of **** and its sad that it plays such an important role. I know a lot of driven competent, and compassionate people who would make great dentists get turned away because of this test.
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Wow! well said, someone on this forum besides me actually has some sack.
 
superfinger45 said:
I just think its funny that you think its not ok for people to think that they may deserve to get in more than others, but that you think its ok for you to basically do the same thing.
Agreed that we all start off dental school at the same place relatively speaking (unless your going to be attending Temple, then your a SUPER D1).

Also I don't give a crap what any one's stats are. Just thought it was funny, to see you try and exclude judgmental people from dental school, when they were trying to exclude people with low stats.
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In the end it really doesn't matter what either one of us thinks. Schools will select whoever they want. Besides, I never said that people shouldn't feel that they deserve to get into dental school more than others. That would be an unrealistic comment to make. I was simply stating how it is ridiculous for pre-dental students to try and crucify the aspirations or belittle the accomplishments of another applicant based on what they feel are not the correct GPA/DAT scores.

Until we serve on adcoms we'll never know exactly why each person is selected. I just think it would be nice for people to congratulate others on their acceptance instead of trying to make a mockery out of it. Perhaps, my message was lost in the language but that's the only point I was trying to make.

(I turned down Temple's offer to be a SUPER D1 to study at the MECCA!!)
 
btizzels said:
We probably took spots from people with higher stats. But I'm not feeling guilty because of it. <--- Blankguy

I agree with you Blankguy, Who cares what your stats are...... honestly GPA and DATs really don't mean crap about how well you will do in D- school..... I know they do matter to committees, but as long as you have decent stats to get an interview, then it is up to you to impress them with your personality.

I am going to use a football analogy, The patriots this year, if you went according to the stats they should have slaughtered the Giants, but that is why they play the game..... same with pretty much everything in life...... if you want something more then someone else and are willing to work for it, then eventually one way or another you will get it.
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I wouldn't go that far to put away past performances. Although past records do not necessarily indicate future performance, how you fared in your past is usually a pretty fair indicator of how you would do in the future. Someone who has had a sterling academic history will tend to have better study habits, more perseverance, and better learning ability than someone who has not . . . . and for at least the first two years of D-School this will be valuable as you will be absorbing tons of didactic information for tests and the Board. Even for clinical work someone who has done well traditionally may have the tenacity and perspicacity to pick up new skills.
 
PCrooks said:
Exactly!! That's why we play the game! If it was only about the numbers they will only pick individuals that look good on paper to send acceptances to. It don't work like that. Nothing in life works that way.

Besides, who cares that you can count the change in your pocket real fast! That doesn't mean you are the greatest gift to dentistry! That student with lower stats is getting the same opportunity as you. Sorry to bust your bubble, but they're not going to be waiting for you in August with roses and chocolates. Some of these pre-dents need to seriously humble themselves. If these schools knew just how judgemental some of you guys are I am willing to bet that they would think longer and harder before sending out acceptances.
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LOL!
 
jswizdent said:
Wow! well said, someone on this forum besides me actually has some sack.
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Just to be clear, to "[have] some sack" like you, one must post on an internet forum that the relationship between doing well on a standardized test, the DAT, and doing well in dental school is ridiculous. Seems weird to me...
 
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UNR.Grad said:
Just to be clear, to "[have] some sack" like you, one must post on an internet forum that the relationship between doing well on a standardized test, the DAT, and doing well in dental school is ridiculous.
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LOL

I guess I don't have "sack" and neither do adcoms...
 
SHC1984 said:
😱 This person got into Columbia? 😱
http://www.predents.com/?page=user&user_id=3570
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A close relative of mine got into Columbia with an 18 PAT 19 AA and, get this, a 2.8 GPA from Texas. Now that he is there he is in the top 10 in his class. There is a reason that dental schools give interviews instead of blindly accepting people with certain scores and grades.
 
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