Do AAMC data tables include information on DO schools?

[4AM123]

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Sorry for the poorly worded question. I want to know if data tables, specifically this* one, include information on DO applicants/matriculants. I would assume they don't, as the school-specific data tables do not include osteopathic schools, and AACOMAS is a separate entity from an AAMC, but it is unclear

*https://www.aamc.org/download/321508/data/factstablea23.pdf

 

[JustAUser]

Sorry for the poorly worded question. I want to know if data tables, specifically this* one, include information on DO applicants/matriculants. I would assume they don't, as the school-specific data tables do not include osteopathic schools, and AACOMAS is a separate entity from an AAMC, but it is unclear

*https://www.aamc.org/download/321508/data/factstablea23.pdf

No

This should have it

https://www.aacom.org/docs/default-source/data-and-trends/2019-aacomas-applicant-pool-profile-summary-report.pdf?sfvrsn=23a83a97_6

 

[gyngyn]

No

This should have it

https://www.aacom.org/docs/default-source/data-and-trends/2019-aacomas-applicant-pool-profile-summary-report.pdf?sfvrsn=23a83a97_6

Too bad they don't show matriculants.

 

[4AM123]

Thank you for the responses!

 

[gyngyn]

They do

Matriculants

Is there matriculant data (gpa, MCAT) by school?

 

[DrStephenStrange]

Is there matriculant data (gpa, MCAT) by school?

Technically the Choose DO explorer website do have this data. It's like a watered down MSAR for DO schools.

Become an Osteopathic Medical Doctor

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choosedo.org

 

[gyngyn]

Technically the Choose DO explorer website do have this data. It's like a watered down MSAR for DO schools.

Become an Osteopathic Medical Doctor

Want to know more about why you should consider a career in osteopathic medicine? Start here.

choosedo.org

I still don't see the MCAT or gpa info. Is it behind a pay wall?

 

[StarSpangled]

Is there matriculant data (gpa, MCAT) by school?

@Seihai used his skills and ChooseDo to compile this info into a google sheet:

Hi all,

As discussed in a previous thread (Osteopathic Applicant Rating System?), I have been working on scraping the mean GPA and mean MCAT for all DO schools from ChooseDO's Explorer Tool (Choose DO Explorer Registration - Choose DO).

I have completed the code to scrape the data, and you can find the mean values I found at the Google sheet linked at the end of this post. The sheet is read-only, so you should make your own copy if you want to edit things. If you disseminate the sheet, please do leave the link to this thread intact so that the most recent version is easily accessible from a single location.

Some caveats to keep in mind:

1) I calculated the values with certain tolerances as otherwise the search would take too long (I could get it smaller, and may do so in the future, but this is just a proof of concept).
2) The mean GPA is within a range of 0.005 (that is, the real value is within 0.005 of the value in the sheet).
3) The mean MCAT is within a range of 0.1 (that is, the real value is within 0.1 of the value in the sheet).
4) The data in the sheet is up-to-date as of July 28th, 2019. If you're reading this in the future and want me to update it again, PM me (though whether the data is different from year to year depends on ChooseDO).
5) These are only MEANS. DO schools are known for accepting a wide range of GPA and MCAT scores. ChooseDO does not allow me to scrape the standard deviation of these values, or I'd have also provided a rough 10th and 90th percentile.
6) This has no data for recently-opened schools or schools that aren't on ChooseDO. Please let me know if a school of interest is missing and I'll check to confirm that both of these are the case.
7) There are other subsheets (accessible through the tabs at the bottom of the linked sheet) that have the schools sorted by GPA and MCAT, respectively.

Enjoy. I sincerely hope this information helps in determining what DO schools you might like to apply to and that it hopefully fills a gap that has been missing in most DO data out there.

I plan to continue working on information for DO applications in the future, but let me know if there's anything specific you want to see!

If you have any questions or would like any information from me, feel free to post here or PM me.

Best,
Seihai

Sheet link:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_xNtmrSLYsHidZCOhOt7-9DDV9F6Qcfynbnx2T9t-ok/edit?usp=sharing

Sheet (for some reason, SDN auto-embeds it, so use the link above to navigate to it directly for better viewing):





EDIT History
28 July 2019: Made ranges narrower after figuring out how to make searching/filtering more efficient. Tolerances narrowed from 0.01 and 0.5 to 0.005 and 0.1 for GPA and MCAT, respectively. Sheet link remains the same. Also added sheets where schools are sorted by GPA and MCAT.

 

[Seihai]

@Seihai used his skills and ChooseDo to compile this info into a google sheet:

Here's a link to the thread itself: Mean MCAT and Mean GPAs for all DO Schools (scraped from ChooseDO)

I still don't see the MCAT or gpa info. Is it behind a pay wall?

The MCAT/GPA info isn't behind a paywall - it's just not visible for whatever reason. However, you can "filter" by mean MCAT and mean GPA to remove schools as their numbers don't match the filter. There is no other way (apparently) to get the GPA/MCAT data.

To get around this/use this to my advantage, I coded something to automatically query ChooseDO using various filters (basically a sliding window of a GPA ranging from something like 3.405 to 3.410 increasing along the range provided) to see what schools appeared at what range of GPA/MCAT scores. This allowed me to approximate the school's mean GPA and mean MCAT within the tolerance of the sliding window.

I'm not sure why ChooseDO has decided to do it this way - perhaps it is intended to deemphasize differences between schools and to make it seem that lower GPA/MCAT are more competitive? The lack of a standard deviation means that I cannot calculate a 10th-90th percentile, which is really the biggest piece of information I think most people want moreso than GPA/MCAT, but sadly it's just not available.

Also, I made all this under the assumption that ChooseDO's data was accurate - but we don't know that for certain.

 

[DrStephenStrange]

Also there's this on the ATSU-KCOM's website :

Osteopathic Schools Ranked by MCAT

 

[gyngyn]

Also there's this on the ATSU-KCOM's website :

Osteopathic Schools Ranked by MCAT

I wonder how reliable it is.

 

[DrStephenStrange]

I wonder how reliable it is.

I have no idea, but they update it almost every year.

 

[Seihai]

Also there's this on the ATSU-KCOM's website :

Osteopathic Schools Ranked by MCAT

I wonder how reliable it is.

Interesting - the list seems to match up with my scraped data for some schools but not others - for example, they put NOVA much higher than ChooseDO did; they gave NOVA a 506 MCAT but ChooseDO's puts NOVA at a 504.6 or so. They also gave AZCOM a 505 (fairly average), but ChooseDO puts AZCOM at a 508 (second highest of all DO schools). I wonder how much of each is self-reported versus actual collected data. ChooseDO purports to have AACOMAS data, but another DO school might theoretically have access to the same data.

In general, it seems that ATSU-KCOM generally underestimates the means compared to mine (it could be that ATSU-KCOM removes outliers like those with low GPA/high MCAT but not ChooseDO).

 

[gyngyn]

Interesting - the list seems to match up with my scraped data for some schools but not others - for example, they put NOVA much higher than ChooseDO did; they gave NOVA a 506 MCAT but ChooseDO's puts NOVA at a 504.6 or so. They also gave AZCOM a 505 (fairly average), but ChooseDO puts AZCOM at a 508 (second highest of all DO schools). I wonder how much of each is self-reported versus actual collected data. ChooseDO purports to have AACOMAS data, but another DO school might theoretically have access to the same data.

In general, it seems that ATSU-KCOM generally underestimates the means compared to mine (it could be that ATSU-KCOM removes outliers like those with low GPA/high MCAT but not ChooseDO).

My point, exactly. If the MSAR relied on self-reported "data," it wouldn't be any more reliable than US Snooze.

 

[Seihai]

My point, exactly. If the MSAR relied on self-reported "data," it wouldn't be any more reliable than US Snooze.

ChooseDO purports to be copyrighted by AACOMAS --

I personally would trust ChooseDO more, but the fact that the raw data isn't available anywhere is suspect and the fact that the 10th-90th percentiles are essentially in the void makes me wonder how valuable the means even are (since outliers would almost certainly skew the data quite a bit in either direction).