Did I lied to my dad?

[luk]

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Long story short, my dad told me to become a doctor or surgeon instead of a dentist. I told him that a dentist is a surgeon. And, he bought it. Now my thoughts are telling me that I was wrong. I looked it up, but can't find it! Can someone help me?😕

 

[Sephiroth]

just make sure u go to a school that grants a DDS rather than a DMD



...lol

 

[tpsreport]

Coulda sworn there was an age requirement to this forum

 

[Ismet]

 

[edscribe86]

A lot of, if not most, oral and maxillofacial surgeons have a DDS. Example

http://www.associatesfororalsurgery.com/oral-surgeons/meet-the-doctors.html

 

[Sephiroth]

A lot of, if not most, oral and maxillofacial surgeons have a DDS. Example

http://www.associatesfororalsurgery.com/oral-surgeons/meet-the-doctors.html

Talking serious now, how's your sampling? I think that may just be a location thing as certain parts of the country have a tendency for most or all the schools to grant one or the other, but in practice it's all the same

 

[Ismet]

A lot of, if not most, oral and maxillofacial surgeons have a DDS. Example

http://www.associatesfororalsurgery.com/oral-surgeons/meet-the-doctors.html

There's no difference between DMD and DDS. It just depends on what school you go to and what title they award. About 1/3 of dental schools award DMD, and the only reason for the change in title name is because Harvard only awards degrees in Latin, and DMD is easier to say in Latin. Blame it on Harvard!

Source: Friend is a dental student at a DMD-awarding school, which also has an OMFS program with the medical school.

 

[PreMedJock]

 

[BABSstudent]

A lot of, if not most, oral and maxillofacial surgeons have a DDS. Example

http://www.associatesfororalsurgery.com/oral-surgeons/meet-the-doctors.html

Some dentists can be surgeons. And I don't think it is regional. The one quoted is in IL. I know of two practices here in WA. I even went with one of the practices to Guatemala for cleft palate procedures.

All the maxillofacial surgeons that I have met went to dental school and then did a residency that also got them their MD. Apparently, if they don't do this then they have to have a general surgeon come in to the OR and remove a part of the ilium when the maxillofacial surgeon fixes cleft palates. If the maxillofacial surgeon has the MD title along with the dental title, he/she can do the whole surgery unassisted.

So a dentist can be a surgeon.

 

[487806]

Long story short, my dad told me to become a doctor or surgeon instead of a dentist. I told him that a dentist is a surgeon. And, he bought it. Now my thoughts are telling me that I was wrong. I looked it up, but can't find it! Can someone help me?😕

I tend to lie on the bed recollecting why I had lied to my parents

 

[SpecterGT260]

Talking serious now, how's your sampling? I think that may just be a location thing as certain parts of the country have a tendency for most or all the schools to grant one or the other, but in practice it's all the same

No, I do think he is correct. I think dentistry jealously guards the OMFS field. Some of the programs grant an MD to DDS grads after completion, but others are just DDS. I am not aware of any MD OMFS programs. There may be some, but I think they are rare. But.... so are OMFS for that matter

 

[Ismet]

no, i do think he is correct. I think dentistry jealously guards the omfs field. Some of the programs grant an md to dds grads after completion, but others are just dds. I am not aware of any md omfs programs. There may be some, but i think they are rare. But.... So are omfs for that matter

dmd != md

dmd = dds

 

[Barney Stinson]

No, I do think he is correct. I think dentistry jealously guards the OMFS field. Some of the programs grant an MD to DDS grads after completion, but others are just DDS. I am not aware of any MD OMFS programs. There may be some, but I think they are rare. But.... so are OMFS for that matter

Mayo admits two DDS grads every year to a six-year MD/OMFS residency program.

 

[SpecterGT260]

dmd != md

dmd = dds

Correct. Which is why I said they grant the MD afterwards. These people then hold MD/DDS or MD/DMD as OMFS.

Next time you want to clarify something so basic just assume you should be googling something.

Mayo admits two DDS grads every year to a six-year MD/OMFS residency program.

This is agreement then, right?

 

[Temperature101]

For all practical purpose, all dentist are surgeons because tooth extraction is somewhat a 'minor' surgery. And all dentist learn and know how to do that even though there are some who choose not to do it in their practice.

 

[Ismet]

Correct. Which is why I said they grant the MD afterwards. These people then hold MD/DDS or MD/DMD as OMFS.

Next time you want to clarify something so basic just assume you should be googling something.



This is agreement then, right?

I think you thought that the discussion was between dentist --> OMFS and MD --> OMFS, and I took it as DDS --> OMFS and DMD --> OMFS, based on the first few posts in the thread.

 

[SpecterGT260]

I think you thought that the discussion was between dentist --> OMFS and MD --> OMFS, and I took it as DDS --> OMFS and DMD --> OMFS, based on the first few posts in the thread.

I guess I can see that. I always just use DDS as I use them interchangeably, it is what I am more familiar with, and I can't be bothered to type them both out each time

just make sure u go to a school that grants a DDS rather than a DMD



...lol

But this post was just a joke. He was playing off the OPs question about his dad wanting him to be a doctor (implying MD).


/end response there. Next quote unrelated

Some dentists can be surgeons. If the maxillofacial surgeon has the MD title along with the dental title, he/she can do the whole surgery unassisted.

So a dentist can be a surgeon.

FYI the DDS or DMD only OMFS can do surgery unassisted as well. They do not need MDs present to do it. It isnt like a PA or NP that needs oversight. In fact, most MDs (even surgeons) are not qualified to perform OMFS (although I think plastics, EENT, and other specialties would be perfectly proficient. it is more a legal/license/Board certification thing than ability thing). The OMFS residency/fellowship is a stand alone program.

And actually, just plain DDS/DMD will do some minor surgical procedures. Do you know what DDS stands for?

 

[Sephiroth]

No, I do think he is correct. I think dentistry jealously guards the OMFS field. Some of the programs grant an MD to DDS grads after completion, but others are just DDS. I am not aware of any MD OMFS programs. There may be some, but I think they are rare. But.... so are OMFS for that matter

I wasn't talking about dentistry vs medicine (DDS vs MD), i was talking about DDS vs DMD.

I'm not aware of MD to DDS OMFS residencies, though I've seen a few DDS to DDS/MD ones (I think Columbia's is a 6-year program that grants an MD)

 

[La Presse]

You need to land an OMFS specialty, which is often coupled with an MD option. However, this specialty is typically reserved for the most competitive students in dental school who place in the top 10 percent of their class.

Visit the dental forum. You would learn a lot there.

 

[SpecterGT260]

I wasn't talking about dentistry vs medicine (DDS vs MD), i was talking about DDS vs DMD.

I'm not aware of MD to DDS OMFS residencies, though I've seen a few DDS to DDS/MD ones (I think Columbia's is a 6-year program that grants an MD)

yeah I picked that up after his last post 👍

Im not aware of any MD only programs at all.... let alone an MD -> MD/DDS. Like I said, there may be some. But the two ways I am aware of to get there are DDS-> DDS OMFS and DDS -> MD/DDS OMFS

Again, I use the two degrees interchangeably so you can replace DMD anywhere in there you'd like. Perhaps some programs want one or the other, but I doubt it. I just have no info on that particular question.

 

[Ismet]

But this post was just a joke. He was playing off the OPs question about his dad wanting him to be a doctor (implying MD).

I know that was a joke, but this post took it seriously, and the rest stemmed from that:

A lot of, if not most, oral and maxillofacial surgeons have a DDS. Example

http://www.associatesfororalsurgery....e-doctors.html

 

[SpecterGT260]

I know that was a joke, but this post took it seriously, and the rest stemmed from that:

yeah, I took it to mean DDS as opposed to MD or DDS/MD.

👍

 

[911 Turbo]

Stay safe OP

 

[Sephiroth]

yeah I picked that up after his last post 👍

Im not aware of any MD only programs at all.... let alone an MD -> MD/DDS. Like I said, there may be some. But the two ways I am aware of to get there are DDS-> DDS OMFS and DDS -> MD/DDS OMFS

Again, I use the two degrees interchangeably so you can replace DMD anywhere in there you'd like. Perhaps some programs want one or the other, but I doubt it. I just have no info on that particular question.

ah, you ninja'd me.

 

[BiologyNerd]

OMFS, its big money.

 

[edscribe86]

I provided one example and did not say ALL OMFS have a DDS or DMD. If you truly want to do statistical analysis, by all means, do your own research. Just search for OMFS groups and see what degrees they hold.

Also, I have been accepted to an MD school, Class of 2017. I am not predental or in dental school. I have nothing against dentistry.

 

[Frazier]

Did I lied to my dad?

 

[Barney Stinson]

This is agreement then, right?

Sure. Mostly verifying the existence of MD/OMFS programs even if I only know of one program with two seats.

 

[Ismet]

Sure. Mostly verifying the existence of MD/OMFS programs even if I only know of one program with two seats.

I believe the miscommunication is high in this thread.

I think (?) Specter was saying that he doesn't know of any MD --> OMFS programs. You have to get the dental degree first. What you're referring to is an MD/OMFS residency, which definitely exists at many schools. Pitt is one, we have two OMFS students joining our class next month.

 

[SpecterGT260]

I just.... Let's just turn this into a meme thread.

 

[La Presse]

I believe the miscommunication is high in this thread.

I think (?) Specter was saying that he doesn't know of any MD --> OMFS programs. You have to get the dental degree first. What you're referring to is an MD/OMFS residency, which definitely exists at many schools. Pitt is one, we have two OMFS students joining our class next month.

That is correct. I believe one also exists at Case and at Icahn; however, I hear that Sinai is eliminating the program very soon. This was the only reason I almost considered the dental route. However, at the risk of matching gen dent.-----hell naw!!

 

[SpecterGT260]

That is correct. I believe one also exists at Case and at Icahn; however, I hear that Sinai is eliminating the program very soon. This was the only reason I almost considered the dental route. However, at the risk of matching gen dent.-----hell naw!!

You don't really match general dentistry.... It's just what you do after you graduate.

Honestly.... I'm not sure if you really match any of the dental specialties. They aren't bottlenecked with further training like we are so I thought it was more of a job interview type of process.

 

[La Presse]

You don't really match general dentistry.... It's just what you do after you graduate.

Honestly.... I'm not sure if you really match any of the dental specialties. They aren't bottlenecked with further training like we are so I thought it was more of a job interview type of process.

Whatever...😳

But, if I do decide to go that route, that is the default option I have. To me, it is not that appealing.