Disaster medicine

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Maybe I should be posting this elsewhere since I'm not actually a resident or med student (yet) but I'm very interested in disaster medicine/emergency management... I've googled but found very little information on it. I assume one would do an EM residency, then a disaster medicine fellowship? Is anyone here doing or planning on doing disaster medicine, or know anywhere that I could find more information? Thanks a ton, and my apologies if I put this in the wrong section...
 
With the current direction of healthcare, regardless of training, we'll all be doing disaster medicine soon enough.
 
There are various little "hobbies" in emergency medicine, like wilderness medicine and international medicine. You don't really pay the bills with your hobby. You can volunteer in times of disaster and travel thousands of miles and ogle at the bad luck of survivers of hurricanes once every couple of years. Is there an advantage to doing an ER residency to prepare for this? I don't think necessarily.

Disaster medicine is more a function of effectively distributing resources. Being able to put in a chest tube isn't going to save thousands of peoples lives as much as guiding an army of volunteers. Public health seems like an even better marriage to me. I think family practice would be as good of a choice for a specialty.

In emergency medicine, we are good at resuscitation and using advanced imaging and laboratory methods to diagnose and rule out emergencies. We have a host of drugs we use to ease suffering and treat emergencies. One thing that you absolutely do not train for is effective resource utilization. Take away our nurses, our medications, and our imaging, and our cool toys, and we are no better than a family practice doctor in an emergency.

I don't know if there are fellowships, but what good would a fellowship be? I mean, you learn to manage disasters by managing disasters, not by sitting around a table talking about it before hand. How could a fellowship supply a consistent number of disaster opportunities for you to learn?

I'm picturing a very excited young resident showing up every day to an office with their bags packed, and praying daily for a "cool disaster" they can go manage (Shake head)

Having said that, here is ACEP's website with a link to some resources that might interest you:

http://www.acep.org/ACEPmembership.aspx?LinkIdentifier=id&id=40898&fid=826&Mo=No&taxid=112453

In my opinion, you should only go into emergency medicine if you intend to work in an ER. Otherwise, don't waste your time, or your residency directors resources. I knew enough med students who would hav given their left nut/ovary to get into ER, but couldn't, that it irritates me that people would want to go into ER without the primary objective of working in an ER. You are wasting a residency spot and decreasing the number of functioning ER physicians that we are so badly in need of. Hobbies are fine in addition to ER work, but you shouldn't generally hope that they are going to provide you with a consistent and viable career. Most people who spend 11 years on education want a CAREER, not a hobby.
 
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I don't know if there are fellowships, but what good would a fellowship be? I mean, you learn to manage disasters by managing disasters, not by sitting around a table talking about it before hand. How could a fellowship supply a consistent number of disaster opportunities for you to learn?

I wish whole heartedly someone would go to FEMA and tell them this...NIMS/ICS trainings were terrible and never have I wanted to shove pencils in my ears so badly.
 
I don't know if there are fellowships, but what good would a fellowship be? I mean, you learn to manage disasters by managing disasters, not by sitting around a table talking about it before hand. How could a fellowship supply a consistent number of disaster opportunities for you to learn?

There are fellowships, and there are people who are paid to work in emergency preparedness. I would not call it a hobby, but perhaps compare it to EMS medical direction in a large city, in that the jobs are very rare, probably pay less than clinical work, and very political to obtain.

However, I don't agree that the only way to learn how to prepare for disasters is to actually be involved in them. By this logic, no one can ever learn how to prepare for any rare event. We have generals who haven't fought major wars, right? I'm sure they would be better qualified if they had done so, but I'm equally sure they can do a better job than I can.

Also, any medical disaster is going to involve the emergency medical system since that is its purpose. EM makes much more sense for this than any other specialty. I do agree that disaster medicine is also a branch of public health, of course.
 
Thanks for all your input!

I'm going to be doing a master's in public health and then going for my MD, and I've been really interested in doing work with emergency/disaster preparedness and didn't know what kind of programs were out there really, other than the vaguely mentioned "disaster medicine." For now I'm going to do my master's and go to med school, and then decide what kind of residency I'd like to do, but I'm trying to do a little research as to what's out there that fits my current interests.