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There is a secondary that specifically asks for “adversities, challenges, and/or marginalized experiences” that I have experienced based on my life path.

Based on the narrative I am presenting in my application to this school it would be relevant to mention that for a period of my life many years ago I did sex work in order to survive.

This is not mentioned or referenced at all elsewhere in my application. Would this be appropriate to mention as it was years ago and there is no existing record of it and is relevant to my application narrative or would it be a red flag?

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There is a secondary that specifically asks for “adversities, challenges, and/or marginalized experiences” that I have experienced based on my life path.

Based on the narrative I am presenting in my application to this school it would be relevant to mention that for a period of my life many years ago I did sex work in order to survive.

This is not mentioned or referenced at all elsewhere in my application. Would this be appropriate to mention as it was years ago and there is no existing record of it and is relevant to my application narrative or would it be a red flag?

No. As much as I like to believe that there would be enlightened attitudes toward this choice and understanding, I think this would be a bridge too far. Can you talk about living in poverty without disclosing this? Maybe reference gig economy jobs ? Which doesn't necessarily have to be sex work?
 
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An application is not a confessional. While there are some confidentiality safeguards, it is also true that anything you put down in an application can be asked of you in an interview. Having a population of faculty or admins know this about you before you place your tuition deposit may bring many unintended consequences.
 
it would absolutely harm your med school application.
I think this would be a bridge too far.
Having a population of faculty or admins know this about you before you place your tuition deposit may bring many unintended consequences.
Thank you all it seems like there's a pretty clear consensus!

Can you talk about living in poverty without disclosing this?
That's basically the plan!

this has to be a troll post
It's not : )
 
There is a secondary that specifically asks for “adversities, challenges, and/or marginalized experiences” that I have experienced based on my life path.

Based on the narrative I am presenting in my application to this school it would be relevant to mention that for a period of my life many years ago I did sex work in order to survive.

This is not mentioned or referenced at all elsewhere in my application. Would this be appropriate to mention as it was years ago and there is no existing record of it and is relevant to my application narrative or would it be a red flag?
No, don't do that
 
Again OP, I hope you don’t feel attacked here. I wouldn’t think less of you personally. I’m just telling you how you might be perceived by some adcoms. I don’t think it’s worth the risk.
 
There is a secondary that specifically asks for “adversities, challenges, and/or marginalized experiences” that I have experienced based on my life path.

Based on the narrative I am presenting in my application to this school it would be relevant to mention that for a period of my life many years ago I did sex work in order to survive.

This is not mentioned or referenced at all elsewhere in my application. Would this be appropriate to mention as it was years ago and there is no existing record of it and is relevant to my application narrative or would it be a red flag?
Honestly I would avoid topics with this much stigma and controversy. You always need to ask yourself what the benefits/harms are from disclosing things like this. Best case scenario the person reading your story sympathizes with you and doesn't judge. Worst case they think bad things about you and throw your application in the trash. To be honest, alot of people in medical school were never put in a position to need to do that most likely, and sometimes humans are really bad at being able to relate to others who have had to do things due to different circumstances.

I'm really sorry you went through that, and I would completely sympathize and not judge, but I can't say the same for people that I am fellow students with.
 
Thanks all for the advice!

I had thought it might have some sort of positive shock value, but it looks like that probably isn't the case

Again OP, I hope you don’t feel attacked here. I wouldn’t think less of you personally. I’m just telling you how you might be perceived by some adcoms. I don’t think it’s worth the risk.
Haha, it's just fine I asked for advice and I got a clear answer. I've pretty much made peace with all my past, but I know how people instinctively react to finding out someone's an ex-wh*re. There's a reason this account is anonymous after all : )

To be honest, alot of people in medical school were never put in a position to need to do that most likely, and sometimes humans are really bad at being able to relate to others who have had to do things due to different circumstances.
Unfortunately it's more or less the same in most professional fields. But cultures can change, it's one of the reasons I prefer not to conceal my whole deal unless I have to. That's what visibility is all about : )
 
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Thanks all for the advice!

I had thought it might have some sort of positive shock value, but it looks like that probably isn't the case


Haha, it's just fine I asked for advice and I got a clear answer. I've pretty much made peace with all my past, but I know how people instinctively react to finding out someone's an ex-wh*re. There's a reason this account is anonymous after all : )


Unfortunately it's more or less the same in most professional fields. But cultures can change, it's one of the reasons I prefer not to conceal my whole deal unless I have to. That's what visibility is all about : )
I do that too, but I had to learn the hard way that telling people about bad things that happen in your life doesn't always end well. I tend to overshare and it does end up taking a toll on others that are also stressed and trying to study. Unfortunately if people associate you with something that makes them sad they may not want to say much to you and I don't want you to run into that kind of isolation in medical school.

I never had to do what you had too, but my life wasn't easy by any stretch and I paid for it socially by bringing too much of it up to others.
 
I do that too, but I had to learn the hard way that telling people about bad things that happen in your life doesn't always end well. I tend to overshare and it does end up taking a toll on others that are also stressed and trying to study. Unfortunately if people associate you with something that makes them sad they may not want to say much to you and I don't want you to run into that kind of isolation in medical school.

I never had to do what you had too, but my life wasn't easy by any stretch and I paid for it socially by bringing too much of it up to others.
Haha, thank you for the concern, I'm sure it will go fine, I don't exactly look like your prototypical medical student anyway (Neck tattoo?) so I doubt it could come as that much of a shock to my classmates and at this point its something I can joke about : )

my life wasn't easy by any stretch and I paid for it socially by bringing too much of it up to others.
I'm genuinely rlly sorry to hear that, I had a phase like that in uni and grad school, I'm really happyto see things seem to have gotten a lil better (assuming by your display name)

I think I have my answer from this thread, may or may not post an update when I submit about how I ended up handling things <3
 
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While it is best to withhold that specific detail in your application, since this is an important aspect of your uprbrining and personal story, maybe talk about the other difficulties that surrounded that moment in your life. How did you budget your expenses, what are things you learned/observed during this time. There are plenty of things to talk about within that experience that don't require you to disclose more sensitive subjects on your application. Just from what you have shared, it sounds like you are a very strong and driven individual. There is a lot about your experience and character that admissions teams would jump at! Good luck on your application, you are gonna rock it 🙂
 
Hi all, as a coda to this discussion, I ended up submitting with a different narrative, I decided that focusing on that particular period of my life might make it more difficult to not mention sex work if I am offered an interview at this university and decided it might be best to focus on other aspects of 'distance travelled'.

thanks all for your help, hopefully it pays off well : )
 
Yeah - it isn't something that I would think you would benefit from. Talk instead about growing up poor and having to work difficult/dangerous jobs in order to get by, but don't mention sex work. If you were trafficked it might be different. If you had to pay for your sister's lifesaving cancer treatment like that...it might be heartwarming and might be a signal of poor boundaries. Also - you have a neck tattoo; I'd advise only breaking one rule at a time. The exception might be if you are a platinum-grade rock star applicant OR a fairly marginal one and are swinging for the fences either way.
 
Lets put this another way. Sex work is illegal in most locations. Would you write about how you were a bank robber or drug dealer?

OP never stated whether she was located in one of the places where it was legal (Nevada) so that's an assumption and rather significant comparison to a violent crime (bank robbery) on your part. Is it likely it was in one of the places it's illegal? Probably. But is sex work comparable in morality to bank robbery? I don't think most people would agree unless maybe you're a crazy evangelical.

I still think OP shouldn't disclose. Not for the illegality, but for the stigma associated with the activity. Most (all?) of us would likely advise the same if OP had disclosed she had done OnlyFans or some other pornographic activity to survive, even though that's legal.
 
OP never stated whether she was located in one of the places where it was legal (Nevada) so that's an assumption and rather significant comparison to a violent crime (bank robbery) on your part. Is it likely it was in one of the places it's illegal? Probably. But is sex work comparable in morality to bank robbery? I don't think most people would agree unless maybe you're a crazy evangelical.

I still think OP shouldn't disclose. Not for the illegality, but for the stigma associated with the activity. Most (all?) of us would likely advise the same if OP had disclosed she had done OnlyFans or some other pornographic activity to survive, even though that's legal.
Agreed - unless she had done so in order to save her life or that of another. Then it could go either way.
 
OP never stated whether she was located in one of the places where it was legal (Nevada) so that's an assumption and rather significant comparison to a violent crime (bank robbery) on your part. Is it likely it was in one of the places it's illegal? Probably. But is sex work comparable in morality to bank robbery? I don't think most people would agree unless maybe you're a crazy evangelical.

I still think OP shouldn't disclose. Not for the illegality, but for the stigma associated with the activity. Most (all?) of us would likely advise the same if OP had disclosed she had done OnlyFans or some other pornographic activity to survive, even though that's legal.

By all means, write about it then....... It's illegal in most places and it's a controversial topic. Why would you want to take that chance? It's certainly not going to help your application.



But is sex work comparable in morality to bank robbery? I don't think most people would agree unless maybe you're a crazy evangelical.

Who says all bank robbery is violent (think sweeps fraud)? There doesn't have to be a moral equivalent. Breaking the law at all (some schools even ask for misdemeanors) or engaging in grey area activities is an indication of where you stand with regards to rules and regulations. Both of which are important to adcoms comparing a slew of strong candidates.
 
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By all means, write about it then....... It's illegal in most places and it's a controversial topic. Why would you want to take that chance? It's certainly not going to help your application.

Who says all bank robbery is violent (think sweeps fraud)? There doesn't have to be a moral equivalent. Breaking the law at all (some schools even ask for misdemeanors) or engaging in grey area activities is an indication of where you stand with regards to rules and regulations. Both of which are important to adcoms comparing a slew of strong candidates.

If you read my replies to the OP and other post, you would see in both. I said OP should NOT write about it.

You're going to have to define what sweeps fraud is for me, because most bank robberies I know (besides the ones that involve breaking in after hours), involve the threat of violence or actual violence. And are felonies.

I'm not an ADCOM, but if OP had received a misdemeanor for her activities (there is a trend in many jurisdictions for decriminalization overall for sex work), I would certainly view it in a different light compared to a conviction for violent crime or some kind of theft/fraud.

Yes, do you have any criminal conviction misdemeanor and above is a standard question on your AMCAS application IIRC. Some schools even go even further and ask more extensive questions on arrests. How a school interprets the answer is up to them. Implying that a school views every criminal conviction in an equal light flies in the face of common sense.

This is all a moot point as OP is not going to disclose her background and she doesn't have a criminal conviction anyway.
 
This is all a moot point as OP is not going to disclose her background and she doesn't have a criminal conviction anyway.

At this point, it's more informational in the general sense for folks who were curious enough to read this thread. The current process is extremely competitive, where how you write about your volunteer work helping underserved, compared to how someone else wrote about their underserved work can make the difference in terms of getting an II and A. So there is simply no room for grey areas. If you have doubts about including something, it's probably not a good idea.
 
Hi all, I hadn’t really planned to respond to this thread again, but I think there are some points I’d like to add my personal perspective on. This is just me and I’m just one person : )

If you were trafficked it might be different. If you had to pay for your sister's lifesaving cancer treatment like that...it might be heartwarming and might be a signal of poor boundaries.

Agreed - unless she had done so in order to save her life or that of another.
I understand where you’re coming from and that the specific circumstances around sex work are often nebulous, I just wanted to throw out there that in my personal experience full service work is coercive in nearly all cases. I see very little distinction between the social threat of starvation/homelessness and an individual threat of violence. I believe both of those should be understood as r*pe.

That may be a contested take and I understand it is not the typical understanding, it’s jut my thoughts. : )

That said, your point about the way either story will read to a typical faculty of medicine is well taken!

Let’s put this another way. Sex work is illegal in most locations. Would you write about how you were a bank robber or drug dealer?
I take exception to a couple of implications here, but the primary one is that this implies a person who sells their body is to be understood as a perpetrator of harm rather than a survivor of systemic sexual violence. I think it is empathetic and also largely socially agreed upon that selling one’s body is not on a level moral footing with bank robbery or selling drugs (another crime i believe is socially viewed with a level of stigma that reflects systematic bias but that’s neither here nor there.)

Breaking the law at all (some schools even ask for misdemeanors) or engaging in grey area activities is an indication of where you stand with regards to rules and regulations.
To be entirely clear, this is where I stand with regards to rules and regulations: When the rule is that a sixteen year old girl without a family must sleep on the street with no way to keep herself safe that rule is wrong and should be broken.

By all means, write about it then....... It's illegal in most places and it's a controversial topic. Why would you want to take that chance? It's certainly not going to help your application.
I think this tone is needlessly combative, and I don’t particularly appreciate it.

I would certainly view it in a different light compared to a conviction for violent crime or some kind of theft/fraud.
I understand where you are coming from and I do agree that these are substantially different moral acts, but as a person who is an advocate for the rights of the convicted I just want to throw out there that a debt to society that has already been paid should be considered settled. Human beings are capable of change and I count myself as proof. Nobody reading this thread is, in their essence, different from anyone convicted of any crime. The capacity to commit harm exists within all of us and is brought out largely by circumstance. This is mainly me making the point that we as a society need to be more compassionate and far slower to “throw away” people who have done wrong. : )

At this point, it's more informational in the general sense for folks who were curious enough to read this thread.
I am a specific real person who asked a specific question. I’d prefer for my life not to held up as some kind of example good or bad.

Sorry to take such a tone, I hope I’m not coming across to harshly. I just thought it might be appropriate to share my perspective! : )
 
I think this tone is needlessly combative, and I don’t particularly appreciate it.


I am a specific real person who asked a specific question. I’d prefer for my life not to held up as some kind of example good or bad.
These were directed responses (with the appropriate quote) to other replies.

To be entirely clear, this is where I stand with regards to rules and regulations: When the rule is that a sixteen year old girl without a family must sleep on the street with no way to keep herself safe that rule is wrong and should be broken.
This is why it's not a good topic to write about.

What would you do if you have a patient that can easily be saved by a blood transfusion but due to religious beliefs won't take one and if they did, would be ostracized by their community? These are questions that can and have been asked during interviews. Who wouldn't want to save someone, especially if it's simple and easy?
 
I think this discussion is no longer productive. I got the answer I was looking for!! : )
 
There is a secondary that specifically asks for “adversities, challenges, and/or marginalized experiences” that I have experienced based on my life path.

Based on the narrative I am presenting in my application to this school it would be relevant to mention that for a period of my life many years ago I did sex work in order to survive.

This is not mentioned or referenced at all elsewhere in my application. Would this be appropriate to mention as it was years ago and there is no existing record of it and is relevant to my application narrative or would it be a red flag?
Absolutely not. Most people equate sex work to prostitution which isn’t legal. Illegal activities are a red flag on applications. There’s no positive benefit to even mentioning it on your application nor will it endear you to anyone in the medical space given how important it is to not have a tendency towards illegal activities as a doctor. It’s similar to selling drugs to survive being mentioned in an application. No one is going to look on it positively.
 
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Best of luck! You are very articulate and seem like a strong advocate, with exceptional insight. I hope to see your application at my school!
that’s really kind of you to say! perhaps you will but hopefully we will not recognize each other haha : )
 
Surviving on your own at age 16 can mean making choices that you wouldn’t make at an older age with a more mature outlook and more options open to you. If we can forgive a serious IA when the applicant shows growth and learning, we can certainly forgive what you did to survive. I am certain there are persons here who have gotten into medical school with more severe “offenses”. I hope a couple of them will offer their advice here.
 
Hi all, I hadn’t really planned to respond to this thread again, but I think there are some points I’d like to add my personal perspective on. This is just me and I’m just one person : )




I understand where you’re coming from and that the specific circumstances around sex work are often nebulous, I just wanted to throw out there that in my personal experience full service work is coercive in nearly all cases. I see very little distinction between the social threat of starvation/homelessness and an individual threat of violence. I believe both of those should be understood as r*pe.

That may be a contested take and I understand it is not the typical understanding, it’s jut my thoughts. : )

That said, your point about the way either story will read to a typical faculty of medicine is well taken!


I take exception to a couple of implications here, but the primary one is that this implies a person who sells their body is to be understood as a perpetrator of harm rather than a survivor of systemic sexual violence. I think it is empathetic and also largely socially agreed upon that selling one’s body is not on a level moral footing with bank robbery or selling drugs (another crime i believe is socially viewed with a level of stigma that reflects systematic bias but that’s neither here nor there.)


To be entirely clear, this is where I stand with regards to rules and regulations: When the rule is that a sixteen year old girl without a family must sleep on the street with no way to keep herself safe that rule is wrong and should be broken.


I think this tone is needlessly combative, and I don’t particularly appreciate it.


I understand where you are coming from and I do agree that these are substantially different moral acts, but as a person who is an advocate for the rights of the convicted I just want to throw out there that a debt to society that has already been paid should be considered settled. Human beings are capable of change and I count myself as proof. Nobody reading this thread is, in their essence, different from anyone convicted of any crime. The capacity to commit harm exists within all of us and is brought out largely by circumstance. This is mainly me making the point that we as a society need to be more compassionate and far slower to “throw away” people who have done wrong. : )


I am a specific real person who asked a specific question. I’d prefer for my life not to held up as some kind of example good or bad.

Sorry to take such a tone, I hope I’m not coming across to harshly. I just thought it might be appropriate to share my perspective! : )

I just wanted to say your writing is very impressive. Clearly, you’re a thoughtful and highly resilient person. Best of luck with your application. I hope and do think you’ll find a lot of success.
 
Hi all, I hadn’t really planned to respond to this thread again, but I think there are some points I’d like to add my personal perspective on. This is just me and I’m just one person : )




I understand where you’re coming from and that the specific circumstances around sex work are often nebulous, I just wanted to throw out there that in my personal experience full service work is coercive in nearly all cases. I see very little distinction between the social threat of starvation/homelessness and an individual threat of violence. I believe both of those should be understood as r*pe.

That may be a contested take and I understand it is not the typical understanding, it’s jut my thoughts. : )

That said, your point about the way either story will read to a typical faculty of medicine is well taken!


I take exception to a couple of implications here, but the primary one is that this implies a person who sells their body is to be understood as a perpetrator of harm rather than a survivor of systemic sexual violence. I think it is empathetic and also largely socially agreed upon that selling one’s body is not on a level moral footing with bank robbery or selling drugs (another crime i believe is socially viewed with a level of stigma that reflects systematic bias but that’s neither here nor there.)


To be entirely clear, this is where I stand with regards to rules and regulations: When the rule is that a sixteen year old girl without a family must sleep on the street with no way to keep herself safe that rule is wrong and should be broken.


I think this tone is needlessly combative, and I don’t particularly appreciate it.


I understand where you are coming from and I do agree that these are substantially different moral acts, but as a person who is an advocate for the rights of the convicted I just want to throw out there that a debt to society that has already been paid should be considered settled. Human beings are capable of change and I count myself as proof. Nobody reading this thread is, in their essence, different from anyone convicted of any crime. The capacity to commit harm exists within all of us and is brought out largely by circumstance. This is mainly me making the point that we as a society need to be more compassionate and far slower to “throw away” people who have done wrong. : )


I am a specific real person who asked a specific question. I’d prefer for my life not to held up as some kind of example good or bad.

Sorry to take such a tone, I hope I’m not coming across to harshly. I just thought it might be appropriate to share my perspective! : )

While I do personally believe that there can be redemption and that our current criminal justice system needs reformation towards a focus on restoration and less on punitive measures, medical school is a highly competitive environment and there are professional licensing requirements that require medical schools to have realistic view when evaluating criminal records. A most criminal convictions of a violent nature are generally incompatible with a medical license. Any of the criminal convictions of this nature as a physician will also severely jeopardize your likelihood of ever practicing medicine in the future.
 
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While I do personally believe that there can be redemption and that our current criminal justice system needs reformation towards a focus on restoration and less on punitive measures, medical school is a highly competitive environment and there are professional licensing requirements that require medical schools to have realistic view when evaluating criminal records. A most criminal convictions of a violent nature are generally incompatible with a medical license. Any of the criminal convictions of this nature as a physician will also severely jeopardize your likelihood of ever practicing medicine in the future.

Oh I don’t disagree, it is an unfortunate practical consideration that gatekeepers to the practice are discriminatory!

From my perspective the issue lies at the feet of professional licensure organizations and state governments. I doubt the will to treat system-impacted people with dignity will materialize overnight, but I do think it’s important to keep up the fight. Times can change, if it doesn’t start with us then who? : )

(edit: I'm not absolving medical schools of responsibility for perpetuating this discrimination in their admission process, just mentioning that I don't think they are the only or even primary actors responsible)
 
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