DMU DO = DMU DPM?

[AlbinoHawk DO]

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At Western, they quite simply are not. Attrition among our first-year DPM's last year was astronomical. They take most of the same courses that the DO students do.

To be fair, some of the DPMs are brilliant and outperform many of the DO students. But overall, the DPM rate of droupouts and repeats seems significantly higher.

The DPM class at our school is 50 people. Average MCAT is 24 (like LUCOM's DO class). I've heard 14 are repeaters. 5 of the 50 already dropped out from anatomy alone. Another portion is gone after this semester since we finished our second course and you're only allowed to fail 1 class.

 

[Yadster101]

Instead of just speculating here are the attrition facts from DMU (comparing DO to DPM)...Its not THAT much worse for DPM it seems.

http://www.dmu.edu/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Attrition.pdf?v=2014-08-22

 

[hallowmann]

Instead of just speculating here are the attrition facts from DMU (comparing DO to DPM)...Its not THAT much worse for DPM it seems.

http://www.dmu.edu/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Attrition.pdf?v=2014-08-22

Based on that, it seems like final attrition rate is almost triple for the DPM program compared to DO program. Final graduation rate for DO years ranges from 94-99% (mean is like 95-96%) whereas for the DPM its 81-93% (mean is like 86-87%). 14% isn't astronomical (and if I recall correctly, the DO school with the highest attrition rate in the country in the last report had a rate around that), but it is much higher than the DMU DO program.

I think the DPM students have already explained why this is the case though. Some people don't take the programs seriously and they fail out. That's not that different than some of the people that fail out of DO programs.

 

[GUH]

http://dashboard.westernu.edu/oir-charts/index.php?chart=oir-podiatric-medicine-charts

39.5% of the WesternU DPM class of 2013 did not graduate on time.
Make no mistake - it is a very tough program and the attrition rate is high.

 

[NurWollen]

http://dashboard.westernu.edu/oir-charts/index.php?chart=oir-podiatric-medicine-charts

39.5% of the WesternU DPM class of 2013 did not graduate on time.
Make no mistake - it is a very tough program and the attrition rate is high.

Yeah, people falsely equate competitiveness of a program with difficulty of a program. Pod school is easy to get in to, there's no denying that. However, getting through pod school has got to be as hard as getting through med school. It would be like saying that a derm residency must be much harder than a general surgery residency, just because derm is more competitive.

 

[NontradCA]

I dunno. My quality of life hasn't been as high until OMM finished this semester. That 4 hour drain every week and the 3 day cramming for practicals makes a difference.

This is interesting. We do 2 hours a week and Id say on average our students cram for 4 hours before each practical/written. Our fellows even told us a day was fine. I wonder if my school is not prepping us well enough for boards 😕. I definitely feel as if I'm not learning **** when it comes to OMM. Does anyone else feel this way?

 

[Back 5]

This is interesting. We do 2 hours a week and Id say on average our students cram for 4 hours before each practical/written. Our fellows even told us a day was fine. I wonder if my school is not prepping us well enough for boards 😕. I definitely feel as if I'm not learning **** when it comes to OMM. Does anyone else feel this way?

Our OMM written exams were hard. Incredibly specific information was required. The practicals are very straightforward and easy, but the written is where you have to put forth some effort.

 

[SLC]

This is interesting. We do 2 hours a week and Id say on average our students cram for 4 hours before each practical/written. Our fellows even told us a day was fine. I wonder if my school is not prepping us well enough for boards 😕. I definitely feel as if I'm not learning **** when it comes to OMM. Does anyone else feel this way?

This was how my OMM felt; only we had 4 hours per week. If I'm being honest, sometimes I think even our faculty didn't understand what they were trying to teach us.

That being said, I felt like the OMM portion of the COMLEX a went OK; not too difficult. Just focus on sacrum, you need to be able to make the correct diagnosis based on a description of the motion of the sacrum. (Anterior right sacral sulcus, left STL tight, most likely left on left torsion. Etc.) and similar for vertebral dysfunctions. Once you have those down you'll be alright. The main thrust should always be the sciences.

I will say that I screwed up a case real bad on my COMLEX-2 PE because I didn't know a particular technique that I needed to do. Still passed though.

 

[NurWollen]

This is interesting. We do 2 hours a week and Id say on average our students cram for 4 hours before each practical/written. Our fellows even told us a day was fine. I wonder if my school is not prepping us well enough for boards 😕. I definitely feel as if I'm not learning **** when it comes to OMM. Does anyone else feel this way?

I feel the exact same way, though I probably I have myself to blame rather than my school.

 

[NurWollen]

This was how my OMM felt; only we had 4 hours per week. If I'm being honest, sometimes I think even our faculty didn't understand what they were trying to teach us.

That being said, I felt like the OMM portion of the COMLEX a went OK; not too difficult. Just focus on sacrum, you need to be able to make the correct diagnosis based on a description of the motion of the sacrum. (Anterior right sacral sulcus, left STL tight, most likely left on left torsion. Etc.) and similar for vertebral dysfunctions. Once you have those down you'll be alright. The main thrust should always be the sciences.

I will say that I screwed up a case real bad on my COMLEX-2 PE because I didn't know a particular technique that I needed to do. Still passed though.

I've heard that viscerosomatic reflexes are very high yield for COMLEX. Would you agree?

 

[SLC]

I've heard that viscerosomatic reflexes are very high yield for COMLEX. Would you agree?

Mine was so-so. More pelvic(specifically sacral) OMM questions than anything else.