Dirty question...

[MGKatz036]

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Hello, as someone about to the start the application process for Cardiovascular fellowship, there's been one question that it seems it is difficult to get a straight-forward answer to: What does one do if they don't want to be an academic researcher?

I ask this question in a tongue-in-cheek way, but coming from a high-powered, academic, research oriented Internal Medicine program, it seems that there are only two dichotomous pathways: 1) Research Academics or 2) Practicing Clinician (non-academic). What do I do if my long-term plan is to practice in an academic setting with residents and fellows. Is this a third pathway that doesn't actually exist?

If the third pathway does exist, are there training programs which should be closely considered that may slip under the radar of "Research Cardiology."

Appreciate any feedback.

 

[punk]

Hello, as someone about to the start the application process for Cardiovascular fellowship, there's been one question that it seems it is difficult to get a straight-forward answer to: What does one do if they don't want to be an academic researcher?

I ask this question in a tongue-in-cheek way, but coming from a high-powered, academic, research oriented Internal Medicine program, it seems that there are only two dichotomous pathways: 1) Research Academics or 2) Practicing Clinician (non-academic). What do I do if my long-term plan is to practice in an academic setting with residents and fellows. Is this a third pathway that doesn't actually exist?

If the third pathway does exist, are there training programs which should be closely considered that may slip under the radar of "Research Cardiology."

Appreciate any feedback.

you call that clinician-educator

 

[Brunette1981]

Three tracks (tenure, clinician-educator, clinician scholar)

From U. Chicago:
The full-time tenure track emphasizes research and its publication. Faculty on this track are expected to make important contribution to the teaching programs, and almost all physicians maintain clinical privileges and participate in clinical activities.
The clinical scholar's track emphasizes clinical scholarship throught clinical practice and teaching, but advancement to senior ranks also requires a continuing record of clinical scholarship.
The clinician-educator track recognizes distinguished clinical practice, teaching, and administrative work. Faculty appointed to this track are full-time salaried physicians whose academic title is modified by the insertion of the word “clinical” following the academic rank.

Clinician-educators are still expected to publish to receive tenure although the requirements are less than for full-time tenure track. Also, the research is generally more patient-oriented/translational or can be on aspects of medical education.

 

[dragonfly99]

I think you are asking how to do academic cards but not be a bench researcher. I think you can do that, but don't necessarily announce that during your fellowship interviews...wait until during the interview to see what their friendliness is toward this idea. Some places, like UCSF and Washington U., are very bench research oriented. There are some others that have a good reputation that are more accepting or in to clinical research. One thing you have to understand is that in academics you still have to pay your salary, so if you don't do much research you'll need to see lots of patients so the hospital can bill them...